NY 215: HMS Erebus - Game Over!

Io · Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:56 am

It's kind of iffy honestly.
The whole saying that you don't believe a claim isn't too strong of a point for an AI argument.
There's good reason for both town and mafia to want to want to lynch/not lynch any particular claimant.
From a town's perspective pushing someone for being scummy even if they claim a powerful town role like Vigilante is not something is is unreasonable.
Then the mafia can really go either way with it as they can probably safely assume it's just Maifa v Town with how small of a setup it is. If it's not then it'd be an SK and they'd have equally as valid a reason to want to lynch an SK faking Vigilante.
They could just push the Vigilante claim to try and make sure they don't have to worry about getting night killed, or they could just back off knowing that they are town.

See what I mean though?
It's not really a good argument to say someone is scum just for pushing a power role claim.
There's also other factors like a Town Doctor might try and push to lynch someone claiming to be a Town Jailkeeper as a Mafia Roleblocker or something.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:56 am

In post 1174, Completly Trustworthy wrote:GE, what's your opinion of Performer now? You voted him in 1087, but then voted who he was scumreading in 1172. What did he do that changed your read of him?

I think he’s probably town for the point he presented

Completly Trustworthy · Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:21 am

I also think that making the push against Akarin seems towny, not because I agree that her behavior is scummy, but because it shows he is actively trying to sort others. It would be easy for him to only focus on getting someone else lynched and therefore saving himself, but he's instead describing how his reads are changing and trying to engage others. I previously scumread Scioness because I thought she wasn't taking many stances and was just throwing a few comments out to make it seem as if she was scumhunting while not actually doing it. Performer has changed that by being open about his opinions and having a more active presence in the game. In light of this, the people who are voting him while talking about all the things Scion did like Purrcocet seem to have thin justification for their votes. I think their reads should have evolved and the fact that they haven't make them seem artificial. Also, I would like an explanation from Nos as to what he meant in 1151 by I'll trust, I didn't understand what he was saying.

Performer · Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:24 pm

@Io yes I think I see what you mean. As town I’ve always operated with the approach that it’s too risky to scumread a claimed pr on d1. Even if someone were to say they’re a tracker and I’m the actual tracker, I think it’s best to be super secretive and hold off until d2 for a push. I saw so many cases in games where someone was an actual cop who counterclaimed a scum fakeclaim, but it ended up poorly for town – on d1. In any case, I approach games with a “play as if you’re vt no matter what” regardless of I’m vt or if I’m pr. That way if I end up dying, which is apparent in this case, I at least contributed as much as I can.

I really appreciate your explanation.
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@ct yeah scion has a very different playstyle than me.

Saudade · Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:51 pm

In post 1100, Lapsa wrote:@Saudade will you hammer when Mala reaches L-1?

only one way to find out

Malakittens · Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:21 pm

How about we not

Io · Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:33 pm

Alternative opinion

How about we do

Saudade · Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:19 pm

anyone at L-1 yet
my hands are getting itchy

Saudade · Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:20 pm

[votte]IO[/////vote]
HAMMMERRRRR

Malakittens · Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:36 pm

I'm like 99% positive perf flipping scum.

Saudade · Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:36 pm

is he at L-1

Purrcocet · Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:40 pm

Ct idk what u be saying sometimes

there have been at least two one line occasions where i have stated my opinion on performers posts
and it is not good

u guys have literally thrown this game to the wolves

Saudade · Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:41 pm

I think what this game needs is a strong charismatic leader like myself

Saudade · Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:42 pm

but you choose not to listen to me

Malakittens · Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:47 pm

l-2 i think

Garmr · Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:59 pm

I'm happy with both tbh i'll hammer if performer is l-1

davesaz · Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:27 pm

From the vote counter (not verified for accuracy). Both are L-3

Performer(5)

~ tictac(38), Purrcocet(55), davesaz(106), Malakittens(56), Nosferatu(121)

Malakittens(5)

~ Completly Trustworthy(69), Lapsa(87), Io(114), Garmr(65), Performer(74)

Purrcocet(1)

~ Hugo Stiglitz(22)

davesaz(1)

~ Akarin(34)

Completly Trustworthy(1)

~ Saudade(125)

Akarin(1)

~ Gamma Emerald(166)

Not Voting (1): popopopopopopo(30)

Malakittens · Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:34 pm

Oh right because gamma hopped off. Possible scum if Perf flips; then go to maybe Garmr

Garmr · Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:39 pm

In post 1192, Malakittens wrote:Oh right because gamma hopped off. Possible scum if Perf flips; then go to maybe Garmr

When you're salty I scum read you

Malakittens · Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:26 pm

Nosferatu · Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:43 pm

sometimes i want ct to flip just to shatter saudes reality

but i fear he might never recover

Saudade · Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:47 pm

if you werent scum buddies you could kill him at night
alas

Nosferatu · Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:50 pm

i dont see how our scum ties are stopping me

scum can nightkill scum right?

Saudade · Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:54 pm

well do me a favour n slit his throat in his sleep

Nosferatu · Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:56 pm

ill ask for that flavour specifically but i cant make promises