Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[Light Ethos]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I'm sure you have a reason for saying that this is the scummiest post, but I'd like to know what it is. I don't see how this can be construed as alignment indicative either way.

[Flavor Leaf]

So far I think that you and Naomi just had a miscommunication, she misunderstood your interaction with me.
I could be wrong but she didn't ping me so far

She definitely did, which was the basis of her scum lean on me, but I can see that happening from ScumNaomi, and then just got an out when she realized she wouldn’t win the 1v1.

I’ll lay down on the tunnel, but I still Red there.

Although, I’ll bring up stuff when I see stuff of note, but that goes for everyone.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can appreciate a good Krazy vote right now.

I don’t think Krazy is scum however, but I see why people would think that, and I don’t find it scummy to vote there right now.

(Hint: I’m definitely wanting to see who votes Krazy)

(Second Hint: I’m definitely wanting to see who does what now after I gave that hint.)

[Saudade]

can you vote Frank now

[Saudade]

I would never fail you Leaf

[Krazy]

I lean scum on Krazy for fishing for power-roles in the Neighborhood chat according to Dough and Crimson.

Spoiler: Krazy rambling angrily to himself

It was a joke to me because I just played a 300 pages game with a 4 person neighborhood consisting of 4/6 of the town power roles in a 25 player game. That game (in part) revolved around a Universal Backup being joined into the neighborhood with a Friendly Neighbor which converted the neighborhood into a masonry. That game was extremely exhausting and I spent one significant dayphase FoSing the universal backup-turned-neighbor, so being in a neighborhood now just seemed like a joke after that. It wasn't something that was supposed to make sense, it wasn't funny (to Dough), but it was supposed to be a way to break the ice so I could talk about my experience with neighborhoods and how even though you might not THINK of them as TPRs they MECHANICALLY ARE which is exactly the point I wanted to explain to him and why I was starting with that icebreaker.

Now, ramble aside, why did you include Crimson there? He is not in the Neighborhood and he basically agreed that Dough responded in a 'not great' manner to my icebreaker.

[profii]

So far I think that you and Naomi just had a miscommunication, she misunderstood your interaction with me.
I could be wrong but she didn't ping me so far

This is my take on that too.

conflict = townier...

Scum lurking ?

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I’d like a little more here, I feel. I’m in catchup mode right now.

Getting to the most current posts now.

avoiding contributing

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

scummiest post

VOTE: light ethos

I'm sure you have a reason for saying that this is the scummiest post, but I'd like to know what it is. I don't see how this can be construed as alignment indicative either way.

clues above

[RockyHorror]

Mod, replace out please

Sorry, responsibilities have changed for me at work and I now only have time for one game at the moment - I'm already in another one and I can tell this one is going to be too much for me to keep up with as well.

Best of luck everyone.

[FrankJaeger]

as to my previous statement
VOTE: FrankJaeger
congratulations

can you vote Frank now

Krazy vote is a good one too. Not as good as a Frank vote, but it's up there.

Oh Naomi, bad vote.
switch to Frank

as to my previous statement
VOTE: FrankJaeger
congratulations

Flavor read @ Frank's iso
tell me what you think there

Your whole ISO is pretty terrible too so I'm okay with this

Nothing here is swaying my opinion on this dude.
OMGUS vote then crying for help the rest of the way.

If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

1)He doesnt explain how "shaking him a bit" would help differentiate townmanatee vs scummanatee.

2) how is it particularly useful here, when by his words, "hes scummy as both town and scum"?

I would just like an elaboration.

@Saudade

How was the statement clear? Im not saying it was necessarily scummy, but it left alot to be desired.

what it seemed obvious to me is that he's voted his fellow man in order to get him to express himself more, because the player is known (to him) to exhibit scum traits as either alignment so he would need extra info/data from him through self expression to make a more accurate decision on whether hes scum or town.

This...doesnt explain anything.

Absolutely does!!!

Doughboi, flavor flav town pile.

Krazy too I guess just for the neighbor thing.

W K!

so nobody else is going to vote Krazy?

Can somebody explain why town Krazy asks that as his first game related question? He could have literally asked anything else. What am I missing?

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?.

Not really alot of content to go from, and I feel unless he does more to look scummy, its smarter to focus elsewhere.
I understand your perspective, if that helps lol.

Alarm bells!

Why does him being neighbor make him a higher chance of being town? My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum. Though I’m used to 3 people. Like why not just do masons if we are both town? This is a normal game right? I feel like neighbors with both town is kindness of trickery.

Anyways. I’ll leave my vote on him for now. I don’t see much from him in the game so far. At best he’s null

No I agree, but at least 1 of you is town, and im staying away from it.
I actually thought about the mason thing, and i think it hints there may be other neighborhoods.

But i suck at set up spec and generally try to stay away from that too.

TMI?

1- it doesnt explain anything but the obvious. I know WHY it was done. Im interested in the HOW it works

2- idk what W K means but my point is they wouldnt put 2 scum in a neighborhood. So the safe bet D1 is to assume they are both town.

3- Alarm bells...

4- Unless youre hinting at something, this is another point of yours im not grasping

[FrankJaeger]

FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

[Naomi-Tan]

On the Saudade vs Doughboy thing; in 95 I said he was dumb town and he only confirmed it immediately in 96 with the roleclaim. I just touch wanna touch on it. I just find he got triggered way too easily, though asking to replace was a little too far.

I actually think Naomi is scum, though. Rather strong scum, she just didn’t expect me to be able to fight back.

The fact no one joined in actually lends me to believe she’s scum even more, which i could see Frank also fitting the bill as being a scum who helped derail it in that case, actually...

That’s a pre flip, though

Its strange to me that no one joined either of our trains.. if we had kept pushing on each other it would of resulted in one of us flipping green and then the next day they could flip the pressure and knocked us both out. It feels really strange that our train was basically ignored by everyone else.

[Naomi-Tan]

Still in the midst of reading what happened yesterday evening, but so far I'm leaning town on FlavorLeaf for the emphatic, well-substantiated defense halfway through the thread. Scum would do this too, but my gut tells me it's town. I also town-read Naomi-Tan for Post #95. I have Saudade as town-lean for Post #199.

I lean scum on Krazy for fishing for power-roles in the Neighborhood chat according to Dough and Crimson. I don't see how that would be more beneficial for town to know than for mafia to know, and Neighbors aren't any more likely to be town than scum unless the Mod decides that they are. Maybe it really was just an attempt to break the ice, as Krazy claims. I don't think that question is a good way to go about breaking the ice. There is also asymmetry between joking about asking if someone is a power role and joking about asking if someone is mafia. Nobody is going to answer yes to the second question. It's unlikely, but there is a nonzero chance of someone answering yes to the first. This really rubs me the wrong way.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Krazy

Full-disclosure: I am still somewhat new to Mafia, so I may have misinterpreted the interactions I linked.

I can appreciate a good Krazy vote right now.

I don’t think Krazy is scum however, but I see why people would think that, and I don’t find it scummy to vote there right now.

(Hint: I’m definitely wanting to see who votes Krazy)

(Second Hint: I’m definitely wanting to see who does what now after I gave that hint.)

Eh.. I dunno how i feel about a krazy train. While I agree it was astronomically dumb to open with that when not confirmed alignment I dunno if its alignment indicative. to me its like the whole thing is just a mess. Could one of you two explain why its a red move and not just a universally shitty move?

[Doughboy]

krazy train

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m green on Krazy rn, but I understand is all. I understand that people would see there red.

[Krazy]

Vote Frank

>skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1

WKing is incorrect characterization; this is defensive play, which is a different strategy but scummy for largely the same reasons. The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.

No reads through iso 8
106, 117, all quick townreads (very passive)

first scumread is 239, iso 20, on Sau

While Saudade himself gave pushback, Doughboy had already started the push on Sau, with an RVS from Horror sitting there as well. Sau was a very safe push, and he did not push very hard even then.

If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

Doesn't seem townie to me.

FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

Why FOS here?

[Nauci]

Mod, replace out please

Sorry, responsibilities have changed for me at work and I now only have time for one game at the moment - I'm already in another one and I can tell this one is going to be too much for me to keep up with as well.

Best of luck everyone.

Acknowledged. Now seeking replacement for RockyHorror.

[Sashaddin]

FOS on white ethos.

What does FOS stand for?

[Naomi-Tan]

FOS on white ethos.

What does FOS stand for?

Finger of Suspicion.

[Naomi-Tan]

FOS on white ethos.

What does FOS stand for?

Finger of Suspicion.

which means They think there suspicious but don't want to vote (either as they are pressuring another party or its not strong enough for them to put there vote down.

[FrankJaeger]

Vote Frank

>skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1

I am voting.

WKing is incorrect characterization; this is defensive play, which is a different strategy but scummy for largely the same reasons. The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.

having town reads before scum reads isnt scummy, sorry

No reads through iso 8
106, 117, all quick townreads (very passive)

first scumread is 239, iso 20, on Sau

While Saudade himself gave pushback, Doughboy had already started the push on Sau, with an RVS from Horror sitting there as well. Sau was a very safe push, and he did not push very hard even then.

what do you mean safe push?

If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

Doesn't seem townie to me.

Sauds play is questionable here. If you disagree let's talk about it

FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

Why FOS here?

why repeat myself?

[Krazy]

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

[Nauci]

The Worst replaces RockyHorror. Please Welcome The Worst

[Krazy]

Dear god

[Pernicious Parrot]

Sorry, I can't read and post frequently due to responsibilities. Reading ISOs now and forming reads.