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will post catchup some time tomorrow, i have like 3 tests tomorrow that i haven't studied for...
idrc, either name worksIn post 1649, Alonzo wrote:Hello again Korina, or should I call you vex. You have a huge word count here.
only reason why i havent switched over to main is laziness at this point"I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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actually putting off studying to play forum mafia
i have a really bad habit about saying im gonna study only to write this
i don't like this postIn post 1554, the worst wrote:if a vig exists I just trust the vig not to be stupid. if I could hammer I would :p
at all
vig being stupid would mean the vig shoots creature or myself.
i don't see vig shooting you as a sign of them being stupid.
also, the "if i could hammer, i would" feels really weird to me
this part of the post feels wrong to meIn post 1555, ejjinami wrote:Cuz I really doubt I’ll get killed with that many people SRing me
obviously mafia wouldn't nk you because there's better targets, (creature namely), and we all seemed to agree that if vig exists, they shoot tw, not you.
so where does this post even come from?
if it came down to vig deciding between ejji and tw, i think vig would've shot tw first, meaning that ejji shouldn't really be concerned about getting shot regardless.
you certainly can pick fights, people may be less willing to fight with you, and it may be harder, but it's certainly possible.In post 1583, Creature wrote:
Being conftown is hard. I can't pick fights like non-clears do.In post 1581, Vex Vience wrote:you have been, but you're confirmed town. tbh, i kinda expect you to be one of the very top posters, one of the most active people in the game if only because you're modconfirmed town
you just gotta try in the right spots.
so, you'd rather shoot a possible pr versus the confirmed ic as scum?In post 1585, ruru wrote:I think the nk makes sense, it's probably what I would do as scum if I had no strong pr reads
please explain your logic on that one
what are you getting at here creature? you kinda cut off the sentence mid-way through...In post 1590, Creature wrote:
I don't really think.In post 1587, ruru wrote:tw is a valuable scum player
why would you be death-tunneling monkey-boye?In post 1595, Alonzo wrote:I'm town, I was gonna deathtunnel A50 today, so I need to re read and come up with a plan B
and yet my post that said basically the exact same thing as well doesn't? (minus the ruru is town, and somewhat different on scum tpr hunting)In post 1596, the worst wrote:
pings scummyIn post 1567, Enigma wrote:Well initial thoughts are ruru is town based on the last minute unvote.
Interesting turn of night events. No vig maybe, unless duck is BP/traitor (but don't claim vig if so). Also feel like with the NK target, scum were TPR hunting so we could expect they picked a few modifiers?
that doesn't seem right here duckko
im sorryIn post 1599, the worst wrote:
QFTIn post 1590, Creature wrote:
I don't really think.In post 1587, ruru wrote:tw is a valuable scum player
I also have no reason to bus considering nobody here knows my scum meta very well. especially someone who nobody was paying attention to.
but
that's wrong
if no one here knows your scum meta very well, you can get away with a lot
if i am scum (which im not), and i wanted to play to my mains scum meta, i could very easily get away with it until i outed myself.
wanna know why?
because no one knows my meta meaning i can get away with more insane things that i normally wouldnt do only because ik no one can call me on it
you have a reason to bus here
its to try to make it look like you're town considering you said it yourself, "nobody here knows my scum meta very well"
please explain those two naked votes?
i also agree with this postIn post 1607, ruru wrote:also you can't have it both ways: if you want to argue that your interactions with ceejay should clear you, then you can't say that you would never bus him for towncred
i also agree with this postIn post 1608, ruru wrote:like actual clearing interactions are interactions that are unlikely to come from scum because they're {anti-scum, difficult to fake} and I don't see anything like that here
bussing in a game with nightkills and limited town power isn't anti-scum
nothing between you two was difficult to fake; you practically didn't interact with ceejay at all
you said that none of us really know your scum meta thoughIn post 1609, the worst wrote:
it's not my job to hold your hand thru my metaIn post 1601, ruru wrote:In post 1587, ruru wrote:I would really like to see examples of:
a) apathy town tw - which he refused to provide meta of when I asked and this supports the idea of him expecting to just get a free pass for delivering a redflip, which only scum could really be sure would happen
b) sacrificial scum tw - he might choose try to lynch town d1 here as scum but given the scumreads already on him that would probably lead to him never making endgame. I haven't seen sacrificial scum play from tw before, so I'm curious if it's a thing he does at allIn post 1587, ruru wrote:I would really like to see examples of:
a) apathy town tw - which he refused to provide meta of when I asked and this supports the idea of him expecting to just get a free pass for delivering a redflip, which only scum could really be sure would happen
b) sacrificial scum tw - he might choose try to lynch town d1 here as scum but given the scumreads already on him that would probably lead to him never making endgame. I haven't seen sacrificial scum play from tw before, so I'm curious if it's a thing he does at all
you should not trust me to hold your hand thru my meta if you think I'm scum
why would I ever dignify this with a response? address it at someone who knows me better or dive it yourself?
also, meta arguments are shit, they're horrible, don't use them
In post 1613, the worst wrote:I think I'm being stupid again. this is >rand town!ruru it's just an annoying antitown tunnel.
can you please look at this again and tell me you objectively think it makes any sense for me to charge in and bus cjv as his scunbhddy there. I appreciate that I cOuLd Be TeH sCuMz but like maybe ofrhz made a mod error and Creature is scum
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if you keep tunnelling small possibilities were not gonna get anywhere. I'm objectively more likely to be town than scum here by both play and meta and your insisting I cOuLd Be TeH sCuMz is doing like nothing but frustrating me and clogging up the thread
also minor lamisty moment, sue me: if I do get lynched it's gonna steer heat back @ u which is not super beneficial rn fmpovSpoiler:
if ofrhz made a mod error like that, the game would've been re-rolled long ago
ik this is just an example, but it is the worst example you could've made
there is literally no justification to it, and it makes 0 sense
also, you objectively being more likely to be town than scum isn't true.
that's subjective.
your play, at least to me, isn't very townie.
the meta thing, isnt that helpful either. "oh look at my meta, it confirms me as town"
i have to admit, i do find you insisting we look at your meta somewhat townie, but what if your scum meta mimics your town meta? what do we do about that then? just assume that you're town and go along with our day?
im also bringing this up again, you said that we don't really know your scum meta.
that makes a whole lot of a difference here
no i dontIn post 1625, Alonzo wrote:
Just reading the thread through a couple of posts jumped out, namely his sky TR.In post 1602, skitter30 wrote:why were you going to deathtunnel him? ie why were you scumreading him?
But you know... near end of the day.. that post on NM.. you know my policy!!
not really, im not following atmIn post 1645, the worst wrote:D2 begins
my thoughts: quack!
a shiny wagon forms
my thoughts: quack!
I hop on the wagon
my thoughts: quack!
I notice ruru is town and makes a good point about the wagoned player
my thoughts: quack!
I realise the hammer was pretty good and your sketchy L-1 is a lot more scum indicative plus I put ejji as town before you
my thoughts: QUACK QUACK BINCH
hopefully this explains my thought process in a tidy linear fashion
please eli5 this for me, kthx
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i feel like tw is certainly scum, and maybe so is ejji
i keep getting the feeling that ceejay's reads will help us somehow as well
that being said...
VOTE: tw
also, i sent ofrhz ths when he said send in memes
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@ofrhz you forgot my vote :^)
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Tw - do you have a scum game where you posted a lot? I only have the one scumgame to go on and d1 you sort of played to that meta but d2 it's different. Like you're arguing more than I would expect but some of the things you're saying are just so weird.
I find it weird that ruru is able to push tw for bussing cjv which seems rather reachy. Like I don't think tw is obvtown here by any means, but I don't think the way he pushed cjv was scum-indicative. It only makes sense if you go into it thinking 'what would tw do if he repped into a scum slot' it doesn't feel like the correct order of thoughts. Unless ruru genuinenly looks at that and says oh that looks like bussing. If someone other than tw did the same thing would you also think they're bussing ruru? At least then I could understand. Just feels like an awkward attempt at bussing and if he is as good at it as you say I'd expect a smoother attempt.
Also coming from the same person the gamma tr is weird. You are prone to believing that scum!tw had this elaborate bussing strategy, but don't believe scum!gamma could fake forget his partner? Particularly someone who flaked from the site and wasn't talking much he's easily forgettable for real even.
Enigma seems like he's pushing an agenda/creating nk wifom and he continues to post rvs'y posts like 'first' which is just like... why man? A50 did TR him though. I also still think gamma's play is more in line with his scum meta.
I hypo inno alonzo
I need help sorting tw/ruru, vex/skitter still town, alonzo is town, scum pool for today is {ejj, enigma, gamma}
VOTE: gamma-
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by way of response please see aboveIn post 1653, Vex Vience wrote:i don't like this post
at allok
vig being stupid would mean the vig shoots creature or myself.ok
i don't see vig shooting you as a sign of them being stupid.ok
also, the "if i could hammer, i would" feels really weird to meok
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by way of response please see aboveIn post 1653, Vex Vience wrote:and yet my post that said basically the exact same thing as well doesn't? (minus the ruru is town, and somewhat different on scum tpr hunting)ok
that doesn't seem right here duckkooh?
I found Enigma's wording and timing kinda funny, yours felt fine. it's just you being you-
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Vex scumreading me here is a high form of compliment bc he's ignoring everything suspicious I'm posting and focusing on NAI nonsense.....and me scumhunting? binchhhh
also ofrhz mod error comment was a joke-
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lmao maybeIn post 1655, BuJaber wrote:Tw - do you have a scum game where you posted a lot? I only have the one scumgame to go on and d1 you sort of played to that meta but d2 it's different. Like you're arguing more than I would expect but some of the things you're saying are just so weird.
Try open 733 or earthbound or the newbie game nancy modded or sharing is caring by almost50
going by your question I don't really know what you're looking for? like just high post count as scum? either of those games should be fine, I talk a lot-
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hold on yeahIn post 1659, the worst wrote:
lmao maybeIn post 1655, BuJaber wrote:Tw - do you have a scum game where you posted a lot? I only have the one scumgame to go on and d1 you sort of played to that meta but d2 it's different. Like you're arguing more than I would expect but some of the things you're saying are just so weird.
Try open 733 or earthbound or the newbie game nancy modded or sharing is caring by almost50
going by your question I don't really know what you're looking for? like just high post count as scum? either of those games should be fine, I talk a lot
try open 733, that might be closer to what you're after I think-
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Well you're both wrong then lmaoIn post 1661, Alonzo wrote:@VV
I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)
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lmfao oh you don't know their historyIn post 1661, Alonzo wrote:@VV
I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)
A50 and NM are like, soulmates in a non creepy mafia way. A50 will keep NM around for sheer enjoyment for as long as possible unless it messes w wincon (me too Tbf just to a lesser degree )-
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im getting at that i don't like that this post is really scummy.In post 1656, the worst wrote:
by way of response please see aboveIn post 1653, Vex Vience wrote:i don't like this post
at allok
vig being stupid would mean the vig shoots creature or myself.ok
i don't see vig shooting you as a sign of them being stupid.ok
also, the "if i could hammer, i would" feels really weird to meok
kindly share what the fuck you're angling at?
vig being stupid means vig just randomly shoots, they don't shoot a scumread
the "if i could hammer" post just feels out of place to me.
it doesn't really make sense to me that you'd say that from a town perspective
enigma posted it before i did, and we basically said the same thing.In post 1657, the worst wrote:
by way of response please see aboveIn post 1653, Vex Vience wrote:and yet my post that said basically the exact same thing as well doesn't? (minus the ruru is town, and somewhat different on scum tpr hunting)ok
that doesn't seem right here duckkooh?
I found Enigma's wording and timing kinda funny, yours felt fine. it's just you being you
how is it that one person can say it, and its scummy, and another can, and its perfectly fine?
im focusing on the things i find scummy.In post 1658, the worst wrote:Vex scumreading me here is a high form of compliment bc he's ignoring everything suspicious I'm posting and focusing on NAI nonsense.....and me scumhunting? binchhhh
also ofrhz mod error comment was a joke
also, the mod error thing i brought up only because you tried making a comparison using it
ik nm is just a troll.In post 1664, the worst wrote:
lmfao oh you don't know their historyIn post 1661, Alonzo wrote:@VV
I have a strict Lynch NM policy. A50 unvoting NM and saying I never vote NM is THE singlemost scummy post I think I 'have ever seen. Probably best he's dead, I would have dragged this game waaaay down by now =)
A50 and NM are like, soulmates in a non creepy mafia way. A50 will keep NM around for sheer enjoyment for as long as possible unless it messes w wincon (me too Tbf just to a lesser degree )
that's why im so fine with him getting hung d1."I preach darkness. I don't inspire hope—only shadows. It's up to you to find the light in my words." ~ Charles Lee| Plurality Discussion Thread
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you're projecting your opinions onto my postIn post 1665, Vex Vience wrote:im getting at that i don't like that this post is really scummy.
vig being stupid means vig just randomly shoots, they don't shoot a scumread
the "if i could hammer" post just feels out of place to me.
it doesn't really make sense to me that you'd say that from a town perspective
I'm just saying if there's a vig I hope they shoot sensibly into a lynchpool-
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because you have different wincons?In post 1665, Vex Vience wrote:enigma posted it before i did, and we basically said the same thing.
how is it that one person can say it, and its scummy, and another can, and its perfectly fine?
like if scum and town said different things all the time this game would be very boring
this reads as more intolerant of other playstyles/stances than actually thinking and forming a logical opinion. why the fuck does two people saying a similar thing with different trajectories and different styles mean that they must be the same alignment?-
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okIn post 1665, Vex Vience wrote:im focusing on the things i find scummy.
also, the mod error thing i brought up only because you tried making a comparison using it
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...especially when he reps into a meta scum slotIn post 1665, Vex Vience wrote:ik nm is just a troll.
that's why im so fine with him getting hung d1.
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I'd like to have a mini discussion on this after the game.In post 1669, the worst wrote:
...especially when he reps into a meta scum slotIn post 1665, Vex Vience wrote:ik nm is just a troll.
that's why im so fine with him getting hung d1.
hence why we don't leave him to be vigged by a vig that ~may or may not exist~
I skimmed through your posts in open 733. Looks like there's more to your scum game than what meets the eye.
I think I need to play with you more before I can meta read you.
See in giyga's curse (feels like years ago) you had this air of uncertainty and lack of solid opinions and I would have described you as a shy/passive go-with-the-flow kind of player. A common enough scum technique but also if done well can get away with it undetected. General theme would be 'hiding' from direct attention.
In 733 it seems you were following a more proactive 'point attention elsewhere' technique. Less talking about yourself, more pushing of cases, more asking direct questions that don't require you to give opinions yourself but allow you to divert attention onto the person being asked the question.
In terms of post quantity I'd say this game is closer to 733, but content wise I'm not seing a consistent agenda of avoiding the spotlight here. You're neither hiding nor trying to avoid getting into it with people. But I'm not sensing any real motivation to figuring things out either. It reads like that one tired player in every rl game asking everyone "aren't we done yet?"-
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possibly relevant, 733 is the most aggressive I've seen tw as scum733 scum pt wrote:Thank mafiajeebus there's no PRs so I can keep yelling at people
hmm this is interesting, actually this weakens my srtempted to say cjv is our strongest scum play just via being utterly difficult to read. I also didn't factor in that I couldn't immolate as scum this game.-
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so, if you don't want to read my posts, it's a combination of:In post 1655, BuJaber wrote:I find it weird that ruru is able to push tw for bussing cjv which seems rather reachy. Like I don't think tw is obvtown here by any means, but I don't think the way he pushed cjv was scum-indicative. It only makes sense if you go into it thinking 'what would tw do if he repped into a scum slot' it doesn't feel like the correct order of thoughts. Unless ruru genuinenly looks at that and says oh that looks like bussing. If someone other than tw did the same thing would you also think they're bussing ruru? At least then I could understand. Just feels like an awkward attempt at bussing and if he is as good at it as you say I'd expect a smoother attempt.
- sky ellitell
- tw not playing like his town meta
- tw making generally scummy posts
- tw making posts that remind me of his scum meta
- tw making posts that remind me of his bussing meta (results- rather than process-based scumhunting)
- {tw, cj} interactions not being particularly clearing
- cj being a disposable scum slot; if he kept playing like that, he would've earned a pl anyway
- tw being familiar with cj and so he might feel like he's expected to read the slot correctly eventually anyway
none of these things should be taken alone
there's nothing elaborate about bussing d1Also coming from the same person the gamma tr is weird. You are prone to believing that scum!tw had this elaborate bussing strategy, but don't believe scum!gamma could fake forget his partner? Particularly someone who flaked from the site and wasn't talking much he's easily forgettable for real even.
I don't really consider gamma's interactions clearing either for the record, I just think they're less likely to come from a partner and I already have a weak tr on gamma-
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I feel like scum probably wouldn't make these posts together and that the inconsistency in treatment of a scum slot is something scum would be super self-aware about and it's much more likely to come from town who isn't paying much attention to the game and possibly even forgot ceejay and nm were the same slot
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