Micro 829: The Coalition [Endgame]

[Chara]

i really do oh my goodness.

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Coalition 1.13
Voter	Coalition
Irrelephant11	skitter30	Chara	Almost50	Irrelephant11
Chara 3	Chara	Almost50	Irrelephant11	Gamma Emerald	skitter30
no lunch	no lunch	Aubrey	skitter30	Chara
Aubrey 3	Chara	Almost50	skitter30	Gamma Emerald	Irrelephant11
Almost50 2	Almost50	Irrelephant11	skitter30	Chara	Aubrey
skitter30 2	skitter30	Chara	Aubrey	Almost50	Irrelephant11
Gamma Emerald 1	Aubrey	Gamma Emerald	Chara	Almost50	Irrelephant11
My Milked Eek	My Milked Eek	no lunch	Chara	Gamma Emerald
Skygazer 4	Aubrey	Gamma Emerald	skitter30	Almost50	Chara
(expired on 2018-11-08 22:53:59)

Votecount 1.13
Vote Target	Wagon
Irrelephant11 (1):	no lunch (19)
Skygazer (1):	Irrelephant11 (198)
no lunch (1):	Almost50 (78)
Not Voting (6): Aubrey, My Milked Eek, Skygazer, Gamma Emerald, Chara, skitter30
(expired on 2018-11-08 22:53:59)

[Skygazer]

@a50: if i was in a scenario where i was scum here with a partner that wasnt townread id probs try to scumcase a specefic person to get them forced out of the coalition

[skitter30]

b) i kinda disagree that you're saying if i were scum here 'my focus would be on winning the remainder of the game' (ie that it sounds like you think i'd be focusing on the long-term) - if i were scum my focus would be on like trying to maintain the townread to ensure i didn't immediately lose the game; i could focus on winning the game after. we talked about this a lot - i don't particularly look for mislynches as scum; i that's not what my strength is; i just kinda let them happen. i pocket people instead.

kind of missed my point here. as town i'm saying i'd expect your focus to be on players like me, but most of our interaction has felt like i've been initiating it. am i wrong?
"maintaining the townread" is kind of a nebulous concept, you could be doing that by continuing to scumhunt.

i don't find it strange to be pushing no lunch.

regarding my own meta: like i said if you have time and like to read old games i gave you a link.
it is worth nothing i've never been mislynched outside of hydra and i tend to go kind of tryhard whenever someone gets close to lynching me as town, or even preemptively seems like they might.

i'm still here, damn.

huh i missed this in the p-edits

i do have to run those errands now but i'll get to this later and i'll be around later if you want to talk more

[Chara]

if i accept that the other 3 are town, Aubrey is probably also town. can't say the same for Gamma.
not going to do any more shuffling right now until i can look at the numbers.

[Almost50]

@a50: if i was in a scenario where i was scum here with a partner that wasnt townread id probs try to scumcase a specefic person to get them forced out of the coalition

Okie dokie. That's a good/clever answer. I can see you trying to do that.

But how do you force yourself or your partner instead of the one you shade?

[skitter30]

b) i kinda disagree that you're saying if i were scum here 'my focus would be on winning the remainder of the game' (ie that it sounds like you think i'd be focusing on the long-term) - if i were scum my focus would be on like trying to maintain the townread to ensure i didn't immediately lose the game; i could focus on winning the game after. we talked about this a lot - i don't particularly look for mislynches as scum; i that's not what my strength is; i just kinda let them happen. i pocket people instead.

kind of missed my point here. as town i'm saying i'd expect your focus to be on players like me, but most of our interaction has felt like i've been initiating it. am i wrong?
"maintaining the townread" is kind of a nebulous concept, you could be doing that by continuing to scumhunt.

i don't find it strange to be pushing no lunch.

regarding my own meta: like i said if you have time and like to read old games i gave you a link.
it is worth nothing i've never been mislynched outside of hydra and i tend to go kind of tryhard whenever someone gets close to lynching me as town, or even preemptively seems like they might.

i'm still here, damn.

as town i don't know who i'd focus on; i don't really like focus on people with similar playstyles necessarily? i was focusing on no lunch yesterday because that was the most interesting thread to me during that period while we were all interacting in real time

eh fair wrt maintaining a townread being a nebulous concept

i missed that you had linked the game; i'll go back and check it at some point

i've only been mislynched twice (both in lylo, both while i was v/la - when i had announced i would be v/la at that point ) but yeah i tend to be really really really town if i think i'm close to getting mislynched, so i get that

[Almost50]

@skitter: How do you feel about omitting Aubrey in favour of Gamma? If we both do we'd have identical lists with Chara & Aubrey, and we'd need only one of Sky/Gamma/Irrel to make a minor change to hammer.

[skitter30]

i feel pretty good about gamma but i feel very good about aubrey

not really confident i can read gamma well enough to want him in my coalition tbh

[Almost50]

I feel good about them both. Unfortunately we can only have one or the other. Aubrey was good enough to sacrifice his own seat at the coalition in favour of Gamma. I also vouch for Gamma (aside from me also TRing Aubrey), and so does Chara (at least in the sense of including him in their list).

I am trying to seal the coalition soon enough. We have spent SEVEN REAL DAYS already and we have yet to "start the game" if you will. Even if we take the coalition thing as a

guaranteed failure

, now is the time to have that status mod-confirmed so we can start scum hunting within the 5-players pool for the next 14 days. Do you get what I mean?

[Gamma Emerald]

More interested in spreading dirt than looking for town incentive basically (Remember my worry about you locking horns). A worry that could easily be put onto NL too.

this is pretty much exactly the vibe i got from no lunch's negatively framing things, that he was trying to make people look scummy and that he wasn't really interested in looking for town motivation

here's only one lurker so i don't believe it's that.

i want to avoid falling into the paranoia trap because we're all assuming the coalition can't all be town, either.

oh and elephant: i was worried about not being townread because i envisioned a scenario where i'd be mislynched out of paranoia if the coalition fails. that's part of why i really really want it to just go through.

by lurkers i meant: mme, sky to a certain extent, and even gamma maybe. i know that sky and gamma aren't exaclty lurking; maybe a better word choice would have been: people hwo aren't as active and present as me/you/a50/no lunch/aubrey

there's posts casting doubt/paranoia on the coalition, but i'm not seeing skitter do much about it. elephant has had specific qualms with my play; as far as i can see with skitter, she continues to describe it as a "???" kind of feeling.
she's engaged no lunch a lot, but no lunch isn't in the coalition. what's she doing to figure out where we might have gone wrong, if we even have?
she's already in, so now her focus could be, as scum, on winning the remainder of the game. she needs mislynches. i get the sense she's more preparing for that instead of trying for us to win right now.

a) i'm focusing on another game because of [redacted] atm and i'm letting this one slide into the background a little bit (and this was really just wrt yesterday and today irl).

b) i kinda disagree that you're saying if i were scum here 'my focus would be on winning the remainder of the game' (ie that it sounds like you think i'd be focusing on the long-term) - if i were scum my focus would be on like trying to maintain the townread to ensure i didn't immediately lose the game; i could focus on winning the game after. we talked about this a lot - i don't particularly look for mislynches as scum; i that's not what my strength is; i just kinda let them happen. i pocket people instead.

why is scum!me looking for mislynches outside of the coalition and/or why am is pushing no lunch, who isn't in the coalition, problematic? I think he's scummy. i'm actively trying to sort him and figure out if what i don't like is playstyle or like actually scum-indicative.

i mean, yes, the gamestate feels a little wonky with this many people being strong town, and yes, i'm noting that.

c) i'm very, very, very confident a50 is town. i think irrel is townie for him (reminder to say things when i can say them) + i'm sheeping a50 a bit. aubrey tonally feels really really really good.

i don't have much reason to doubt any of these people

with you i also tending town. yes, i'm acknowleding that i'm paranoid. it's not a feeling i can specifically consciously describe; if i could have better, i would have. it's like an overarching feeling that you want to be townread that's making me a little nervous. you've acknowledged that you're doing that.

i don't know if it's actively scummy (which i think i noted the firt time i said this) though because you seem to be the sort of player who cares *a lot* about being townread as either alignment (i'm getting that from the bolded in the quote above and other similar quotes that i can pull up from elsewhere), so i don' tknow if it's actively a reason for me to townread you, but it does make me wary. that's the main thing that's bothering me and i odn't know how to diffrentiate between this being a playstyle thing from you rn or a scum thing from you rn

I think skitter has the same list as mine

i honestly don't know what my coaition is atm

i think: me, irrel, chara, you, aubry?

and this post pinged me in particular for... not really seeming to care about the exact list.

i thought it was those people but i was feeling a little lazy about actually going and checking since there wasn't a recent vc and i figured if i posted what i thought to be my list a50 would verify it for me either way since he was keeping track

Oh, let me rephrase that: ASSUMING Sky is scum, and ASSUMING her partner isn't a strong candidate for the coalition; how would you expect her to respond?

try to towntell
i don't really get the vibe that she's trying to towntell, which i think is slightly town-indicative for her maybe? not sure

(hedging a little bit because [redacted]; this is more a note to come back to this train of thought at some point)

if she were scum and her partner were in the coalition i'm not sure she would necessarily try/care as much?

Since someone mentioned my inactivity I apologize, tonight was movie night. Didn’t see much worth responding to before this fyi

[skitter30]

I feel good about them both. Unfortunately we can only have one or the other. Aubrey was good enough to sacrifice his own seat at the coalition in favour of Gamma. I also vouch for Gamma (aside from me also TRing Aubrey), and so does Chara (at least in the sense of including him in their list).

I am trying to seal the coalition soon enough. We have spent SEVEN REAL DAYS already and we have yet to "start the game" if you will. Even if we take the coalition thing as a

guaranteed failure

, now is the time to have that status mod-confirmed so we can start scum hunting within the 5-players pool for the next 14 days. Do you get what I mean?

i mean i understand what you're saying but it feels really really wrong on a some gut level to take out someone i'm strongly townreading to put in someone i'm so-so townreading :/

[Almost50]

Then try to convince Chara to put Aubrey in their list instead of Gamma for starters, then I'm sure we can convince Aubrey to do the same, and then Irrel can add Aubrey as his 5th name and we're there.

[no lunch]

I have been busy in real life, and am becoming bored.

[no lunch]

Being uncharismatic is less fun, and less productive, than I had hoped.
At least I have two townreads I like a lot, both of whom should be on the final coalition in order to prolong their lives.

[Irrelephant11]

HEAL: Aubrey

[Irrelephant11]

I've decided I have good enough reason to townread chara/skitter/A50 and the only way I'm wrong on A50/skitter is if they're both scum and the only way chara is scum is if Aubrey is it's partner and Aubrey is right that if he's the only scum in the coalition we will kill him first and without going in many more circles I'm not sure I'm going to find a better coalition.

Basically I'm aiming for [this is all town & if not we at least have got great odds to hit the scum if I'm wrong] which is a little bit dependent on never lynching me now that I think about it but I'm willing to take that on

[Chara]

i'm willing to change, no convincing needed. just don't want to accidentally hammer. any objections?

[Irrelephant11]

@NSG: vc?

do we wait for MME?

[no lunch]

I don't anticipate that MME will aggressively alignment spew, regardless of alignment.
He is not the type.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean, okay
We've kinda played the first part of the game without him, which seems rude if nothing else

How do you feel about my coalition?

[Chara]

haha. i don't find it rude, he just hasn't been very active.

[Irrelephant11]

right I guess it's his fault
I would just be annoyed if I was IRL busy and came back and a coalition had been picked without me

[no lunch]

I am fairly comfortable with your coalition.
If it should fail, Almost50 and Aubrey need to be lynched.

Agreed, being left out of the core mechanic of the game would be frustrating. However, he does not appear to be remotely interested in engaging with the urgency of the townblock hunt.

[Aubrey]

Oh joy. My two favorite people threatening me with rope when I’m not even care’n if I’m I the coalition or not. Makes some feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[no lunch]

Of course!

I do hope it just passes. However, I believe you are scum after Almost50, but before Chara or skitter30.