Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[PenguinPower]

1) Sorry we ended up lunching scum. I was obviously not going to be her counterwago given the duel.
2) Your duel kinda stifled all discussion outside you and faq
3) I expected to die upon replace in so of course I’m comfortable.

Bad reasons. I’m reflectin back on RC’s comments on you and i am again fine with LE and dueling you.

[Garmr]

1) Sorry we ended up lunching scum. I was obviously not going to be her counterwago given the duel.
2) Your duel kinda stifled all discussion outside you and faq
3) I expected to die upon replace in so of course I’m comfortable.

Bad reasons. I’m reflectin back on RC’s comments on you and i am again fine with LE and dueling you.

So who do you think my scum buddy is if I'm scum. Also rc is shit no offence they did the same thing to me in a earlier game when I was town.

[BuJaber]

I don't think it's PP.

What's the case on LE? Because I think we need to look at the shoshin kill. I don't think a scum team with LE(walt) shoots shoshin.

[Irrelephant11]

Alright BuJ
let's gamesolve

Also I would kill Shoshin, but so would anyone who took seriously that my rep in was extremely town-indicative for Shoshin, so *shrug*

[Irrelephant11]

wish I was playing strongly enough to eat the vengekill tbh
I need to really really step it up there's not very many of us

[Irrelephant11]

If Garmr tries to interfere, you should lynch him and cut FA_Q2 from the lynch order on a scum flip.

Hm.

I really have no clue who the last two scum are but I had been feeling pretty good about neither of them being PP
Garmr why is PP scum?

[AnonymousGhost]

Prodding Creature ((expired on 2018-10-31 11:11:49)).

Light Ethos has failed to pick up his nudge and will be replaced.

[AnonymousGhost]

Vote Count 2.2

Irrelephant11: BuJaber
Garmr:
Light Ethos: Creature, PenguinPower, Irrelephant11
BuJaber:
Creature:
PenguinPower: Garmr

Not Voting: Light Ethos

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the Duel deadline will be killed.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-11-03 23:53:33)

[Irrelephant11]

wait buj is voting me?

[BuJaber]

Okay
Where you at right now?

Do you know garmr?
I've only experienced his town game first-hand. Playstyle can get on people's nerves but I felt he handled himself well when pressured and it would be pretty ballsy to duel FAQ like he did as scum when earlier he made this big speech about how careful we have to be with dueling.

That leaves you, creature and LE.

[BuJaber]

@PP - how well can you read creature? Or is it just the activity tell?

[Irrelephant11]

Yeah Garmr is probably town, RC seemed to scumread him for anger but his anger seemed justified (fhpov anyway). Only concern is the quote I just posted from RC
No experience with him, but I'd rather he was town than scum so he is for now
You're town because it was like the one thing Shoshin and RC both solidly said
Penguin is town because RC was right that multiple players TMI'd Penguin's alignment as town

Leaving creature and LE fmpov
I keep wanting to read things more deeply to have stronger reasons but before FAQ2 flipped I thought it would be easy to win w/o doing so
If it's LE I guess I still feel that way

[BuJaber]

Nick did want FAQ dead for a long time and that anger towards RC that only materialized after his death was really weird.

Apart from that his posting hasn't been particularly noteworthy.

[BuJaber]

If you think it was TMI, I can quote some posts

Yeah I think that would be helpful actually.

I couldn't play this game to my fullest because I thought I like had to read all pages and comment everywhere before expressing my reads.

What does this mean?

[Creature]

What does this mean?

I thought I had to read all pages to start hard defending players like FAQ2 and attacking players like LE

[Creature]

And I told you EXACTLY why I voted now. That horrific post.

If you think it is me and creature then why not use my vote there and hang creature. You can hang me after.

sigh.

Duels are asininely scum sided. garmr you are an idiot.

so why are you sure he's a better lynch than you? If he's town, and you're town, and you're more easily mislynchable (and based on others' reads up to this point that's the case) you should probably be the one to go. Is there anything other than the duel that makes you think Garmr is scum?

Because I

thought

he was town - pulling that duel particularly in the shit way he did certainly seems scummy af to me - but I KNOW I am town for certain.

[Creature]

My memory might be failing me though because it has been 3 days already

[Creature]

Yeah Garmr is probably town, RC seemed to scumread him for anger but his anger seemed justified (fhpov anyway). Only concern is the quote I just posted from RC
No experience with him, but I'd rather he was town than scum so he is for now
You're town because it was like the one thing Shoshin and RC both solidly said
Penguin is town because RC was right that multiple players TMI'd Penguin's alignment as town

Leaving creature and LE fmpov
I keep wanting to read things more deeply to have stronger reasons but before FAQ2 flipped I thought it would be easy to win w/o doing so
If it's LE I guess I still feel that way

RC also had a strong townread on my slot

[Creature]

@PP - how well can you read creature? Or is it just the activity tell?

There are a lot of ways to read me. Most of the ways I'm not even aware enough to break it.

[Creature]

First thing you should do is stop being lazy

[BuJaber]

You do have a looot of posts for a rep in actually. Sure most of them are non-posts but still I would think you'd be a little lurky. Especially that nick was a suspected slot, only RC TR'd him if I recall.

[Irrelephant11]

creature, bujaber, do you agree with Garmr that LE's only possible partners are Garmr and BuJ?

[BuJaber]

I think he said that because of the votes.

I can see the logic but I don't agree because the only things that the last 2 scum can't do is hammer or duel their partner. Voting is one way to sow doubt or it'd be too obvious.

[Creature]

You do have a looot of posts for a rep in actually. Sure most of them are non-posts but still I would think you'd be a little lurky. Especially that nick was a suspected slot, only RC TR'd him if I recall.

Suspected slot?

[Creature]

Right, I never said you were shit, at the time I was saying you were "either shit or scum" and went with scum because you seemed to be 1/3 in your top three. Of course you took that as me calling you shit because FYPOV you know you are not scum. I saw you hard pushing RC as scum, who seemed like pretty likely town based on the amount of effort he was putting in after being very likely to get lynched, and you also seemed to want to scumread me when I know I am town, so it seemed to me like you were at most 1/3 for your top three. The problem was that Penguin was not and is not obviously scum, but he sorta just cruised through that duel, and I think you getting ragetilted over what RC was saying toward you helped scum push RC through even though of the two he was the worse lynch. (imo)

Still doesn't make Penguin scum, but I do still think your lack of push on Penguin is one reason he remains pretty null. We had two players dueling and one of them remains null... that shouldn't really happen. But the reason it happened, in fairness to you, has a lot more to do with RC than with you.

To be clear, I don't think you're shit at this game, or shit as a person, but I do think you can be needlessly hostile and tend to escalate hostility very quickly.

idk you do seem legitimately temperamental but FA_Q does not. His anger seems fakier to me, whereas you seem to have really thought I was calling you shit (since I said "shit or scum") when imo I was just calling you scum. Whereas FA_Q I really did only say he was scum and then he seemed to get really angry for no reason other than being scumread. Like that OMGUS felt really weak to me. He should get roped. I know my case was not like, pulitzer prize winning. This game still doesn't have like a ton of dope material to work with. But his reaction was pretty bad. 715 is scummy, even if you agree my case was shitty

Yeah I was kinda reconsidering my scumread of Garmr in that post which I guess is what threw you off. He really seemed to think I insulted him, which seemed to suggest he hadn't even considered the possibility I was calling him scum. I mean it's possible he went that route as scum to throw me off but it was enough for now for him to drop back to a null/leanscum read rather than a red read.

I'm attempting to get you to be more vocal with your reasoning. You're very gnomic this game.

RC just didn't convince me he was worth saving, and if I can't get people to unload the wagon then it doesn't matter whether I vote you or not. None of the votes on him were moving. You were null, not scum, and I'm not going to fight to unload a wagon on a reckless null/slight leantown to lynch a null/null.

Your reads might overlap with RC but I'd rather you explain the reads in your own words. RC might be flipped town but that doesn't mean his reads were any better than anyone else's or any better than they usually are. And in my experience his reads are usually pretty bad to be honest. He keeps SAYING they're great. But they're really not, at least not in any game I have been in with him.

Like let's not beat around the bush. He totally fucked day one.

He made the first duel USELESS because he fucking gave up for no goddamn reason before anyone had a fucking read on you

And forced every vote to be locked between you and him for a fucking real life week

while the rest of the game came to a crashing halt

YEAH

I DID FUCKING NOTHING TO SAVE HIM

AND I WOULDN'T SAVE HIM NOW EITHER

I frankly dislike the entire mechanic of this setup and I'm like basically done with this game altogether.

I would duel you, except DUELS ARE BORING because the mechanic is SLOW AND CANNOT BE ACCELERATED which means votes for the first six days are fucking irrelevant

You know what fuck this game, lynch whoever I've stopped caring.

I thought maybe with replacements I could get back into it

But all you wanna do is talk about RC and act like he's a golden fucking goose when his reads are always awful and he definitely was not even sorta close to worth saving

Replace out