Open 736: Diffusion of Power - Game Over

[skitter30]

ok

RC
Skitter
Creature
Carcalilly
Almost50
Bujaber
Creativemod1
Implosion

that's the townblock from now on

What if anything here do you have an issue with implo

Besides me obviously

also what's bothering me about this is that it's incredibly ephemeral; like you were just voting implosion and you keep bouncing people in and out of this list

[Music and Mail]

still prob like 80 times out of 100

i really don't think you're town here

If I'm town can I say that you're... pretty dang arrogant for thinking that you can read me that confidently despite your past success record? Like if you're right on me you're claiming to be basically alone in a category of people who successfully confidently scumread me. Is this really your self image of yourself? Like idk dudette.

[Music and Mail]

Anyway, I'm just gonna work myself up as are you.

VOTE: spooghetrioso for now.

[skitter30]

Keep in mind that for the vast majority of people, I'm scum a higher percentage of games they call me town than games where they call me scum. And you are absolutely part of that category. Does knowing that really not give you any hesitance about tunneling me like this?

your'e saying that literally the only game i confidentally townread you was the one you were actually scum in?

not particularly? you were trying to pocket me there so

i literally can't think of a single game where you felt this wrong and like strong-arming lynches and scumreading like all the townie people really besides for the time you forced a 1v1 with math (when you were scum) and other things i can't talk about right now

i play a lot by meta and i don't have anything good to compare this game too; nothing feels similar to this one so i can't really compare past games to here

[skitter30]

still prob like 80 times out of 100

i really don't think you're town here

If I'm town can I say that you're... pretty dang arrogant for thinking that you can read me that confidently despite your past success record? Like if you're right on me you're claiming to be basically alone in a category of people who successfully confidently scumread me. Is this really your self image of yourself? Like idk dudette.

i mean ok? i still think we process that question differently; to me 80% is confident but not 'claiming to be basically alone in a category of people who successfully scumread me' confident

[implosion]

30% is a pretty damn massive exaggeration.

I'm pretty sure I could consistently read you at a rate higher than that without ever looking at a single one of your posts by reading other slots and playing the numbers game.

[implosion]

(probably not much higher but etc)

[Music and Mail]

try it, then.

[implosion]

no thank you.

[Music and Mail]

a lot of people have come along who have professed the ability to read me accurate and they have

universally

failed.

I don't particularly enjoy playing scum anymore but I maintain my scumgame out of a sense of obligation. I would be very happy to get to the point where my scum game becomes actually sortable by someone. but I'm not holding my breath, and I'm not going to commit self sabotage to make that day come faster.

[implosion]

actually thinking about how it works more it probably isn't quite true since the math doesn't let you say "these three slots are 99% town so the chance that slot-i-can't-read is scum is now up to 3 in 9" i think. It's a little subtle.

[Music and Mail]

people have thought of that before but they haven't started, like, actually taking scum games off me.
a lot of people have started derptunneling me in 100% of games though because it's apparently a substitute for being able to actually read me or deal with me sanely.

[skitter30]

honestly i don't think that this percentage convo is super edifying or useful

anyway i'm going to bounce and head to bed; i have a thing tomorrow so prob won't be around till like tomorrow night

[Music and Mail]

it's very edifying for me because it tells me a lot about what your state of mind is, I appreciate that it probably doesn't have any reciprocal benefits.

[implosion]

honestly i don't think that this percentage convo is super edifying or useful

it certainly isn't!

i'm still going to have it at people though

[implosion]

rc if it makes you feel better i put you at a solid 30% chance of being scum atm

[skitter30]

eh that's fair

to me i feel like we're arguing over degrees and like what the definition of 'confident' is; i think it's more useful to talk about the scummy things you've done and why i don't townread you

either way g'night!

[Music and Mail]

congratulations! now in the future when you correctly scumread me no one is going to take your read seriously, and that's the problem with all the people who would deal with my scumgame by trying to lynch me all the time. no one's going to give a shit next time either of you call me scum. scum!me wins every time that you derptunnel my towngame.

[implosion]

no one's going to give a shit next time either of you call me scum.

the thing about giving a 30% scumread is that if I'm wrong, I don't actually lose a large amount of credibility if i call you scum more strongly in a future game.

the flip side is of I'm right, I also don't gain a large amount of credibility.

[skitter30]

how the hell do you have 5x as many posts as me ...?

[Music and Mail]

and that's the beauty of having literally no one that can read me correctly- there's really no rational reason why anyone should listen to you because everyone knows you can't read me.
everyone also knows that everyone else can't read me, so I don't really have effective defenders either, but it's just a soup of apathy towards my slot.

it's enough to keep me alive as scum, but unfortunately as town whenever I'm too scary scum can gang up on me and then I'm out of the picture.

the thing about giving a 30% scumread is that if I'm wrong, I don't actually lose a large amount of credibility if i call you scum more strongly in a future game.

the flip side is of I'm right, I also don't gain a large amount of credibility.

It's enough for me to discredit you in future games as either alignment. which I will do. if you want your read to be taken seriously start correctly townreading me first.
which was the advantage firebringer had, that he usually correctly read me as town so his scumread meant something.

how the hell do you have 5x as many posts as me ...?

because I am trying very hard to find the solution to this game in spite of your best efforts to stymie that.

[Music and Mail]

if I don't play like this I just get inertia lynched generally so I'm required to play the game at an obscene pace and solve it quickly
the pace of my posting is generally directly correlated to how under fire I am in a game.

[implosion]

It's enough for me to discredit you in future games as either alignment. which I will do. if you want your read to be taken seriously start correctly townreading me first.
which was the advantage firebringer had, that he usually correctly read me as town so his scumread meant something.

Again, I appreciate the misleading rhetoric of pretending this game is already flipped with you as town - nicely done. But yeah, I recognize this entire thing is just you being rhetorical, and that's fine. If you are town then a sample size = 1, almost-zilch-above-baseline-level-of-confidence incorrect scumread is ultimately pretty meaningless, and I know you know that. And Idk if I'll really wind up playing enough games with you in a short enough timespan for that sample size to become meaningful.

I'm pretty sure I have like one completed game with you where i was town, that was like 2-3 years ago lol. I went back and looked out of curiosity and actually there's some perhaps sage advice to be gleaned there. You replaced in and I initially misread you as scum (it looks like it was partially a PoE read, and partially an actual play-based scumread) on the day you replaced in, then on that day we lynched a traitor (leaving 1 scum alive) and overnight I correctly read you as town based on associatives from the traitor and I roleblocked the last scum.

[implosion]

also this lovely fuckin' gem of a 2016 quote.

And @rc no hard feelings about anything, it's a game, I don't think it's really worth being hard on oneself over mafia pretty much ever.

[implosion]

I may not always hit scum but I'm usually pretty obvtown.

Which is nice as well

omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg OH MY GOD i am fucking dying