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Post Post #2500 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:17 am

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In post 2499, BuJaber wrote:Why are you trying to backtrack on your TR of ruru? She's been pretty consistent in her approach on you. What triggered you to change your approach to her now?
I think it's obvious the answer to this is "BuJaber"
I, like, just said that
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Post Post #2501 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:30 am

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How does that answer my question?
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Post Post #2502 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:36 am

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In post 2475, ruru wrote:
In post 2461, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2420, ruru wrote:I think you're scum trying to discredit my read on you

players better than me agreed 1095 was a scumtell in that game
ok

a) why isn't he town annoyed that you're tunneling him and trying to get you to stop?

b) why is 1095 being a scumtell in that game mean much for tw's alignment in this one?
In post 1096, northsidegal wrote:
In post 1095, jjh927 wrote:NSG is being surprisingly incompetent from my pov, the worst is scum, mathdino should know better, IDK shit about ruru
what about my play has been incompetent, even from your own point of view?

are you saying that you've played to your town meta this game such that a knowledge of it would mean that i would be townreading you?
In post 1098, northsidegal wrote:no, i really haven't been tunneling them, at least not in the sense of screaming for people to follow me.

you didn't answer my question about whether or not my vote is reasonable from my perspective. you saying that my vote is wrong just from your perspective is meaningless - if you're going to say that i'm being incompetent, then my vote has to be unreasonable, it can't just be wrong.

like, let's posit that there was some "theoretical scumgame" and a person played exactly to it, even if they were town. would you call someone who voted that person incompetent just for being wrong even if their reasons were right?
In post 1099, northsidegal wrote:even from your own perspective of (theoretically) knowing that you're town, unless you think there are reasons that from
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perspective i should be townreading you and i'm just not seeing those reasons, you can't say that i'm being incompetent for just being wrong. i'm not psychic.
I'm basically sheeping players who are better than me on it not being a towny thing to say

I've been searching and can't find a quote along the lines of "jjh sealed his own fate when he called nsg incompetent for scumreading him" from that game but I'm almost positive somebody said it too
I kinda think that tw thinks that from his pov he should be townread by you here (or that at the least you should be re-evaljating) and that you weren't really trying to sort him honestly since you weren't really interacting with the points he brought up

I dont really know if he reps out as scum or gets that frustrated; i think he just lets the lynch on him happen

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Post Post #2503 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:39 am

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In post 2486, the worst wrote:if you're town you should literally be embarrassed by how badly you're misrepresenting players who you allege are better than you, and who you pretend to learn from. you have no semblance of an ability to read me and have shown no interest in attempting original thought while doing so,
and yet the meta you sheep is cold and badly applied.


I don't think you're bad at mafia. I think you're a wolf. if you're not please go and think on it and we can try this again later.
Kinda agree with this tbh; im still not super confident why nsg scumreading jjh for saying something worded vaguely similarly to something tw said in response ro you here is specifixally relevant to this circumstance
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Post Post #2504 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:40 am

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In post 2501, BuJaber wrote:How does that answer my question?
The reason the worst started "trying to backtrack on [his] TR of ruru" is because like 5 pages ago you said "I'd expect you to scumread ruru for the way she's treating you"
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Post Post #2505 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:41 am

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In post 2491, the worst wrote:whatever I'm done. if hunting through my bleeding heart for things you can twist to look like cogdis is all you're interested in I'm out af.
:( :( :(

Hey i hope i didnt do something ti make you want to rep out; if i did id like to talk about it in post because i really dont want to play that way
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Post Post #2506 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:43 am

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In post 2493, ruru wrote:also I think it's agenda-y that you only started pushing me after I disapproved of your enigma case:

your new scumpool is {ruru, bujaber, enigma}
enigma is probably an easy lynch
bujaber is also probably an easy lynch, but you ignored him and pushed me instead even though I'm not an easy lynch and you've been townreading me all game which I think is kind of partnery
Realistically you aren't getting lynched today; idk if he starts a thing here with you unless he really believes it
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Post Post #2507 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:49 am

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In post 2498, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm not like a huuuuge fan of how in every other game we've played you've worked hard at sorting me and now that I'm a replacement you're just like "well I can't trust me to sort him so I'll just ignore him and read his previous slots"
Not just because it's annoying that it feels like your playing with my slot instead of me (personal reason)
But also because the fact I reportedly have a strong scumgame hasn't stopped you from actively sorting me in the past
If skitter wins this game as scum this was my hint....
I mean I think I'm trying to sort you

A lot of the things you're saying I don't think is much ai or is tending town

Im a little hesitatnt to call you town flat out because a lot of the things I'm now learning are ubiqutous in your towngame (being unsure, lolvoting, sheeping people, backtracking) im not really seeing

You feel kinda ... neater than im used to and its throwing me off a bit

And at the same time i did scumread both of ur preds and i dont think i can completely disregard that. Im not like trying to ignore your presence or contribution; if you felt that way, i apologize. Rather, im trying to use other information that i have at my disposal to try to sort you because its been a question mark for me all game
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Post Post #2508 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:50 am

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In post 2504, Irrelephant11 wrote:
In post 2501, BuJaber wrote:How does that answer my question?
The reason the worst started "trying to backtrack on [his] TR of ruru" is because like 5 pages ago you said "I'd expect you to scumread ruru for the way she's treating you"
Oh I see
Me the person is the trigger not me the subject.

This only makes if I'm scum with him though.
What would your read of him be if I flip green?
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Post Post #2509 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:02 am

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Well no even if you're town and he's scum you saying "I'd expect town!you to scumread ruru" might get him to fake a scumread on ruru
I would read the worst as more likely town if you're town and go back to wanting enigma's flip

@skitter okay fair
on the other hand I think in Presidents you were like "why isn't he more confident, like he was in that game he replaced in?" and Shoshin was like "'Cause he replaced in"
idk I just wish you'd poke and prod at me more instead of just repeating "How about the elephant in the room huh?"
But I still think you're town so w/e you'll figure me out eventually
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Post Post #2510 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:11 am

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Huh thats a fair point; I'd forgotten about that game

Also now i kinda know what your towngame loons like i think

Also like what youre saying like makes sense and i dont really have super much questions on it? And thats why Im kinda wary cuz thats right in my blindspot and i have a tendency to townread people for making sense
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Post Post #2511 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:12 am

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Idk what do you think about tw's repout? I think thats kinda townie fir him tbh
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Post Post #2512 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:16 am

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idk if it's AI, he replaced out of another game too I think
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Post Post #2513 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:19 am

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Hi, so very sorry for being away past few days. Had an incredibly packed work agenda and I'm wrecked.
It's finally the weekend. Gunna sleep tonight, and catch up tomorrow.
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Post Post #2514 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:20 am

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Oh, i didnt see that :(

I kinda think the repout here was at least partially prompted by ruru and idk if he gets that annoyed as scum tbh
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Post Post #2515 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:21 am

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yeah idk I mean I don't think I can elaborate here so I'm just gonna nullread the rep out I think
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Post Post #2516 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:22 am

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Yeah ok fair
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Post Post #2517 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:32 am

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... did he really replace? I thought that was "I'm done talking to you"
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Post Post #2518 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:33 am

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I always check the replacement queue updates because I sometimes enjoy repping in to games and trying to win them using the power of retrospect. He replaced out of this game and another one.

@skitter what did you think of the content of tw's posts about ruru and about enigma?
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Post Post #2519 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:33 am

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As in, did you find any of it convincing?
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Post Post #2520 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:37 am

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I'm tempted to townread the replace and [redacted] but it's actually difficult when I feel like his slot has been emitting scumtells all game so I'm really confused now
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Post Post #2521 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:38 am

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Not really and he didnt really change my mind on either ruru or enigma

Im kinda townreading the ate and repout tho

I know i have a tendency to townread ate so its not ironclad and its something id want to go back and reread in a few days when the affect wheres off but for now i townread it

Cant really give you a better answer right now until a few days have passed and i can reread it
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Post Post #2522 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:42 am

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I also just don't understand why being misread by me would lead to
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much drama all of a sudden from town.him other than some meta conditioning thing which the replace would be super dishonorable if it's not from genuine emotion so I think it kind of has to be genuine
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Post Post #2523 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am

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I mean it's either genuine or has nothing to do with his feelings about this game
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Post Post #2524 (ISO) » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:46 am

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probably he's scumreading me because he's frustrated with me which is probably nai rather than agenda-y

still not sure how I feel about the enigma push though

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