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you meant 'alonzo rbs enigma' there, right?In post 3231, ruru wrote:Enigma:
it makes perfect sense for enigma to shoot korina:
- alonzo rbs korina -> nk doesn't matter
- alonzo doesn't rb enigma -> he almost certainly rbs korina, korina is conftowned
so you're saying his motive to kill korina is to prevent him from being conftowned?
ie, say, he would have otherwise shot me and alonzo rb'd korina and korina is now conftown, right?-
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explain this again?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives-
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why are you assuming traitor!alonzo and not groupscum-alonzo-with-daytalk?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he would be a traitor with no mods, but he wouldn't know that, so he also has to deal with the possibility of there being multiple prs in {korina, ruru, skitter}
- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
- he'd risk getting shot by groupscum if the bujaber lynch didn't go through-
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both of you being alive i don't inherently find strangeIn post 3231, ruru wrote:about me and alonzo being alive, I guess it's less notable than it looks:
i think it's incredibly odd that the bg is not dead after three nights and that the jk has had no observable night actions in that time-
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yesIn post 3251, skitter30 wrote:
you meant 'alonzo rbs enigma' there, right?In post 3231, ruru wrote:Enigma:
it makes perfect sense for enigma to shoot korina:
- alonzo rbs korina -> nk doesn't matter
- alonzo doesn't rb enigma -> he almost certainly rbs korina, korina is conftowned
so you're saying his motive to kill korina is to prevent him from being conftowned?
ie, say, he would have otherwise shot me and alonzo rb'd korina and korina is now conftown, right?
by hypo-innosIn post 3252, skitter30 wrote:
explain this again?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
there's no 4th pr claimIn post 3253, skitter30 wrote:
why are you assuming traitor!alonzo and not groupscum-alonzo-with-daytalk?In post 3231, ruru wrote:- he would be a traitor with no mods, but he wouldn't know that, so he also has to deal with the possibility of there being multiple prs in {korina, ruru, skitter}
- he'd know korina isn't gc, possibly not tracker/rb if bujaber did the n2 kill, but skitter and I were both viable investigatives
- he'd risk getting shot by groupscum if the bujaber lynch didn't go through-
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ok if scum were on this it's enigmaIn post 800, ofrhz wrote:FrankJaeger (5): Almost50, Vex Vience, skitter30, Creature, Enigma (L-2)
and if scum on here, ruru; enigma was still on frankIn post 990, ofrhz wrote:ceejayvinoya (5): the worst, Creature, Almost50, ruru, skitter30 (L-2)
enigma would have to have vote-parked his partner (bujaber) from 1250 to 1522, to join not_mafia on the one-vote tw wagon
scum here is ruru or enigmaIn post 1559, ofrhz wrote:Not_Mafia (7): the worst, ruru, skitter30, Vex Vience, Creature, Enigma, ejjinami LYNCH
In post 1823, ofrhz wrote:
the above two indicative of town!alonzo i'm pretty sureIn post 1831, BuJaber wrote:That is more indicative of there being a wagon on scum right now.
If everyone, town and scum alike, are posting very little scum cannot bus and risk a quick hammer from the absent townies. They cannot aggressively push the counterwagon because as soon as a mislynch occurs the other player would be a prime suspect.
In post 2233, ofrhz wrote:
slightly indicative of scum!enigmaIn post 2248, ofrhz wrote:
but bujaber consistently went back to pushing enigma so hmmm
like here:
like enigma feels like bujaber's chosen mislycnh tbhIn post 2292, ofrhz wrote:
this one tooIn post 2857, ofrhz wrote:
i don't think enigma and buajber are groupscum really
i have to go back and look at this in greater depth becuase not-flipped scum is guaranteed to be on thisIn post 3135, ofrhz wrote:Irrelephant11 (4): ruru, Performer, Enigma, Alonzo HAMMER
ok those are my notes wrt enigma's votes-
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More like its mylo and i feel like i have to do my due diligence and check all the possibilities.
Admittedly i think this is the least likely but i would feel kinda silly losing to scum!you because i was so pocketed that i didnt bother to re-evaluate
And still being alive makes me worries about being pocketed
And last night while looking at the vcs i more than once thought to myself 'that's an all town wagon' with you on it and like thats a bad mindset to have in mylo
Is it at all likely that scum!you would have made up the bg claim?-
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but the whole massclaim thing was my idea and I was widely townread so...
also my claim order ensured bujaber got lynched d3 and didn't get to fakeclaim so I was setting up this poe situation where my claim looks weird which is way harder than I'd have to try as scum
like I could literally just push massclaim because almost everyone seemed to agree, claim vt, bus bujaber, shoot alonzo, lynch irrel+performer, and the game would be over by now instead of 3:1
also as scum I would've shot you or lynched you by now-
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so, I don't really understand scum's play in this game
but I don't think nokilling two nights in a row is as bad as it looks for {enigma, you}
scum didn't have many good options after d3
like I don't know really whatshouldhave been done either and some paranoia situation where the players who are alive are alive seems viable to me-
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fair pointIn post 3266, ruru wrote:like I could literally just push massclaim because almost everyone seemed to agree, claim vt, bus bujaber, shoot alonzo, lynch irrel+performer, and the game would be over by now instead of 3:1-
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like i'm just wondering ... who does the 2x no-kill benefit? presumably it was pre-mediatated (that or scum just forgot to nk twice i suppose)
let's assume alonzo is telling the truth and is an rb:
-> ruru no-killed to prevent having to explain why alonzo is dead and she isn't (but she coudl have avoided this problem by claiming vt and nk'ing alonzo, especially since she claimed after him)
-> enigma no-killed ... to avoid having a rb guilty on him or an inno on (who we now know to be performer). like hte obvious kills for him are ruru -> alonzo -> me prob? like killling korina last night given the prior days kinda makes sense but it doesn't make sense if we look at all three days holistically. i think he just wants the game to end and to do that presumably there's no reason why he doesn't just make the obvious kills; i guess he'd have an inno from the night he killed ruru (so on day4 there'd be 6 players; an rb claim and an inno maybe) and maybe another inno from the night he killed alonzo (on day5 at least one inno, maybe two, in 4way). ok i guess it's possible that he purposefully no-killed to prevent 4way mylo with 1-2 innos but like ... he doesn't really strike me as the type of person to be this inventive. like htis is hte kind of plan i could see ruru cooking up maybe (if she hadn't claimed bg etc) but most people i don't think think about the game this way
it might just be alonzo actually
-> he expects to die the night after you so he can't kill you (he had a post a bit up saying 'someone wants ruru alive')
-> but why did he claim rb in the first place ... he had to know that he'd be questioned for being alive this long
-> by giving 'rb-guilties' he got at least one mislynch out of it, and again, the fact that there hasn't been a rb inno anywhere (or even a demonstrable rb in 5 nights) is incredibly strange.
-> however to fake an rb on enigma n2 he had to be banking on enigma not being a pr
-> like from scum!alonzo's perspective: he's avoided giving innos for three nights and got the performer mislynch out of the double 'rb-guilty'
-> he's also kinda dropped off the map contribution-wise for the last several dayphases now that i think about it and has mostly been sheeping the popular wagons-
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everything alonzo said since hte bujaber lynch ^^^^ and it's surprisingly devoid of content imo
he was on both irrel and performer for weak reasons. not sure why he switched off of performer onto irrel after the first rb guilty on performer
3148 (day5) - he says that performer is out of his scumrange, but votes him anyways; doesn't think he's scum but voted him to help 'the majority trying to solve' which is meh
today he's building towards a 'ruru is fake-claiming bg' push
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