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if rel skitter and korina are all town I can probably solve this. I don't trust korina because I can't think the way he thinks which always leaves me like "this is a wolf right" and after noir I find it really hard to back down from this. so I'm trusting an holistic solve on this; if anyone else thinks they're being Bad and Wrong wrt reading Korina/Vex please lmk and we can resort him together because I can't be bothered solo.
skitter30 I actually think is town. she's exhibited some anti-scum!skitter tendencies which I'm gonna cling to for my own sanity. I'll reassess this later but deal w it
rel i could easily be wrong on so.... wiser heads appreciated. I'll try and sort his preds rather than sorting him for himself but in a vacuum I think he's Just Town-
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also town on Alonzo for fairly intangible reasons but I feel like I have a tendency to get lazy and start scumreading his posting style when I'm deflated as town
if those assumptions are right there's 2 wolves in {ruru, buj, enigma} which I don'tthinkis right but all the same I'll go try and a solve in these curly brackets and see how the cards fall.-
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the reason I'm not telling you my read on irrel right now is that I think it could be a rolefishing questionIn post 2422, the worst wrote:here's a fun self meta question by retaliation.
why does town you refuse to jam with me and blindly tunnel me for this long? I'm gonna be quite candid, I think there are transparent signs that you do not believe that I'm scum anymore literally in the thread. does this come from town you before scum you?
my response to him scumreading you in response to your scummy soft claim is probably more dependent on whether I believe irrel is a pr than anything else-
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It's not a role fishing question. it's an alignment read.-
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Tbh I'm exhausted trying to soft TPR too hard and eat a nightkill so you lazy fuckers don't have to sort me so I'll go try and solve this the good old fashioned way :c-
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just quicklyIn post 44, Enigma wrote:
Even considering that he’s an alt?In post 40, skitter30 wrote:
yeah i agree overallIn post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
anyone who doesn't say enigma is the #1 wolf by end of page 2 is reading the wrong thread-
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it occurred to me that you might be doing this but I'm not very receptive to a50 gambits in the current gamestate (where scum could very well just choose not to shoot a scummy pr read)In post 2430, the worst wrote:Tbh I'm exhausted trying to soft TPR too hard and eat a nightkill so you lazy fuckers don't have to sort me so I'll go try and solve this the good old fashioned way :c-
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Answer the important questions ruru. stop fluffing.-
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In post 2421, the worst wrote:you have no read on me. you're covering your ears and yelling that I'm a wolf. stop being ridiculous, seriously.
do you want to talk about why my 2412 never comes from scum me here or do you want to explain why it comes from scum me here. stop using blanket scumtells or like... tells that work on.... another player? merged with weasel words?In post 2423, the worst wrote:I am not used to seeing the quality of your posting and reads GO DOWN in later day phases. in my experience you've been like a beacon of lucidity; you're meant to make sense when other people don't. (yes, from both scumming against you and sky's jester game to an extent)
You've dropped back to tunnelling and shitposting. You can't keep a stable vote. When asked to explain your reads you squirm.
What's up with you here?In post 2428, ruru wrote:
the reason I'm not telling you my read on irrel right now is that I think it could be a rolefishing questionIn post 2422, the worst wrote:here's a fun self meta question by retaliation.
why does town you refuse to jam with me and blindly tunnel me for this long? I'm gonna be quite candid, I think there are transparent signs that you do not believe that I'm scum anymore literally in the thread. does this come from town you before scum you?
my response to him scumreading you in response to your scummy soft claim is probably more dependent on whether I believe irrel is a pr than anything elseIn post 2429, the worst wrote:It's not a role fishing question. it's an alignment read.
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like i'd like to sort you around you obnoxiously deathtunnelling me so helping w that would be wild
i'd like to sort Rel and your current read on him is very important so helping w that would be wild-
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In post 2357, the worst wrote:
believe me I haven't given the read out easilyIn post 2356, BuJaber wrote:Why are you so sure ruru's town?
I thought you sorted me alreadyIn post 2391, the worst wrote:
Why should I be suspicious of that?In post 2358, BuJaber wrote:I'm not arguing against the read I want to know your reasons if you please.
Because from my pov he's been given a case for you being scum but not really pushing it and like I expect you to be suspicious of him for that.
also sorry to be evasive but ctrl+f of ruru in my iso will probably give a fair bit.
current scumread feels very agenda-y-
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i am very angery with myself for survivalistically hammering gamma right now
day two of this game was really fucking stupid. enigma is a wolf.
i'm sorry but opening the game with "intent to shitpost and grab pagetops" is not towny. it's not tonally towny, it's not laissez-faire, it's not carefree, it's an excuse to prodge. it is dead null at most.
first game related comment I can see (barring setup spec bc he said nothing noteworthy during it) is:
traitor fishing, shortly followed byIn post 77, Enigma wrote:I would be so upset if later this we find out that you weren't joking with this lol
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed byIn post 81, Enigma wrote:
a response to the player who he's traitor fishing, followed byIn post 78, ruru wrote:Suppose you're a scum at L1 and you have to decide what to claim, you have information that town will probably believe n+1 PRs existing, so you claim PR
Why wouldn't scum just fake claim regardless of our discussion, claiming VT doesn't really help them out at L-1 anyways so at least could just take their chances with a CC bait or potentially get away with it?In post 90, Enigma wrote:
Hypothetically yes, but unfortunately town has a tendency to lynch VTs claims and let TPRs get off...In post 87, ruru wrote:If scum really claimed pr every time then town could just confirm themselves by claiming vt
Another thing is that there is very little defence once a TPR is outed in this set up. No docs, watchers, JKs, etc. Bodyguard is less than ideal - i.e. very little to discourage scum NKing TPRs if they CC.
asking someone to explain their read on the player who he's traitor fishing.In post 101, Enigma wrote:
Explain?In post 97, Antihero wrote:i like ruru's entrance
also ....
pedit: sigh
like this is literally either "shitposting w ruru bc ruru is funny" or it's a wolf who smells a traitor and is excited.
someone else please tell me if you feel another motivation to his game entrance here. i know it's page 4 but like game mindsets have a tendency to spew a lot about where a person's at entering the thread so if someone wants to work thru what's going on here without being like "but the woooorst it's only page foooour" i'd be super happy ♥♥-
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derped on quotes, still very very readable
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pretty funny my pred gets flak for this but Engima gets away with itIn post 20, Enigma wrote:
If he steals ma page tops, ima lynch himIn post 18, Vex Vience wrote:im assuming that creature just gets obvtowned early on?
whatever i'm just being salty. other important part of his entrance is incoming:
thanks to vex during setup spec for providing hard figures; not a lot to read into but i'm tryna follow his mindset as below so worth throwing inIn post 41, Enigma wrote:Actually thanks vex that’s quite useful. I was too lazy to look myself, partly because of what you mentioned about mods not flipping on post 0.
What’s interesting is that it’s 15 games, so from glance of numbers the average no of mods per game is quite low.
there's...not really a reason to shade the fact Vex exists here fmpov?In post 44, Enigma wrote:
Even considering that he’s an alt?In post 40, skitter30 wrote:
yeah i agree overallIn post 37, Almost50 wrote:Early *serious* read alert: Vex is likely town. I did the exact same thing (speculating about what scum might have picked) when I played this setup for the first time. It's not a *strong* TR bc there is a scum motive to do it (and I'd really rather not speaking of that right now) but I'd like to think of him as a townie for a starting point.
like the fact he's an alt doesn't really inform my read of vex come p4. the only thing it does for me (knowing he's korina) is suggests i'm prolly gonna reach a net wolfread because i don't know how to get into his head.
the shade throw is wonky. but let's be positive and treat it as a #staywoke moment.
responses incoming
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yee it kinda goes without saying something is missing from enigma's presence in this conversation
like...any intent to sort whatsoever
is fine talking w Vex basically 100% NAI interaction with no intent of sorting, and thenIn post 74, Enigma wrote:
Nah doesn't bother me so much, meta only takes you so far when scumhuntingIn post 73, Vex Vience wrote:also enigma are u just generally against alts?
im getting that feeling from u
Whilst I don't think its super productive, agree with Vex its fine to boot us out of RVS. I wouldn't say its helping scum unless people are literally softclaiming their TPRs, in which case helping scum CC is the least of our worries...In post 67, ruru wrote:I think it's like actively antitown because it informs scum's decision of what to claim
i'm not really vibing that town!igma added the "what if he's an alt!" shade into the Vex conversation and then lolvotes him about 50 posts later. especially when he shows like no active interest in sorting the slot and voteparks this for like a week (ending below)
In post 541, Enigma wrote:1. Don't CC any fake claims
2. Vote for who you want to (hypo) vig with hurt tags
3. Hypo cop results tomorrow
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wrt enigma's claim not to care about early reads all that much...okkkkkk
my pypx/y (town!igma), closer to this game but still owe it a decent analytical read (it's hard when modding :C)
the lab 3 (town!igma), literally worlds apart from what we're seeing here in terms of effort presence energy sorting etc. and that's even with allowing for the fact enigma is a stronger lategame player
revenge of the vengeful (town!igma) only quickly glanced but appears closer to the lab 3 energy-wise--still literally dozens of times more engaged than he is here
^^^ i need to dive this harder to give credence to his self-assessment of not being big on early reads
but rn it reads more like someone who randed wolf and didn't feel like getting the game going
more to follow i need to go work for a bit. someone talk to me about this??
pedit: fucking hell ruru read the post. respond with more than a sentence with a throwaway line.
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actually i think it's non-town indicativeIn post 2441, ruru wrote:rvsing for a week is not scum-indicative for enigma and you know that
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anyway if you disagree just talk to me. if you think there's strong meta against my case point me to it and work thru it with me. if you think i'm just approaching this wrong, tell me why i'm just approaching this wrong.
degrading my attempts to get into enigma's head with "rvsing for a week is not scum-indicative for enigma and you know that" is bullshit. hear me out.-
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where did you get this idea from Engima?In post 1043, Enigma wrote:Duck - Dunno sky was scummy, he might be scum (and he is good at playing scum so I can't figure him yet). Though he is good company so don't mind hanging around with him a few more days though wouldn't really want to see him in lylo (in this current gamestate)
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i really need to get back to work but i'm excitededed
ugghgh i wish i had more timeeeee but someone other than ruru talk to me bc she's a wolf or officially being bad on purpose
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I assume you're talking about 2442?
I would expect a meta-case to look something like "enigma does X more frequently as scum than as town" or "X is a general scumtell and enigma doesn't do it as town" and I don't feel like that was either of those
like if you want to talk about ISPing skygazer is a lot worse and I haven't felt much genuine scumhunting from your slot this game either
like, you realize bujaber is the other one pushing the argument that enigma is fluffing too much to be town and I'm scumreading both of you so enigma really strongly feels like designated mislynch to me-
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this. come at meIn post 2447, the worst wrote:someone other than ruru talk to me bc she's a wolf or officially being bad on purpose
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