newbie 1891: people with cool hair (game over!!!)

[schadd_]

welcome to newbie 1891: people with cool hair!

solange

Spoiler: playerlist

1. RadiantCowbells
   Catbert45
   angel7399
   
   
2. GeminiTwin12
   Lord Cantius Enzo
   
   
3. teacher
   notasexualobject
   
   
4. Qubu
   Cppiyaa
   
   
5. Light Ethos
   Relentless Hunt
   
   
6. Cobblerfone
   TheHolySpirit
   
   
7. Alonzo (SE)
   
8. nonny
   Jackal711
   (SE)
   
9. Chara
   Pine
   (IC)

Spoiler: reveals

Alonzo, lynched D1, is a

Vanilla Townie

RadiantCowbells, died N1, is a

Vanilla Townie

Chara, lynched D2, is a

Mafia Goon

teacher, died N2, is a

Vanilla Townie

nonny, lynched D3, is a

Vanilla Townie

Light Ethos, died N3, is a

Town Neapolitan

GeminiTwin12, lynched D4, is a

Mafia Roleblocker

Cobblerfone, survived, is a

Vanilla Townie

Qubu, survived, is a

Town Cop

Spoiler: events

36: RadiantCowbells replaces Catbert45
83: Cobblerfone replaces TheHolySpirit.
100: Chara replaces Pine.
185: Lord Cantius replaces Enzo.
314: GeminiTwin12 replaces Lord Cantius
502: D1 flip
561: D2 flip

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rules, adapted from nexus's

--most important rule: be nice and don't be mean--

general:

- Please adhere to the site rules.
- Do not discuss this game of mafia outside of this thread and the mafia PT.
- Day 1 will last 10 days; all further days last 7 days. Any day will also end when a majority lynch is achieved.
- Night Phases will last 48 hours maximum. On any given night, if all players PM me that they are okay to speed up the night, it will end sooner.
- During night phases, no talking may be done in this thread.
- Do not quote PM's from the mod at all (real or fabricated). Paraphrasing is acceptable.
- If you have any questions about your role, or the game, feel free to PM the mod.
- "Bah" posts are not allowed.
- If you break any of these rules, you will probably be modkilled.

voting / player actions:

- Vote either with vote tags (VOTE: schadd) or with bold (

vote: schadd

). Note that I didn't include the underscore in my username; you may choose to use a string that will uniquely identify a player to me instead of the exact thing.
- Don't try to confuse me with your votes.
- You may vote No Lynch to Not Lynch.
- A lynch will occur once a majority decision is reached. If no majority is reached by deadline, then no lynch shall occur.
- Following a lynch, it is twilight. You may continue to post until I lock the thread and declare it night.
- If nobody dies for 3 consecutive day and night phases, the town will win.
- If you have a Night Action, you may submit it from Night 1 and each subsequent Night (or whichever nights are specified by the role).

activity:

- You are expected to post at least once every 36 hours. If you haven't posted for 36 hours, I shall prod you. If you do not respond to the prod within 24 hours (either in thread if it's Day, or via PM during the Night) then I will replace you.
- As well, if you require more than three prods, I will force-replace you.

mechanics:

-

Aquamarine, 21B35F

is my color. Please don't use it.
- No impossible/hard to read text, or cryptography. For example, I would prefer that no font size smaller than the one you're reading now be used.
- The mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
- If you need to get the mod's attention, either PM me, or bold the text you wish to draw to my attention.
- I reserve the right to alter/remove/add any rules as I see fit. You will, of course, be notified if that happens, however.

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Setup Information

2d3 (as designed by Cabd):

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Neapolitan	Town Cop and Town Tracker	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Doctor	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Neapolitan and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Doctor

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by

one mafia goons

and

five vanilla townies

appropriately, to create a

2-mafia

and

7-town

setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.

Mafia Roleblocker

action takes precedence over a

Town Jailkeeper

action should that apply.

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups

Column A & Row 1:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Neapolitan, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:

Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:

Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Neapolitan, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:

Mafia Goon x 2, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Neapolitan

Welcome!

You are a

Town Neapolitan

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Vanilla Townie

or

Not Vanilla Townie

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Roleblocker

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is

PLAYERNAME

who is a

Mafia Goon/Rolecop

. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional PT, located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[schadd_]

sending role PMs out now! please confirm as it says to do, i will start the game once 8/9 of you have done so.

7/9 confirmations thus far

[schadd_]

Catbert45 replaces angel7399

Qubu replaces Cppiyaa

nonny replaces Jackal711

[schadd_]

Spoiler: lil uzi vert

Day 1 Starts!

Vote count 1.0

not voting (9):

Catbert45, Enzo, notasexualobject, Qubu, Relentless Hunt, TheHolySpirit, Alonzo, nonny, Pine

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 starts now and ends october 4th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-04 11:40:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked
  
• Catbert45 has (expired on 2018-09-26 11:40:00) to confirm and post

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Spoiler: cupcakKe

Vote count 1.1

Alonzo (1):

nonny

TheHolySpirit (1):

Enzo

Enzo (1):

Alonzo

nonny (1):

notasexualobject

notasexualobject (1):

Relentless Hunt

Relentless Hunt (1):

Qubu

not voting (3):

Catbert45, TheHolySpirit, Pine

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 4th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-04 11:40:00)

mod notes

• it is commonplace for mods to try to get vote counts @ the top of the page
  
• it's free real estate
  
• Catbert45 has (expired on 2018-09-26 11:40:00) to confirm and post

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[schadd_]

catbert is due to be replaced shortly as per the note in the vote counts.

theholyspirit is being prodded.

[schadd_]

replacing catbert

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prodding enzo, pine, qubu.

theholyspirit is being replaced.

[schadd_]

RadiantCowbells replaces Catbert45

[schadd_]

Spoiler: nils kuiper

Vote count 1.2

notasexualobject (2):

Relentless Hunt, RadiantCowbells

Relentless Hunt (2):

Qubu, notasexualobject

Alonzo (1):

nonny

TheHolySpirit (1):

Enzo

Enzo (1):

Alonzo

not voting (2):

TheHolySpirit, Pine

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 4th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-04 11:40:00)

mod notes

• ~

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Cobblerfone replaces TheHolySpirit.

[schadd_]

Enzo has responded to the prod and has been asked to post in thread.

Pine is being replaced.

[schadd_]

.

[schadd_]

Spoiler: jimmy page (1975)

Vote count 1.3

Relentless Hunt (3):

Qubu, notasexualobject, nonny

nonny (2):

RadiantCowbells, Cobblerfone

notasexualobject (1):

Relentless Hunt

Cobblerfone (1):

Enzo

Enzo (1):

Alonzo

not voting (1):

Chara

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 5th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-05 11:40:00)

mod notes

• chara replaces pine
  
• adding 24hr to the deadline in light of replaces

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[schadd_]

replacing enzo

[schadd_]

prodding relentless hunt and qubu.

[schadd_]

Lord Cantius replaces Enzo

[schadd_]

we're in the process of figuring out whether this is a newbie-eligible user

[schadd_]

replacing relentless hunt

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Spoiler: parker kit hill

Vote count 1.4

Relentless Hunt (2):

notasexualobject, nonny

nonny (2):

RadiantCowbells, Cobblerfone

notasexualobject (1):

Relentless Hunt

Cobblerfone (1):

Lord Cantius

Qubu (1):

Alonzo

Alonzo (1):

Chara

not voting (1):

Qubu

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 5th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-05 11:40:00)

mod notes

• replacing lord cantius in (expired on 2018-10-01 18:00:00) pending word from him about the account

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[schadd_]

replacing lord cantius

[schadd_]

relentless hunt is no longer being replaced

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;

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Spoiler: sza

Vote count 1.5

nonny (2):

RadiantCowbells, Cobblerfone

Alonzo (2):

Chara, nonny

Relentless Hunt (1):

notasexualobject

notasexualobject (1):

Relentless Hunt

Cobblerfone (1):

Lord Cantius

Qubu (1):

Alonzo

not voting (0):

Qubu

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 5th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-05 11:40:00)

mod notes

• phone vc

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[schadd_]

geminitwin12 replaces lord cantius!

[schadd_]

@ Mod In light of my UNVOTE in 188 being missed, can you please correct past vote counts to reflect this, so when we look back at voting records it’s correct? Thanks!

done, note for the future that it is more likely for me to miss votes & mod comments if they are amid a bunch of other stuff or not bolded

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Spoiler: st. vincent

Vote count 1.6

Alonzo (2):

nonny, RadiantCowbells

Cobblerfone (2):

Qubu, Alonzo

nonny (1):

Cobblerfone

Relentless Hunt (1):

notasexualobject

not voting (3):

Relentless Hunt, Chara, GeminiTwin12

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 5th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-05 11:40:00)

mod notes

• i can indeed do a vc!
  
• less than 2 days!!
  
• i am indefinitely accepting suggestions of people with cool hair bc this is hard

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[schadd_]

prodding notasexualobject

[schadd_]

sure lemme just

[schadd_]

ggnghnhcgnh

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vvvrvrrv

[schadd_]

Spoiler: naomi osaka

Vote count 1.7

Alonzo (4):

nonny, RadiantCowbells, Cobblerfone, GeminiTwin12

Cobblerfone (2):

Qubu, Alonzo

Relentless Hunt (1):

notasexualobject

not voting (2):

Relentless Hunt, Chara

with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 1 ends october 5th at 11:40 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-05 11:40:00)

mod notes

• bit more than 12 hr !

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[schadd_]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

Alonzo (5):

nonny, RadiantCowbells, Cobblerfone, GeminiTwin12, Chara

Cobblerfone (2):

Qubu, Alonzo

Relentless Hunt (1):

notasexualobject

not voting (1):

Relentless Hunt

with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[schadd_]

Alonzo has been lynched! he was a

vanilla townie!

night 1 starts now, please PM any night actions to me or indicate them in your PT. i am prodding relentless hunt and the night deadline will start when that and notasexualobject's prods get resolved.

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replacing notasexualobject.

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replacing relentless hunt as well.

[schadd_]

teacher replaces notasexualobject.

[schadd_]

light ethos replaces relentless hunt.

night one ends in (expired on 2018-10-09 20:20:00). sorry for the delay.

[schadd_]

RadiantCowbells has been killed in the night! he was a

vanilla townie!

[schadd_]

Spoiler: erykah badu

Day 2 Starts!

Vote count 2.0

not voting (7):

GeminiTwin12, teacher, Qubu, Light Ethos, Cobblerfone, nonny, Chara

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends october 16h at 20:30 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-16 20:30:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked
  
• note the two replacements occuring during the night

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Spoiler: jerry garcia

Vote count 2.1

Light Ethos (2):

Cobblerfone, teacher

Chara (1):

Qubu

Qubu (1):

Chara

not voting (3):

GeminiTwin12, Light Ethos, nonny

with 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 2 ends october 16th at 20:30 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-16 20:30:00)

mod notes

• ~

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[schadd_]

Spoiler: david bowie

D2 Final Vote Count

Chara (4):

Qubu, Light Ethos, GeminiTwin12, Chara

Light Ethos (1):

Cobblerfone

not voting (2):

nonny, teacher

with 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[schadd_]

Chara has been lynched! it was a

mafia goon!

night 2 starts now, please PM any night actions to me or indicate them in your PT within (expired on 2018-10-12 19:20:00).

[schadd_]

teacher has been killed in the night! he was a

vanilla townie!

[schadd_]

Spoiler: cardi b

Day 3 Starts!

Vote count 3.0

not voting (5):

GeminiTwin12, Qubu, Light Ethos, Cobblerfone, nonny

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. day 3 starts now and ends october 19th at 21:20 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-19 21:20:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked

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Spoiler: lindsey buckingham

Vote count 3.1

nonny (2):

Light Ethos, GeminiTwin12

Light Ethos (1):

Cobblerfone

not voting (2):

Qubu, nonny

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. day 3 ends october 19th at 21:20 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-19 21:20:00)

mod notes

• prodding qubu

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[schadd_]

Spoiler: lorde

Vote count 3.2

nonny (2):

Light Ethos, GeminiTwin12

Light Ethos (1):

Cobblerfone

GeminiTwin12 (1):

nonny

not voting (1):

Qubu

with 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. day 3 ends october 19th at 21:20 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-19 21:20:00)

mod notes

• '

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Spoiler: noname

d3 final vote count

nonny (3):

Light Ethos, GeminiTwin12, Cobblerfone

GeminiTwin12 (1):

nonny

not voting (1):

Qubu

with 5 alive, it took 3 to lynch

[schadd_]

nonny has been lynched! she was a

vanilla townie!

night 1 starts now, please PM any night actions to me or indicate them in your PT. if everyone alive messages me asking for a faster night, i will start the next day as soon as that happens; otherwise, night 3 ends in (expired on 2018-10-19 23:25:00)

[schadd_]

Light Ethos has been killed in the night! he was a

Town Neapolitan!

[schadd_]

Spoiler: kevin abstract

Day 4 Starts!

Vote count 4.0

not voting (3):

GeminiTwin12, Qubu, Cobblerfone

with 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. day 4 starts now and ends october 26th at 22:45 central US time; in (expired on 2018-10-26 22:45:00)

mod notes

• thread unlocked

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[schadd_]

last vote count!!!!!

GeminiTwin12 (2):

Cobblerfone, Qubu

not voting (1):

GeminiTwin12

with 3 alive, it took 2 to lynch

[schadd_]

GeminiTwin12 has been lynched! she was a

mafia roleblocker!

Qubu survived! he was a

town cop!

Cobblerfone survived! he was a

vanilla townie!

town wins!!!

[schadd_]

releasing scum PT in (expired on 2018-10-22 13:00:00) unless either objects

mod / dead thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77331
chara's IC thread: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77346 not a lot in here and i assume it understood it was intended for release

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honestly not that partial to this specific setup - town's reads obviously mattered but townplay didn't really affect the game after n1.

obviously there's something to be said about listening to town players who seem good - rc's reads were good enough to win by the end of d1. like, there wasn't a way to know that for certain obviously, nor was there an obvious way to find out rc is a very experienced player (that i remember - maybe he said "i am a very experienced town player" idr), but figuring out how to gather that information has effects on your reads that should b pretty clear. that may have factored into qubu's peek idk

make sure you're thinking about PR stuff in terms of what you need to do to end the game - gemini was saying stuff like "massclaim makes it easy for scum to figure out what to do" and people didn't dispute that right away. given that you know a cop and a roleblocker exists - what happens if the second PR claims or doesn't claim? keeping in mind that any claim occurring in lylo will at best bring the game to a 1v1 since the last mafia can counterclaim it.

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an incidental thing: theoretically the correct cop play is to find the result that gives you the most information on a player rather than the most likely guilty result. for example, if somebody is already like consensus scum and is very likely going to be lynch no matter what you do, you probably shouldn't bother investigating them. so like in theory if you were very sure chara was scum and were willing to push it whether you had a result or not, then a different check would have been better. in practice though this result won the game and it's generally just a good mindset that your most confident read is still going to be worth confirming with an investigative since very few people can claim to have like more than a 75% scumread on a slot reliably in my experience

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That's not true when you can't necessarily get a Lynch without a guilty

The way I use cops now is hilarious most of the time because I usually go for like my third strongest townread

i generally go for people i don't tr that i think will make endgame if town

[schadd_]

like yeah a single player making an argument isn't enough to get a lynch usually but like if you think there will be multiple other players also making that argument thats probably enough etc.

i dont think that would have happened with chara especially with rc dying

[schadd_]

I typically can fit everyone in that pool into my scumpool and Lynch them, but it depends how long I expect to live

Schadd has copped me and still lost the game tho

do you mean the time you roleblocked me or the time i died and you repd into the slot i copped

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the latter was smith's newbie a couple months ago

[schadd_]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76607

[schadd_]

u can always look @ my wiki :) starting around the beginning of this year the table becomes readable

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[schadd_]

i thot u played fine ultimately, i dont really remember much

i thot that the way you worked with the guilty was good, trying to case chara and then just outting once people weren't convinced by that. like it's also a pretty important thing for cops to try to play with the guilty with other ways than outing it especially if you can get the lynch through without claiming (or towncasing an innocent result and making it clear who they are in case you get shot)

like it is easy and kind of liberating to case somebody if you know that any argument you make is ultimately gonna result in the correct answer even if your reasoning is faulty lmao

edit: @ qubu

[schadd_]

If anyone besides qubu teacher wants individual advice I'll pop in

I would like some more feedback

just from memory i think you have a hard time distinguishing goofy/different town from scum. it's a really good habit, if you're scumreading a post (and especially!!! if it's somebody you are already scumreading or think you have an innate tendency to scumread) to ask yourself: have i seen town do this before? can i think of a reason town would do this? some examples that i looked back for:

Keep in mind it’s a newbie game though. Newbies I think are more excited when they have a “real” role.

Qubu: not sure I get what you’re saying, you saying you think scum would be mor excited than VT to play but saying you disagree with me doesn’t mesh. I said I don’t think a VT would be that excited, not VT includes PR or scum.

I get the impression that you are trying to paint me as scummy for not being super active as a poster, but are trying to do so without using a direct attack – more a subtle insinuation that you don’t have to defend but just plant. It bothers me. I can’t explain it more than that. It’s a semantics issue my brain is really tickled by throughout all your posts but nothing I can pin down directly.

I don’t like the imply meta that antsy people must be town gets hunt a town read from you. The guy posted twice. This is similar to my issue with Chara. If you apply your under the radar bit to hunt, oh boy has he been under the radar since then.

I've never stated a TR on Hunt.
I havn't said anything about your activity. Quote me if you see that I have, but I just reread and have no mentioned it.
I didn't say antsy people are town. I said energetic posters are generally not VT in a newbie game as newbies.
Again, do not misrepresent what I say to support your "gut" that my "tone" is off. Use quotes or pull posts. I am now SR you for this continued misrepresentation in effort to join what's been seen as

the

wagon.

i think the way a lot of people's reads generate as town is that gut precedes anything they say - one either reads a post or has a sensation develop after reading a series of posts and thinking about them and then you try to find and explain what is giving that sensation. for the most part i think things that sound like "misrepresentation" are either a non-indicative trait or actively a town trait - it will always, forever be the case that people will attack scumreads that seem weakly founded and it is endlessly tempting for town to push people based on objective things like "i didn't say what you claim i did"; thus, a very very easy and common thing that scum does is make sure all their arguments are well-founded and inoffensive.

recall rc's note about how scum is often in the geminis and charas who seem like they are doing more than they are - if you push on somebody and put yourself out there, the people you are pushing tend to want to scumread you on like a basic psychological level and it's such a common trait, especially among people that don't actively enjoy playing scum, to avoid pushing people, especially without a very easily digestible and objective reason.

to form a model of how to find town in somebody misrepresenting: i have not been rereading games lately and i find that when i do it taints the way i look at the game since i am often looking for something specific and thus not reading the game naturally. the way i explain reads as town (the somewhat few times i do so) are based on my memory of how the person is playing and a synthesis of what gives me bad sensations about them - if i tried to iterate through all their posts and find exactly what gave me that impression, not only would i feel like i'm not reading in good faith (since i am trying to find things in support of an argument i've already thought out) it would also just be a lot of work and i have lost interest in doing that after like 50 games. a lot of people play the same way i think.

Not sure I’ve seen this deadline reaction from Alonzo before. Reads almost desperate trying to get any other lynch through. Though admittedly I could be tunneling. Still where in most comfortable voting.

some people are just like this. like it is in accordance with a town wincon to push someone other than yourself, and in theory it is a pro-town play to continue trying to find the most likely wolf even if you are getting pushed but at the same time people don't like being lynched and can e.g. want to stay in the game, can be affected by confirmation bias in favor of pushing a competing wagon, etc. simultaneously, it is a pretty common thing for scum to try to put up an appearance of disinterest in their wagon and in fact it doesn't require finesse to do so - you just do something else and hope people notice.

After mulling it over, while chara’s defense of nonny seems too obvious, it also could be understandable; if nonny is scum, she’s the roleblocker.

And if scum have a roleblocker they cannot afford to lose them day one.

I’d also rather fight scum-LE in lylo than scum-nonny.

Intent to hammer, but I also want Qubu’s thoughts. He did after all catch Chara.

Why? Why is scum!LE a better option in lylo?
Bolding added for emphasis. May be semantics but the change is odd. You say I'm the RB because Chara tried to defer the wagon from me day 1. But also say

if

scum has an RB. Qubu has already said he was rb'd. Are you trying to pretend you don't know which set up we are in?

that just, like, doesn't ever happen. similar to the first big set of paragraphs, it's really easy and common to comb over your wording to make sure you're not saying anything or using any wording that might make somebody want to stir up a ruckus. on the other hand, town literally just borgets things all the time (see me forgetting an entire tracker claim) and words things in weird or suspicious ways because they're just typing stuff and clicking post

Chara’s last 3 posts look more like talking themself into the hammer. Feels slightly off but not sure in which direction. Could be just showing fake hesitation or it could be legit concern.

what feels like happened to me here is that you recognized that those last three posts were like ..... weird and wrong somehow and there was an obvious scum reason to have a weird and wrong set of posts (i.e., trying to hammer in a way that seemed natural) but you maybe thought through it a bit much. like i think you had a good eye for an unnatural set of posts but couldn't think of a way to describe how they were unnatural and came to the conclusion it could go either way.

i think 294, 310 were really town and rc noticed that as well. you have a good way of articulating how the gamestate makes you feel and describing implications of the fact that you're town and with good players that is makes it really easy for people to townread you.

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there is a meta element of that post in that i didn't proofread any of it and some of the things i said may in fact be trivially wrong

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dental thing: theoretically the correct cop play is to find the result that gives you the most information on a player rather than the most likely guilty result. for example, if somebody is already like consensus scum and is very likely going to be lynch no matter what you do, you probably shouldn't bother investigating them. so like in theory if you were very sure chara was scum and were willing to push it whether you had a result or not, then a different check would have been better. in practice though this result won the game and it's generally just a good mindset that your most confident read is still going to be worth confirming with an investigative since very few people can claim to have like more than a 75% scumread on a slot reliably in my experi

I thought about this, but I did the mislynch math and figured as a first game I didn't want to trust my gut too much on an IC that seemed in a good place to wiggle about. I wasn't confident I could make a convincing case on Chara as a newbie so I wanted to be sure.

IMO, Nonny wasn't going to made endgame and that was my first choice for investigation. That was a lynch that was I just didn't see not happening at some point.

yup, i think you played it perfectly good.

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I definitely do look how people reacted to his entrance on Chara

I think that Chara not being copped was town lose or close game as opposed to the solid win that happened.

yea i also think so in case that was unclear

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addendum to 701: i didnt say all this to claim that low-explanation is an ideal way of playing, and i think i accidentally like endorsed it with my comment on 493. the very very best townplayers are those who can convince people in addition to forming good reads and if you are able to isolate exactly what is a scummy aspect of somebody's play then that is a good thing. however, a lot of people don't really put forth effort to do that (hi! nice to meet you, i'm schadd) and also always putting forth effort to try to do that doesn't necessarily make your reads more accurate - so i suppose the ultimate note is that if something seems scummy to you and you don't see a way to explain it that's fine and you often shouldn't try to

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like a game where you are reading all of it and thinking about stuff but you only make a few cases or only go in-depth for a few townreads that all turn out to be dead-on is really satisfying

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I locktowned her after 294

i remember this yeafh

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did u like my paragraphs? :)

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LE I didn't vote you in the hat game because of anything you did

I voted you because I scumread NMs slot but literally no one else did

wrong game i think

I did!

:) :) :)

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viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77340 yup soryr