A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Porkens]

oh im late im late
"scurry scurry"
bonk!

ouch!

!

[Porkens]

Here kitty kitty...

[Porkens]

yawwwwwnnn sure is a sleepy day...

[Porkens]

I am error

[Porkens]

It's a secret to everyone

[Porkens]

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO.

I NEED TP FOR MY BUBGHOLE

^

I feel like there's far too many players with their heads in the sand here

Sounds about right. Me included.

Not convinced it's actually towny looking content

what content is "not towny" looking? Let's ignore the fake dayvig, like if ppl want to town read me for that fine and if you don't then that's ok. I mean, I could argue "why in the world do you think a fake daykill is AI." but the fake daykill isn't the sum total of my content. So talk to me about it.

Scare quotes, but I kind of want to vote jjh927 for grandstanding.

nero could easily fake the dayvig as scum

Oh sweet child...

k i need some time i got homework to do for now

Thanks for the update.

Vax, I'm thunking you rolled scum here.

Also pretty much everyone (save for a few) have played with me, and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch. Unless you guys are going to provide actual reasons, votes off me please.

I remember you being pretty decent, but maybe things have changed.

yawwwwwnnn sure is a sleepy day...

True, but irrelevant.

Vax, I'm thunking you rolled scum here.
Also pretty much everyone (save for a few) have played with me, and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch. Unless you guys are going to provide actual reasons, votes off me please.

Wtf is this

VOTE: Whemestar

because scum already has scum chat

how do you know that?

When does scum NOT have chat?

because scum already has scum chat

how do you know that?

When don’t they?

If you mean day chat specifically, I have no idea but we had it in heroes - a scum PT, so no need for PMs.

^

scrum.

[Porkens]

@RC can I switch to my alt?

[Porkens]

A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 1
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
You enter the inn and are immediately hailed by several of the patrons.
You respond with a wave and scan the room. The room is filled with
smoke from the torches that line the walls. Oaken tables and chairs
are scattered across the room. You smile as the well-rounded Violet
brushes by you...

(C)onverse with the patrons
(F)lirt with Porkens
(G)et a Room
(H)ear Seth Able The Bard
(R)eturn To Town

Your command, Town? : _

[Porkens]

A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 1 - Flirt with Violet
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Hello adventurer! Do you want to know a secret?

(A)sk to hear the secret
(R)efuse the unsolicited offer and order a drink
(G)o back to the inn

Your command, Town? : _

[Porkens]

A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 1 - Flirt with Violet
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Haha! Fooled you! I'll never tell and I'll never flip

Your reputation with Violet has increased by 1!

(G)o back to the inn

Your command, Town? : _

[Porkens]

I'M BACK and reading this finally. gonna start from first page cause last time I read first 6 pages it was really late

I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

.
Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

OK Serious question: when you say if they are not town it will fail do you mean the gladiate will not happen or that the gladiate will happen and you will get lynched

~Sora

scrum

[Porkens]

vote:Stargazer

stop that

[Porkens]

who seemed forced? sorry

[Porkens]

I'll take some arbitrary, uninformed reads actually. whatchu got?

[Porkens]

A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 1
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Suddenly, the RED DRAGON appears! It's long long tail lashes to and
fro. It's golden eye peers out at you behind a billowing cloud of hot ash

(F)ight the dragon
(R)eturn To Town

Your command, Town? : _

[Porkens]

who seemed forced? sorry

mastina when she was doing self meta and making posts about how role!= alignment to go against people who were saying her role is towny.

~Sora

I dunno I feel like mastina forces it either way.

[Porkens]

Wait where is the lie?

[Porkens]

I'm too tired to follow this

[Porkens]

A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 1
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
You return to the common room late and find Violet asleep on the sofa.

(L)et her sleep
(W)ake her up and help her get to bed
(S)tay up all night and watch over her
(G)et her up and order a drink

Your command, Town? : _

[Porkens]

From town to scum:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

why am I 12?

[Porkens]

From town to scum:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

why am I 12?

idk im a little salty RC put me at 8 myself

what a dirty trick my god

[Porkens]

Sky, you are obvious scum.

[Porkens]

you are saying she is a mislynch?

[Porkens]

Nero I'd like to ask you a few questions if you don't mind.

1. Who else whines about being mislynch bait?

[Porkens]

One of us 4 is scum.

[Porkens]

Are you asking about who did so in this game? Chick, maybe someoneone else. IC?

If you are asking in general terms, then I think both could. Like self-aware town and scum Ateing will both do it.

So you don't think she is scummy?

[Porkens]

the other people posting, Nero

[Porkens]

One of us 4 is scum.

The Oracle rose. As one, the three witches bowed XD

can you explain this read?

pedit: it's not that hard to say Rylai or Sora instead of saying "the other people posting"

~Sora

No offence intended. I can see if it came off that way.

I was lumping Innocent Children in there too.

[Porkens]

One of us 4 is scum.

can you explain this read?



~Sora

Sure! There were 5 players posting: Porkens, Nero, Rylai and Lina, Innocent Children, and Skygazer

And the two conversations were pretty much ignoring each other, so I figure there is at least one scum in those 5 (4 was a miscount).

[Porkens]

Nah you know what, chances are against Martina and Ginnie being scrum together on this wagon. This is fine. VOTE: wh4t

[Porkens]

*mastina sorry my phone didn't know your name

[Porkens]

Am I allowed to guess alts in public?

[Porkens]

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

NOMINATED

for best fake claim.

[Porkens]

It's totally made up of whole cloth. She received nothing.

[Porkens]

now that i know that actions can effect me that wants me to get deserado'd more tbh

I'm going to need mod confirmation that there was moderator error here. Otherwise, you are lying.

VOTE: skygazer

[Porkens]

Porkens can you give me one of your pretty colourful readslists?

Sorry guys still freaking reading. So far:

Wheme, Vecna, Kuroi and porkens are ?
Jjh seems town. Maid can be town today.

Of the lurkers lady angel seems scummy. Same vibe as vax rn.

oh my god how can i resist

[Porkens]

14) Vecna
8) Skygazer

17) Wh4t
13) Whemestar

7) Chickadee
6) Gamma Emerald

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)

12) Porkens

5) Mastina
18) Ginngie

11) Invisibility
16) Vaxkiller

19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu

22) randomidget
21) jjh927
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)

4) Nicorobin
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
15) Lady Angel

[Porkens]

I received a second copy of the video and then a message saying that no errors regarding moderation occured with any messages sent to me.

then this is a lie, right?

[Porkens]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

[Porkens]

actually, that's not a bad list but Vecna as your strongest town read is kinda and nico doesn't really strike me as scummy...just kinda there.

It's kind of a lol - I love his character in this game. If that comes from scum I don't even care.

Nico does just seem kinda there, a little too there if you know what I mean.

[Porkens]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

It would depend on when Chick sent them, a few hours ago, does not imply mod error.

P.edit. Why would RC lie about that?

I don't think he would.

[Porkens]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

It would depend on when Chick sent them, a few hours ago, does not imply mod error.

P.edit. Why would RC lie about that?

I don't think he would.

Why would Skygazer lie about about receiving 5 identical videos?

scum

[Porkens]

Everything was going so well. Paul manafort had been brought to the stand and he had promised to tell all.
But as it happened, her target had not actually been a part of the republican party. He was just a random person ironically wearing a MAGA hat.
Robert Mueller brought piles and piles of evidence indicting trump... but as her target was not trump, none of it reflected on him.
His case dismissed and his credibility shattered, Robert Mueller departed in shame.

Wh4t has left the game. He was

Robert Mueller, Trumpsbane

. He was a Vote Exchanging 1-Shot Desperado.

Spoiler: Role PM

There'll be differences of opinion in just about every intelligence analysis that you make.

Welcome, Wh4t. You are

Robert Mueller, Trumpsbane

. You are a Vote Exchanging 1-Shot Desperado.



Investigation (1-Shot Desperado): Once per game you may declare an investigation on a player. If they are scum, you will dig up dirt on them and they will be immediately dayvigged. If they are not, your credibility will be destroyed and you will be forced to leave the game in shame. This effect cannot be stopped by any bulletproofs or similar effects.
Credibility (Vote Exchanging): If you successfully desperado scum, you will be seen as far more credible than otherwise and will gain another vote. If you fail, your target will be taken more seriously for passing scrutiny and gain a vote instead.

You win when the Mafia have been removed and at least one Townie is still alive.

The day goes on!

Oh my lord
I am shook

[Porkens]

If we ever go to night, pay attention to my posts lol.

[Porkens]

Who did What shoot?

[Porkens]

maybe it was just happening too much

[Porkens]

Mastina is unreadable to me

[Porkens]

This seems like a scum Nero move

[Porkens]

I don't see relevance.

[Porkens]

I think most scum are lurking.

[Porkens]

beatlejuice

[Porkens]

VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:

You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.

How do you know?

[Porkens]

VOTE: titus

[Porkens]

GOD look at this ISO

Spoiler:

No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

Hi. I am warm. Is there a Frozen Angel to warm me up or did you bring cookies?

I don't know which head I'm talking to but hi o/

and jjh there might be mechanical reasons that makes that claim useful for scum and for town

~Sora

I am not going to look at claims for now. I think many fakes could happen. Many real crumbs too. How bout Dem apples for wifom.

You have misunderstood.

The role is not town simply because it is a gladiator. It is town because there is no scum benefit whatsoever out of the mechanical applications of it. There's an argument that it can't even expect to be townread because I am evidently abnormal in thinking that this claim has a very high probability of being town.

I kinda just don't like how you took it at face value which is kinda the wolfy thing to do when approaching posts.
Like the role could have more depth, a JOAT ability, positive utility gained after using the gladiate or something I just can't think of off the top of my head. I think in the last game most of the scum were JOATs and it's not like I am expecting you to actually know that.
It's more that my expectation was to not take the claim at literal face value like the way you did.

+1 It's equally true Mastina could be town and lying about conditions for gladiate or the purpose.

Any role besides innocent child can work for either alignment. My favorite town game I had a really scumsided role allegedly.

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

Not feeling well. Will try catchup later today.

VC please

Chickadee, I don't think pushing you is likely to lead to good results. Like Mastina, let the claims sort themselves.

What difference exists between town who legit SR you and opportunistic scum? Why do you think Vax is the latter?

VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:

You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.

VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:

You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.

wdym flavor ascetic?

Read Stargazer's claim about not receiving an item from Chickadee.

Hey, are people still beating dead horses here? Sorting through the spam to get to legit good posting is hard.

I feel like the majority of the thread is Vecna, just less obvious about it.

VOTE: Stargazer

RC is not likely to include a flavor ascetic.

He'd say something like

On a Plane to Brazil:

You cannot be targeted by X abilities.

There could be a restriction in Chickadee's PM but I find it more likely that you're just scum Stargazer as you automatically accepted Chickadee's claim as true.

How do you know?

Because I have a town PM from RC?

Is this serious?

If FA and me were scum in this game, I’d have replaced out.

No please if you feel like that replace out already. I don't care about your alignment when it's about how not fun you are to play a game with

I said ONE THING about you being scummy and you wrote a novel about it

and YOU KEEP ACCUSING ME OF TUNNELING when I'm the only one voting you and it was only for less than 2 days.

You keep doing this ate shit like it means anything and for some reason, no one else finds your attitude scummy but me

~Sora

+1 Sounds like IC is trying to create a trust tell.

Fixed spoiler on request of Porkens.

[Porkens]

Nero, just read what he types

[Porkens]

and now crickets.

[Porkens]

dayvig: Titus

[Porkens]

What's the difference between me and all the other low posters/lurkers in this game? I don't see anything seperating the case on me from being on any other of them, other than people picking me for some reason.

why me = fry me

[Porkens]

Nero: considering we're at 55 pages and you have three times the amount of posts as me I'm not one of the players who should be worried about "bloating up the thread." Just saying.

For real.

Nero is scummy for pushing this hard on sky

[Porkens]

Sure


Just as a recap for right now, what we've got is:

1. Vecna is trying to tell us something
2. He is incapable of voting
3. The thing he is trying to tell us (see 1.) is that he is the great cornholio
4. He will eventually run out of quotes

What utter horseshit you are scrum together.

[Porkens]

there you finally had the guts to omgus.

that's a laughabel "recap"

jj is translating the fake post restriction so we can "get" it

[Porkens]

there you finally had the guts to omgus.

that's a laughabel "recap"

jj is translating the fake post restriction so we can "get" it

I can see how that would make jjh scum but why Vecna as well?

yeah they are in it together, obviously

[Porkens]

b/c its role madness and town are lurking b/c they have good prs and scum is lurking b/c they are scum and other town are just not playing.

You think town and scum lurk equally when they have good prs?

I really think Nero is scum

[Porkens]

Titus and Nero are both scum.

[Porkens]

LadyAngel lockscum

[Porkens]

GEMERALD scum

[Porkens]

Nos town

[Porkens]

VOTE: pork rind
scummy
1449 bad
pork whats your read on me

you are admitted scum

[Porkens]

NONE of them are OMGUS
You have the right to challenge me if you present evidence.

[Porkens]

can you explain those reads a little more

like why nero-sky felt tvt to you? can you elaborate this a little more? or what about titus and chick are alarming you?

PLEASE KEEP TALKING SO I DON'T HAVE TO

It's more interesting for me to know how you're making your reads.

PLUS THAT WAY I DONT HAVE TO EXPLAIN MINE!

~Sora

Nero vs Sky felt like Town vs Town due to neither of them seemingly have an agenda behind going for each other beyond actually looking for scum, and both of them fairly mutally backing off afterwards as opposed to trying to push it further.

THIS RANDOM BIT OF BEHAVIOR IS SOMEHOW TOWN, NO EXPLANATION

Titus and Chickadee are both mostly gut feelings, but most of titus's posts seem very lacking in terms of actual game content (nowhere near the degree to which Porkens has set his sights upon)

THIS IS JUST A LIE, I HAVE CONTRIBUTED FAR MORE TO THE DISCUSSION THAN TITUS

, and Chickadee sending someone five identical elton john songs is just bizarre.

AND I HAVE NO OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT, "BIZARRE" IS ENOUGH ADJECTIVES FOR YOU

I have an ability that makes mastina claim like a town check on my slot. she claimed she can only target town with gladiate. I have an ability that helps in gladiates. 2+2 = 4

but if you doubt that you can make mastina gladiate my slot to see what will happen. (hint I won't stop or retarct the gladiate and it will happen so day will end with her lynch as a result of this but my ability will be confirmed and if she is telling the truth I'll become ic)

~Sora

Why wouldn't you bring this up when Mastina claimed some 30 pages ago? Also, what do you mean "claim like a town check"?

Read up a bit more:
- Skygazer and Nero felt like Town vs Town while it was still happening
- Porkens has moved up on my scumlist due to having almost no content (his posts so far have ranged from potentially role-playing a cat to creating a choose your own adventure to simply agreeing with other people or even calling himself potentially scum). He doesn't appear to be making even a slight bit of effort to do more than troll the game.
- Titus and Chickadee are both setting off alarms for me, but not enough to hunt them right now. Innocent Children is still my top scumread for blowing up on the other hydra for all the pressure of one vote.
- The fact that you guys are getting information out of vecna is honestly quite amazing

Anyways, VOTE: Innocent Children.

I shall go with my gut here. If she blows up at me over this, I'd encourage other people to follow suit. Town shouldn't care about votes until there's real danger.

No, you’re wrong about that, it was never about the vote, it was about my playstyle but I don’t want to rehash it.

I see. Very well.

UNVOTE:

I do not like the idea of Jjh and Vecna being together and vecna faking it in Porkens's argument, since it appears to be extremely circumstancial, especially since other people have also been able to ask Vecna questions and have him respond as well as the only real reason for his push seeming to be the fact that jjh spelt it out. It does seem like a possible scum push.

VOTE: Porkens

So I bolded the first few for you.

[Porkens]

Titus only started posting after I called out scum for lurking.

[Porkens]

Okay, that makes me rethink my LA tr
Do you think that post ties LA to Titus?

really? damn that was easy.

[Porkens]

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[Porkens]

Okay, that makes me rethink my LA tr
Do you think that post ties LA to Titus?

really? damn that was easy.

Please answer the question

I wasn’t thinking so, what do you see/

[Porkens]

Kurio is scum too

[Porkens]

Have the players are scummy that's not my fault

[Porkens]

Good posts are too hard

[Porkens]

What do you mean? All my posts are good

[Porkens]

What seems to be the trouble officer?

[Porkens]

Seemingly because the scum want me dead?

[Porkens]

@Nero the same could be said for you trying to quell the Vecna stuff. It's a side conversation. I think everyone involved is also doing other things. I don't see any harm.

@jjh I'm invested in the Vecna side convo going on. I'm also curious to see where you're going with it.

The Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presumptions. It is a dialectical method, involving a discussion in which the defense of one point of view is questioned; one participant may lead another to contradict themselves in some way, thus weakening the defender's point. This method is named after the Classical Greek philosopher Socrates and is introduced by him in Plato's Theaetetus as midwifery (maieutics) because it is employed to bring out definitions implicit in the interlocutors' beliefs, or to help them further their understanding.

[Porkens]

I trust Nos’ reads.

im pretty sure i was talking about pork in a different game so...

don't quite do that

Bc we need like 10 more people to lynch someone

So we pl Pork?

i guess you can pl but i think thats flipping town tbh

y?

But you posted that in this thread?

ik but i have several concurrent pork games right now

i got confused

I, on the other hand, FLOUT the theory of multiplicity.

[Porkens]

Kurio is scum too

Why is your scum list seemingly only every single person on your wagon and nobody else?

Seemingly because the scum want me dead?

TBF, I'm not on the Pork wagon. He

MIGHT

be kinda OMGUSing me since at one point I said he's hard to understand and everytime he does call me scum for hilariously bad reasons and I respond he runs away with his curly tail so him being scum that's sniping at me from the sidelines isn't an impossibility. I'm going to feel bad if this is scum but I just feel meh about him.

i guess you can pl but i think thats flipping town tbh

I trust Nos’ reads.

Sheep him then?

Who r we voting?

y no reply Nancy?

You give an inch, I will give a mile. I have been using Nero as a strawman to kick up dust while looking for scum movement.

I have never thought of him seriously as scum.

I use this trick to lure the scum into making really shitty cases against me. I know you are going to ask "WELL WHY ARE THEY SHITTY HUH?!" and this will help explain to you a little bit about shitty cases.

That's your homework.

class dismissed.

[Porkens]

btw Maid Cafe isn’t my

Top Townread

or

Top Scumread

but they are a

Person of Interest

for me rn

VOTE: Maid Cafe

Do people like this wagon or do you want someone else?

I don’t think Pork is scum, so I don’t want to vote there.

VOTE: Maid Cafe

Lynch the lurker.

[Porkens]

and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch

but being lynchbait doesn't mean you can't roll scum.

Pork, its whats prodging today.

Yes.

whats this? a prodge?

when i like first signed up for this i had like so much free time and now i dont but i will again on the 18th so

Translation: I don't have time to play but I have time to sit around and troll with Pork.

You seem a little upset here?

Are you asking about who did so in this game? Chick, maybe someoneone else. IC?

If you are asking in general terms, then I think both could. Like self-aware town and scum Ateing will both do it.

This is why
this is why
this is why you're town

Has Vecna ever faked a post restriction as scum?

Why does it matter?

I mean Stargazer might appreciate Wh4t's meatless posts but I do not.

This is worth looking back at.

pagetop

vote:Ginngie

fuck you bro, I was clearly trying to post the vc on the page top.

votes not moving. i am legit pissed.

Was this pro wrestling?

So there's 4 scum right?

there ARE 4 scum besides you.

you guys, "scum" is non-count.
The plural is "scrum"

Titus is prob scum.

This guy gets it.

i liked Doug

Killer Tofu?

FRESH SEATS, FRESH SEATS. GET YOUR FRESH SEATS FOR THE Lady Angel WAGON RIGHT HERE

.

Also a good wagon

We don’t choose our roles

Didn't we all send in 3 roles? I mean, if you didn't then RC picked for you.


Also its role madness.

My picks were, in order...
The sentience of the universe
A peanut butter and banana sandwich

REDACTED

[Porkens]

ew

[Porkens]

Who's reading?

[Porkens]

Just skim or fake it or whatever

[Porkens]

I just need a liiiiitle more so i can unvote

[Porkens]

I'm voting for you

[Porkens]

but im willing to let you lurk till day two if you can just give me a nugget

[Porkens]

That sounds like you are planing to blow up night 1.

[Porkens]

Now you need to spill the beans and convince me you really are town or I HAVE to try and get you lynched because that is not pro town.

[Porkens]

uh huh.

LYNCH MAID CAFE

[Porkens]

I'm lurking until d2.

[Porkens]

NO FUCK THAT NOT ME LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE LIKE MAYBE MAID WHO DOESN'T CARE IF WE LYNCH HER OMG HOW PROTOWN BETTER VOTE PORKENS BECAUSE HE IS "WEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDD"

[Porkens]

Can someone actually summarize why I'm scum?

I will send something to the first person to do so.

Cuz u said u had scumbuddies!

[Porkens]

Can someone actually summarize why I'm scum?

I will send something to the first person to do so.

Have the players are scummy that's not my fault

Go back through your scum list and ISO them please. I'm curious what happens if you try to town hunt within your scum pool, because your scum pool is seemingly too big.

Gooood that’s so much work. Who should I do first?

[Porkens]

Vecna should live today. I’m intrigued. Chickadee is town I think, so I don’t really care about videos or whatever because I assume everyone is telling the truth any way. Uhhhhh I’ll do a chart tomorrow

[Porkens]

[Porkens]

I think to make town most efficient as possible, we need to form an effective townblock. I know I don’t want Pork and am not sold on Vecna either.

I think we should not exclude players with usually high posting involvement and doing pretty much nothing to advance the gamestate.

idk...how's this as a starting point? I'm a wee bit out of touch with the game.

4) Nicorobin
8) Skygazer
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
15) Lady Angel
22) randomidget


Eliminating people from this list does not mean I town read them. It just means I wouldn't want to lynch them, or find it unlikely they would be the lynch, or just don't read them one way or the other (all in addition to town reads).

4) Nicorobin

11) Invisibility

22) randomidget

12) Porkens

13) Whemestar

8) Skygazer*

15) Lady Angel

10) KuroiXHF

(But I've been mulling over Skygazer+Neroscum in a TFH kind of way)

[Porkens]

I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING INVIS?

[Porkens]

VOTE: nolynch

[Porkens]

VOTE: Kuroi

See what happens when you cross me?

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

what the fuck is going on?

[Porkens]

...

[Porkens]

Pick another Target.

[Porkens]

Sigh. My death will not be instructive.

[Porkens]

Change your vote or I'll explain your role to everyone.

[Porkens]

I am giving you 24 hours to explain why you didn't follow the instructions, or I will re-vote.

I don’t want to trust

[Porkens]

@Vecna, Honorable. Seems legit for now. Haven't slept well in about a week. Don't like being mislead but this feels more like the bulletproof vest kinda lie than the fake a guilty kind of lie.

@Nico/Porkens, Clue us in please. Nico are you claiming a guilty check?

Scum scum scum

[Porkens]

VOTE: Nosferatu

This vote can stay here until Nosferatu explains to me why the vote is there to begin with.

lol i guess its staying there cause fuck this on so many levels my dude

I'm siding with nos here.

[Porkens]

No one scum reads me do they?

[Porkens]

Take care. Pretty scummy tho to duck out at this moment.

[Porkens]

Btw no one is getting anything from me until Monday maybe Tuesday. Having a mini meet while as ummer is visiting me. But I’m vaguely following along.

Ditto

[Porkens]

But u got time to. Run your mouth tho

[Porkens]

‘Nah mean?

VOTE: nosferatu

[Porkens]

oxygen = time

qued

[Porkens]

me replacing into games is completely different from me starting in a game lmfao

I've read this before.

vote nos.

[Porkens]

VOTE: unvote

I can't do this. What is going on?

[Porkens]

VOTE: Porkens

Actually starting to warm up to this

Woah woah woah look asshole, I was there for you when they wanted to string you up 20 pages ago. This is how you repay me?

I guess someone is whispering in your ear.

Who is it?

Let’s lay the blade there.

[Porkens]

But seriously, all I know was that you visited me. Was there supposed to be a specific message?

I did not visit anyone.

[Porkens]

oh sry

[Porkens]

and with the removal of the obv part?

2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina(1)
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer*
10) KuroiXHF(1)
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
22) randomidget

I think these are kinda my town leans.

*her being active elsewhere on the site is really starting to bother me though

(1) I think lurk Mastina is scum Mastina. Not really sure her role really fits into things though. Kuroi just feels there. He feels so robotic. He just has no charisma? Obv if Mastina or Kuroi flip scum the other is too.

Why are you asking about my town reads?

god why am i always #12

[Porkens]

ye i made it to brazil, now i just have to harass some butterflies

verdade?

[Porkens]

Oh and what makes 1 the best....oh

[Porkens]

disregard

[Porkens]

"being an ass"? I defy you to quote me being an ass.

[Porkens]

"being an ass"? I defy you to quote me being an ass.

taking a short mental health break - need to decide if i need to replace out or not but probably no

Take care. Pretty scummy tho to duck out at this moment.

Excuse me? How is that being an "ass"?

[Porkens]

porkens is on my scum list now.
posts lack that town sauce that is homemade.

ffft.

[Porkens]

VOTE: titus

ive been saying this forvery.

[Porkens]

I'd lynch fire

[Porkens]

Ladylynching

[Porkens]

VOTE: firebringer this is pure bullshitting scum trying to buddy town

[Porkens]

(Dodongo Hates Smoke)

[Porkens]

i could see nico scum

[Porkens]

i could see nico scum

jk never mind wrong nico town

[Porkens]

why do u post?

Stop harassing me.

[Porkens]

:'(

[Porkens]

wut?

[Porkens]

kuroi, i have missed u. how you been?

Not bad. Yourself?

why do u post?

Stop harassing me.

This is a game that you voluntarily joined. There is a level of consent to conversation. You can wave it by /outting but since you didn't do it, I think you're just trying to flail.

Excuse me, but why are you defending Firebringer?

[Porkens]

VOTE: Mastina

lets just do this? This seems like scumastina

[Porkens]

Why are we trying to lynch Mastina instead of just waiting for her to replace out or otherwise get force replaced?

because you are her partner thats why

[Porkens]

God this game is boring
VOTE: mastina

Oh, legit scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Porkens]

Question for those of you who are good at mafia:

IF Gamma Emerald flips scum, which I am fairly sure he will, who would the partners be?

[Porkens]

VOTE: Gamma emerald
Meh that last post reminded me why I was okay with you dying

[Porkens]

Traitor.

[Porkens]

WAIT
NIKO, TELL EM.

[Porkens]

Jingle is scum

[Porkens]

jingle is scum

[Porkens]

How to make night?

[Porkens]

mastina is scum you guys

[Porkens]

I refused and got triple voted

[Porkens]

It's jjh/Jingle/Porkens/mastina scumteam.

Didn't you notice how whenever I try to pressure Porkens and/or mastina, jjh is always there to defend them in some way?

I wonder why that is?

OH YEAH WATCH THIS!?!

VOTE: jja

[Porkens]

I refused and got triple voted

What message did you get from RC detailing what the thing was

it was like nico has demanded your role! If you refuse, triplevote!

[Porkens]

what? what? VOTE: unvote

sgoin on?

[Porkens]

oh...

yikes, no. it demanded to know my role, not who I visited.

[Porkens]

I still want to lynch NicoRobin though

Can someone give me a more solid meta rundown of NSG

From my understanding, and a few if NSG's early games, she Obvtowns hard when town. I haven't read her much this game tbh

Not quantifiable

I hate that kind of thing


Be more quantifiable

remember when RC spammed my inbox with youtube videos

that was fun

It could happen again!

oh scumteam

Pour some on a plate and microwave it or better yet sauce pan x-x

sauce pan

Do not microwave sauce pans.

Omfg you KNOW I MEANT A STOVE

DONT MICROWAVE A STOVE

im completely against an NSG lynch (wait is NSG in this game?)

[Porkens]

I don't know if it's the mods' fault

[Porkens]

the op isn't updated b/c our two mods are lazier than the playerlist.

I don't know if it's the mods' fault

Hi Porkens!
Anything to say about the usage of jjh's thingy or mastina/nico shenanigns?

i think jjh is scumsided. Nico seems town to me. Mastina could go either way

[Porkens]

Yep, youa re right. This is scum Varsoon.

VOTE: Varsoon

[Porkens]

creature

[Porkens]

I had an early town read on skygazer.

[Porkens]

I’m not voting for this

[Porkens]

I think the problem isn't using the wrong pronoun but becoming indignant when asked to change behavior.

[Porkens]

VOTE: varsoon

[Porkens]

Jingle is scum too.

[Porkens]

Hey everyone, lynch Varsoon.

[Porkens]

I actually scumread mastina

VOTE: mastina -shiro

-rh

VOTE: mememen

[Porkens]

Do I have to claim?

[Porkens]

Produce get it together people

[Porkens]

Let’s lynch the flashing ducknow

[Porkens]

VOTE: jjduck

I have a guilty on this

[Porkens]

I voted Fire because I felt like it was the most sure lead I had
And why should I be voting mastina?

@Gamma- Because you were yesterday. You also weren't voting Firebringer yesterday, despite having unlimited votes, for the hurtcount. Please explain how they were your most certain read?

@Ari- Ah, you are correct sir. I did misread. I'm still flabbergasted that you're voting for exactly the same reasons as Varsoon, but we can burn that bridge when we get there.

@Meme- That's at least a rational reason, if a bad one. If a wagon is likely to hit scum will you switch?

So scummy post

[Porkens]

Why don’t you scrubs just sheep me

[Porkens]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=10551775#p10551775]Yeah, RC gave me a misleading role. My role says rolecop but I am actually a tracker.[/quote]

that's not how I heard it

[Porkens]

Quote it

[Porkens]

This gladiator strategy is tearing the town apart and the noise it’s making is covering scum. We need a series of quick lunches.

[Porkens]

The first person to explain their top scumread to me in a short, convincing way gets my vote.

Just pageyop it in bold so it’s easy for me to see.

And do it several times.

Or just gin up a wagon and I’ll hammer it 4u

Creature/Martina is a garbage gladiator.

Fire, creature, Nero,

These are lockdown.

[Porkens]

Coalition victory?

[Porkens]

Vote with me! Together we will win the game

[Porkens]

I never reach out as scum. Only devide and distract.

[Porkens]

Oops it’s not bold.

I’ll spam to the next page...

[Porkens]

Jjduck scum

[Porkens]

Hello, I am to drunk from my birthday party to post like I want to.

I'm 30 now, what?

VOTE: Martina

Good evening, I hope to be back tomorrow

Hah this is scum

[Porkens]

ARI CREATURE HI

Hey hey!
Do I need to read 110 pages or is there a quick tl;dr for me?

Great to see you Aristophanes and Creature!

Here's one of the several recent quick summaries of existing claims to get started:

Mastina claims loyal town gladiator
Vecna had an optional post restriction D1 he played out for role related benefits.
Skygazer is/was ascetic
I'm a video vendor. I can vend any time.
Firebringer can give guns????

I can't remember at the moment what else we've covered claim wise.

Ari, I know you know the real identity of both heads of our hydra, so I appreciate you keeping that on the D/L even though you probably replaced into a scum slot

-RH

Hey man, regardless of alignment I would never purposely out alts/hydrae

What makes you think me scum already lol? I just got here!

Scum

[Porkens]

Oh god I’m being pm’d by the mods.

[Porkens]

Oh shut they are gunna ban me for spamming

[Porkens]

I hope they ban me until December tbh

[Porkens]

Gnight

[Porkens]

Creature how sure are you about Mastina?

[Porkens]

NSG is scum b/c she had Titus as dead null and then randomly votes Varsoon without explaining why or attempting to get a wagon on him. What does scum do when they are getting scum read? Vote their buddy. This also makes me think that the whole Varsoon thing was a planned bus all along.

Now sheep me Pork.

Who are you voting for?

[Porkens]

Jingle I’m gunna trust jingle

[Porkens]

Blah blah blah

[Porkens]

Why

[Porkens]

VOTE: mastina

[Porkens]

V/LA again for a couple weeks.

I literally can't right now.

I'll pop in when I can, but that won't be often.

Scum

[Porkens]

LYNCH LYNCH WHY ARENT WE LYNCHING

[Porkens]

wtf is this gtame doing? why has it ground to a halt?

lets form a lynch mob

[Porkens]

23) Shoshin

2) Northsidegal Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)

4) Nicorobin

6) Gamma Emerald

12) Porkens

13) Whemestar

20) Nosferatu Creature

19) Nero Cain

15) Lady Angel

14) Vecna

----9 = MAJORITY---

5) Mastina
10) Adelbert Steiner KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
22) randomidget Aristophanes
18) Ginngie Jingle

1) The MEME Men Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)

3) Firebringer Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)

21) jjh927

NOW STOP TALKING ABOUT MASTINA AND JUST LYNCH HER

VOTE: Mastina