Open 737: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[skitter30]

i'm around, sorry
prioritizing other things cuz [redacted]

[skitter30]

Enigma:

it makes perfect sense for enigma to shoot korina:
- alonzo rbs korina -> nk doesn't matter
- alonzo doesn't rb enigma -> he almost certainly rbs korina, korina is conftowned

you meant 'alonzo rbs enigma' there, right?

so you're saying his motive to kill korina is to prevent him from being conftowned?
ie, say, he would have otherwise shot me and alonzo rb'd korina and korina is now conftown, right?

[skitter30]

- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives

explain this again?

[skitter30]

- he would be a traitor with no mods, but he wouldn't know that, so he also has to deal with the possibility of there being multiple prs in {korina, ruru, skitter}
- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
- he'd risk getting shot by groupscum if the bujaber lynch didn't go through

why are you assuming traitor!alonzo and not groupscum-alonzo-with-daytalk?

[skitter30]

about me and alonzo being alive, I guess it's less notable than it looks:

both of you being alive i don't inherently find strange

i think it's incredibly odd that the bg is not dead after three nights and that the jk has had no observable night actions in that time

[skitter30]

ok, things that need to happen at some point:

-> reread day1
-> vcs
-> isos of all flipped scum
-> iso of enigma

probably other things i'm not thinking of rn

[ruru]

Enigma:

it makes perfect sense for enigma to shoot korina:
- alonzo rbs korina -> nk doesn't matter
- alonzo doesn't rb enigma -> he almost certainly rbs korina, korina is conftowned

you meant 'alonzo rbs enigma' there, right?

so you're saying his motive to kill korina is to prevent him from being conftowned?
ie, say, he would have otherwise shot me and alonzo rb'd korina and korina is now conftown, right?

yes

- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives

explain this again?

by hypo-innos

- he would be a traitor with no mods, but he wouldn't know that, so he also has to deal with the possibility of there being multiple prs in {korina, ruru, skitter}
- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
- he'd risk getting shot by groupscum if the bujaber lynch didn't go through

why are you assuming traitor!alonzo and not groupscum-alonzo-with-daytalk?

there's no 4th pr claim

[skitter30]

got it

[skitter30]

traitor!alonzo means no mods at all

[skitter30]

FrankJaeger (5): Almost50, Vex Vience, skitter30, Creature, Enigma (L-2)

ok if scum were on this it's enigma

ceejayvinoya (5): the worst, Creature, Almost50, ruru, skitter30 (L-2)

and if scum on here, ruru; enigma was still on frank

enigma would have to have vote-parked his partner (bujaber) from 1250 to 1522, to join not_mafia on the one-vote tw wagon

Not_Mafia (7): the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami LYNCH

scum here is ruru or enigma

VOTE COUNT 2.6

Alonzo (4):

Enigma, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience

(L-2)

the worst (1):

Gamma Emerald

ruru (0):

BuJaber (0):

Enigma (0):

ejjinami (0):

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (4):

Creature, Bujaber, Alonzo, the worst

(L-2)

skitter30 (0):

Vex Vience (0):

Not Voting (1):

ejjinami

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to lynch.
Day 2 ends in (expired on 2018-10-02 10:30:00)

Other:

- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays
- skitter30 V/LA until Wednesday morning
- Gamma Emerald has been prodded
- ejjinami still needs to be replaced :c If you know anyone looking for a game, let them know

That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.

If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.

the above two indicative of town!alonzo i'm pretty sure

VOTE COUNT 2.12

Enigma (3):

Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald, Bujaber

Creature (0):

Gamma Emerald (4):

Creature, skitter30, ruru, Korina

(L-2)

VOTE COUNT 2.13

Enigma (2):

Irrelephant11, Gamma Emerald

Gamma Emerald (6):

Creature, skitter30, ruru, Korina, BuJaber, the worst

HAMMER

slightly indicative of scum!enigma

but bujaber consistently went back to pushing enigma so hmmm

like here:

VOTE COUNT 3.1

Alonzo (0):

Enigma (3):

BuJaber, Irrelephant11, the worst

(L-2)

Not Voting (5):

Alonzo, ruru, Enigma, skitter30, Korina

like enigma feels like bujaber's chosen mislycnh tbh

VOTE COUNT 3.13

Alonzo (0):

Performer (0):

ruru (0):

BuJaber (3):

Irrelephant11, skitter30, Alonzo

(L-2)

Enigma (1):

BuJaber

Not Voting (3):

Enigma, Korina, ruru

this one too

i don't think enigma and buajber are groupscum really

Irrelephant11 (4): ruru, Performer, Enigma, Alonzo HAMMER

i have to go back and look at this in greater depth becuase not-flipped scum is guaranteed to be on this

ok those are my notes wrt enigma's votes

[ofrhz]

VOTE COUNT 6.1

Not Voting (4):

Alonzo, ruru, Enigma, skitter30

With

4

alive, it takes

3

to kill.
Day 6 ends in (expired on 2018-11-12 15:30:00)

Other:
- skitter30 V/LA Fridays and Saturdays

[skitter30]

Ruru why are u town?

[ruru]

how am I

not

town? do you seriously think this is my scumgame?

[skitter30]

More like its mylo and i feel like i have to do my due diligence and check all the possibilities.

Admittedly i think this is the least likely but i would feel kinda silly losing to scum!you because i was so pocketed that i didnt bother to re-evaluate

And still being alive makes me worries about being pocketed

And last night while looking at the vcs i more than once thought to myself 'that's an all town wagon' with you on it and like thats a bad mindset to have in mylo

Is it at all likely that scum!you would have made up the bg claim?

[ruru]

no, not unless I was super stressed out and not thinking straight

[skitter30]

Right, the newbie

Ok, holistically, what do u think scum were doing the past three nights? Like what do u think the plan was?

[ruru]

but the whole massclaim thing was my idea and I was widely townread so...

also my claim order ensured bujaber got lynched d3 and didn't get to fakeclaim so I was setting up this poe situation where my claim looks weird which is way harder than I'd have to try as scum

like I could literally just push massclaim because almost everyone seemed to agree, claim vt, bus bujaber, shoot alonzo, lynch irrel+performer, and the game would be over by now instead of 3:1

also as scum I would've shot you or lynched you by now

[ruru]

so, I don't really understand scum's play in this game

but I don't think nokilling two nights in a row is as bad as it looks for {enigma, you}

scum didn't have many good options after d3

like I don't know really what

should

have been done either and some paranoia situation where the players who are alive are alive seems viable to me

[ruru]

I admit that "alonzo gamethrew" would perfectly explain our current situation and why enigma has felt like designated mislynch all game

[ruru]

have I mentioned I hate this game

[skitter30]

like I could literally just push massclaim because almost everyone seemed to agree, claim vt, bus bujaber, shoot alonzo, lynch irrel+performer, and the game would be over by now instead of 3:1

fair point

[skitter30]

like i'm just wondering ... who does the 2x no-kill benefit? presumably it was pre-mediatated (that or scum just forgot to nk twice i suppose)

let's assume alonzo is telling the truth and is an rb:

-> ruru no-killed to prevent having to explain why alonzo is dead and she isn't (but she coudl have avoided this problem by claiming vt and nk'ing alonzo, especially since she claimed after him)

-> enigma no-killed ... to avoid having a rb guilty on him or an inno on (who we now know to be performer). like hte obvious kills for him are ruru -> alonzo -> me prob? like killling korina last night given the prior days kinda makes sense but it doesn't make sense if we look at all three days holistically. i think he just wants the game to end and to do that presumably there's no reason why he doesn't just make the obvious kills; i guess he'd have an inno from the night he killed ruru (so on day4 there'd be 6 players; an rb claim and an inno maybe) and maybe another inno from the night he killed alonzo (on day5 at least one inno, maybe two, in 4way). ok i guess it's possible that he purposefully no-killed to prevent 4way mylo with 1-2 innos but like ... he doesn't really strike me as the type of person to be this inventive. like htis is hte kind of plan i could see ruru cooking up maybe (if she hadn't claimed bg etc) but most people i don't think think about the game this way

it might just be alonzo actually
-> he expects to die the night after you so he can't kill you (he had a post a bit up saying 'someone wants ruru alive')
-> but why did he claim rb in the first place ... he had to know that he'd be questioned for being alive this long
-> by giving 'rb-guilties' he got at least one mislynch out of it, and again, the fact that there hasn't been a rb inno anywhere (or even a demonstrable rb in 5 nights) is incredibly strange.
-> however to fake an rb on enigma n2 he had to be banking on enigma not being a pr
-> like from scum!alonzo's perspective: he's avoided giving innos for three nights and got the performer mislynch out of the double 'rb-guilty'
-> he's also kinda dropped off the map contribution-wise for the last several dayphases now that i think about it and has mostly been sheeping the popular wagons

[skitter30]

also i need to skim bujaber's iso again but enigma was his designated lynch
they def aren't groupscum together

they're maybe groupscum/traitor

[skitter30]

i think alonzo has been kinda coasting off of the rb claim, and i think no-killing to give out 'guilties' and to avoid giving out 'innos' makes sense

i don't know if it makes sense for him to have claimed it in the first place tho

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Alonzo - who did you target?

Who did you target?

FMPOV we should nolynch this out, I could then Pick either the same target as last night or a different player and see the results then.

Im not 100% sure Scum didn't no kill last night to force a mislynch today. I'd like to run it twice.

VOTE: PERFORMER

Blocked here last night.

Whats happening??

Who's the Lynch?

I will re read Both slots to see if I missed anything. got a few days now.

Fair.

I'l drop hammer in around 20 hours unless anyone wants more time?

Vote: Irrel

I blocked performer again

This is outside of performers scum range as I understand it.
Pretty sure it's Korina at this point.

VOTE: Performer

This is against my better nature. I think Performers put in a good shift, but the evidence is what it is.

L-1

Where's nm when you need him

I keep him chained up in the basement!

Who else would be scum then?

Has this been answered?

Fmpov..
I think flipping you is important so we can get a better idea about TWs thought process in this one.

Pretty sure town will win this the hard way, sadly gotta slay some townies along the way.

I'm not convinced you are scum based off play, but gotta think of the majority trying to solve.

Don't want to go too deep on the others incase scum work out my block for tonight.

Go ahead skitter

Someone wants you Alive ruru...

I Rb'd Korina

Guess all I can do is one more roleblock and hope you aren't fakeclaiming bodyguard ruru.

Probably shoulda doubled down on Enigma last night.

Whos up for some rapid no lynch action?

I kinda shared TW's opinion that alot of the VV iso was kinda hollow, just throwawy thoughts for the sake of throwaway thoughts. Coupled with the performer flip I thought I'd dig into it, as Korina wasn't as active and started to tell more like they did in 720 when they were scum.

Kinda silly in hindsight but it felt like a fresh lead at the time

N2 enigma- scum kiled n3/4 performer IIRC

Whats your read on Enigma ruru?

you seemed happier to push Irrel/Performer wagons last coupe of days?

everything alonzo said since hte bujaber lynch ^^^^ and it's surprisingly devoid of content imo

he was on both irrel and performer for weak reasons. not sure why he switched off of performer onto irrel after the first rb guilty on performer

3148 (day5) - he says that performer is out of his scumrange, but votes him anyways; doesn't think he's scum but voted him to help 'the majority trying to solve' which is meh

today he's building towards a 'ruru is fake-claiming bg' push