As in thinking there is a strongman. But I might be wrong according to the elaborations . Anyway , I should shelve it for my own notes .In post 1474, ofrhz wrote:One what? One scum?In post 1471, Performer wrote:Hm. Interesting interactions between FL, GE, AP. I keep thinking that there is one based on the flipped information for flubb & dva, as well as having an IC. Maybe I'm mistaken.
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Idk his case on AP was weird and not good. If I thought two of my three scumreads from d1 were likely wrong, the first thing I’d do coming out of the game in d2 isn’t to case my third remaining scumread from d1. Like maybe that’s just me.In post 1454, RCEnigma wrote: Do you have anything for a case against maxous in particular? Or did you just want to have two wagons?
Dva was also scumreading him yesterday though I don’t think she ever said why ( ), and I’m kind of sheeping this right now since her reads are >rand
I should probably do a metadive on max at some point but I’m kind of lazy rn
It’s not that I want two wagons running against each other necessarily. I don’t really like either the AP or the profii wagon
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- Based on a skim of flubber’s last two scumgames, he doesn’t seem inclined to throw his partners into the spotlight like he sort of did with AP yesterday.
- AP’s reasoning behind his flubb vote was that he had no strong scumreads. I think that’s an okay reason to jump on a wagon, so idk why max said AP voted without explanation there. And maybe it’s just me, but it wasn’t obvious that the Flubbernugget wagon was going to take off when AP jumped on.
- Also this is kind of a stretch but AP knows I’m an easy mislynch, especially when I’m under pressure, so I guess him not jumping on my counterwagon earns him another townpoint.
Profii:
- Flubber’s interactions with profii didn’t seem partner-y. Idk how to explain that further lol
- If you go into profii’s post history, he consistently uses the word “informed” in lieu of “tmi” throughout all of his games. So I don’t think him throwing out the word is a good reason to scumread him
I’m basically looking for a better wagon than these two rn-
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Who says you're in my scum pool? I said ONE scum in that pool, so why do you think it refers to you in precise?In post 1472, Performer wrote:@AP other than max/prof/me, what's your scum pool looking like now.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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@Performer: From the wiki..
"Rolestoppers are considered Normal on mafiascum.net. A Rolestopper cannot block a Strongman from committing a kill, but blocks all other roles from targeting the same person as them."
This is a NORMAL, and there's been talk about having a standard role PM for each Normal Role. As such, it could very well be the mod decided to use as close a phrasing as it is to the role description in the wiki for the lack of an existing standard PM on the wiki page. I also could be wrong.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Do you have a particular scum read?In post 1477, AP wrote:
Who says you're in my scum pool? I said ONE scum in that pool, so why do you think it refers to you in precise?In post 1472, Performer wrote:@AP other than max/prof/me, what's your scum pool looking like now.-
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In post 1479, profii wrote:
Do you have a particular scum read?In post 1477, AP wrote:
Who says you're in my scum pool? I said ONE scum in that pool, so why do you think it refers to you in precise?In post 1472, Performer wrote:@AP other than max/prof/me, what's your scum pool looking like now.I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum.-Morality
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I am leaning Maxous over you two. Performer's views today look too weird to come from scum, whether informed or not. They're drawing way too much attention his way for no good reason. Profii I am less certain about because he voted me then flipped on Maxous. I dunno if that was a thoughtless town move or an elaborate scum move, but I'm still leaning the former and I am not yet ready to vote him either.
Maxous' leading the wagon on me and doubling down on an already bad case with more bad arguments is yucky. Looks like scum who shot themselves in the foot and can't find a way to retract.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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In post 1483, xx2008 wrote:Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.
These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.In post 1484, xx2008 wrote:@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?
I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.
AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.I’m an informed Miller who knows there isn’t any Loyal modifiers and there is a total of 4 scum.-Morality
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I was the IC for like two of xx’s newbie games, and I ended tunneling him both times, and he was the both times.
Here I’m lowkey town reading him, so idk if that means he’s scum.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Why do you think they are weird questions? I have heard of the IC role under a different name before, but I have never heard of a strongman. I didn't think it was much of a different role at first, but things started to get a little confusing, so that's why I asked.In post 1485, Performer wrote:In post 1483, xx2008 wrote:Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.
These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.In post 1484, xx2008 wrote:@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?
I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.
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get well soonIn post 1487, Carcalilly wrote:Prodge, not feeling too good today, I'll try to post something meaningful tomorrow-
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Ahh yeah this will have different roles. The use of IC in this game means Innocent Child, and yes it just means FL was revealed by mod to be town. Strongman can attack through protections.In post 1490, xx2008 wrote:I haven't played games this large before, so this is a pretty new experience. Newbie-type games I have been playing before I joined mafiascum.
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Yeah, Innocent Child is the IC we’re referring to here. Basically just means ‘mod confirmed town’CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I have no idea where he came up with these questions nor why he kept silent about them for so long. OK, strongman was only brought up today, but IC was revealed at the start of the game, so why did he wait for a whole game day and then a game night to remember to ask now.In post 1485, Performer wrote:AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.
Furthermore, he could've asked the mod what IC meant here.
My tinfoil theory now is he waited for the night phase to ask his scum buddies and they thought it was a good idea that he would ask these questions (or rather the one about the IC in particular) in thread to appear clueless. But this also means the scum team is fairly inexperienced because any experienced player would know it looks hella weird.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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This has nothing to do with the fact you slept on the IC question for the entire cycle (D1/N1) and suddenly remembered to ask now!! It wasn't even something you could have overlooked and only tripped over while rereading. It was literally the first act of the game.In post 1490, xx2008 wrote:I haven't played games this large before, so this is a pretty new experience. Newbie-type games I have been playing before I joined mafiascum.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I think scum reading Xx for not knowing IC in this context isn’t the right path. I’m town reading him for it.
On top of that, I was literally the IC, inexperience challenged, for both newbie games that Xx played in.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I understand his thought process here.
I’m ingrained in his head as IC, so when it was being talked about it differently here, it makes sense for him to ask us directly. I also think as scum, he’d have put it together, and him asking us in thread is actually townie, but not scum projecting townie townie.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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I can tell you my exact thought process as I read the the thread following start day 2In post 1482, AP wrote:I am leaning Maxous over you two. Performer's views today look too weird to come from scum, whether informed or not. They're drawing way too much attention his way for no good reason. Profii I am less certain about because he voted me then flipped on Maxous. I dunno if that was a thoughtless town move or an elaborate scum move, but I'm still leaning the former and I am not yet ready to vote him either.
Maxous' leading the wagon on me and doubling down on an already bad case with more bad arguments is yucky. Looks like scum who shot themselves in the foot and can't find a way to retract.
1. Day 1 too long to reread, can’t be bothered let other people point stuff out
2. Saudade is actively sheeping FL still and nothing else. We should remove this from the game as it will be scum seeing how long he can coast for - I am p. Sure I have seen Saudade himself admit he did this in a scum game once, so hence the vote - alsothis would be a great vig shot
3. Maxous made a push on you which looked good on the face of it, so I voted, no one seemed to be going Saudade
4. I did actually check Maxous ISO and his case on you became quite ironic as he did all the things he said you did, but worse imo
On reflection - I’m voting Maxous as a compromise to work with people, Saudade is the best lynch but people need to think about it - might go and find that previous game where Saudade said he scum coasted and got away with it-
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So his sheeping FL day one was ok, but you voted him day 1. Now that vote was serious. While I agree saudade isn't productive, I don't think it's a good lynch yet. I don't think Maxous is a good lynch now either.In post 1498, profii wrote:
I can tell you my exact thought process as I read the the thread following start day 2In post 1482, AP wrote:I am leaning Maxous over you two. Performer's views today look too weird to come from scum, whether informed or not. They're drawing way too much attention his way for no good reason. Profii I am less certain about because he voted me then flipped on Maxous. I dunno if that was a thoughtless town move or an elaborate scum move, but I'm still leaning the former and I am not yet ready to vote him either.
Maxous' leading the wagon on me and doubling down on an already bad case with more bad arguments is yucky. Looks like scum who shot themselves in the foot and can't find a way to retract.
1. Day 1 too long to reread, can’t be bothered let other people point stuff out
2. Saudade is actively sheeping FL still and nothing else. We should remove this from the game as it will be scum seeing how long he can coast for - I am p. Sure I have seen Saudade himself admit he did this in a scum game once, so hence the vote - alsothis would be a great vig shot
3. Maxous made a push on you which looked good on the face of it, so I voted, no one seemed to be going Saudade
4. I did actually check Maxous ISO and his case on you became quite ironic as he did all the things he said you did, but worse imo
On reflection - I’m voting Maxous as a compromise to work with people, Saudade is the best lynch but people need to think about it - might go and find that previous game where Saudade said he scum coasted and got away with it
Every reason I scumread him for (except a read on Shattiel that ties them) has been addressed and I like his early activity.
I feel like a lot of my reads have flipped and a lot of scum may be lurking in my town pile. I'll still keep dvas masonblock alive though.
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