Large Normal 216 - Endgame

[RCEnigma]

Xx2k is probably town too for the IC comments. Pushing him as scum for it is pretty weak. Even as AP I expect better play than this.

[ofrhz]

Does IC mean a role that is revealed at the start of the game?
What does a strongman do?
I haven't heard of them before, but I always keep forgetting to ask.

@fl, you hammered flubber day1 very quickly without waiting for his claim. Were there any reasons other than the ones you stated day1 for doing so?

These are very, very weird questions to ask. Anyway, an IC revealed means that person is the designated Inexperienced Challenged guy for the game. A strongman just means a role that is strong enough that, if he targets a tpr, he ends up wiping out the rest of the tprs in the game. Sad and super powerful , I know.

I reviewed Varsoon, FL, and your game where you were tpr Town Tracker with my friend James Doakes the jk. I didn't get a newbie vibe like the one you have in this game. GE somehow tr on you and I don't recall ap mentioning a read on you.

AP what do you think of xx & my case on him. He's in my scum pool. Why on earth he wavered on you and flubb, is suspicious.

Why do you think they are weird questions?

I have heard of the IC role under a different name before,

but I have never heard of a strongman. I didn't think it was much of a different role at first, but things started to get a little confusing, so that's why I asked.

Just curious, was the other name for IC that you had encountered previously?

[ofrhz]

Is it just me or does xx’s response make no sense there

[Gamma Emerald]

Pretty sure he meant Inexperience Challenged but if he meant something else he’s welcome to say so

[ofrhz]

Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged

So xx has encountered yet another IC acronym on this site?

[ofrhz]

Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged

So xx has encountered yet another IC acronym on this site?

*in

[RCEnigma]

In the newbie queue slots are marked as se/ic on the main post. Here it isn't marked as such but IC keeps being brought up in different context. Which is where I think it's confusing him.

[profii]

So his sheeping FL day one was ok, but you voted him day 1

I've never been happy that Saudade doesn't want to scum hunt hence votes on d1 & d2

[profii]

In the newbie queue slots are marked as se/ic on the main post. Here it isn't marked as such but IC keeps being brought up in different context. Which is where I think it's confusing him.

this seems a fair appraisal

[RCEnigma]

If we are voting outside of the flubber wagon (I think we should) I would prefer in the pool of Shattiel/Nero/Sephiroth

[Maxous]

There's nobody off the Flubber wagon I would want to wagon right now tbh.
Well Saudade is whatever, waste of a lynch, vig fodder maybe.

I think its almost certain he would of been chucked under the bus anyway, particularly in the latter half of day 1

[RCEnigma]

Really? You don't think Shortaru was light defending flubber in his catch up?

If AP disappeared from the game who's next up in your list?

I agree a lynch on saudade is a waste today.

[Carcalilly]

I need more time to try and sort Maxous, FA_Q2 & Flubber.

Early game, he just says he can't sort Flubber

I can sheep ofrhz because I'm too lazy to make my own case but I didn't like flubbers posts to begin with :>

VOTE: flubbernugget

Vote fixed. Please try to vote correctly.

So this means Flubber is Town. Right?

a little chainsaw defence of Flubber here.

My vote isn't doing much on Carca

UNVOTE:

I am firmly against the Seph wagon. I can vote either Flubber or Shattiel, but I dislike Carca on the former and Flubber himself on the latter.

I will wait to see how both wagons build to decide between the two.

I won't be voting Seph under any circumstances though.

Considering Flubber did flip scum, that bolded looks real bad.
Didn't want to jump on Flubber if he didn't need to but didn't want to be caught on the counter-wagon.

VOTE: Flubbernugget
I remember getting scumpings from this, and I don’t wanna vanity vote rn

Permission to sheep (and I will already assume permission granted)

VOTE: Flubber

this is the vote, for no reason.

I'll sheep this, it's good
VOTE: AP

[Carcalilly]

Not caught up but intend to get caught up when I can
I know I am townreading xx200Late, I distrust Sephiroth for being so buddy-buddy with Flubber, but beyond that I’m not too sure

Gamma might be town...

[profii]

I would prefer in the pool of Shattiel/Nero/Sephiroth

Let's see:

Nero (Creature/Short)

Spoiler: words

Creature listed flubbers posts as 2-2-0 G-A-R when he was doing that shtick.
random list in 702 creature willing to lynch flubber, but was also willing to lynch a wide range of players.
716 the list got whittled down a bit, flubber was still in the final 5 but creature prefers Seph, a scum!nero flip would indicate seph being a counter wagon here I guess.
728 *if anyone checks these things, go back and read this in context* - DVa was trying to round up the gang to wagon and ofrhz pointed out Seph was VLA so flubber was better, which makes 728 a weird comment.
774 bit weird that creature claims his list was ordered and our IC FL was 3rd bottom idk what this means

*Insert Shortaru*

1217 picks up straight away flubber is a strong lynch contender, would obviously now look for signs of concern if short is scum
1225 & 1226 challenges flubbers logic on scum theatre...
1228 & 1229 doesn't like the naked vote on flubber, despite last notable posts challenging flubber.
1258 asks for a case on flubber, picks up that it is active lurking then tries to say is that just flubbers way
1274 a case on xx2008 - if I'm looking for scum in this iso, you could say this is a distraction.


*Nero*
made 1 post.... blah

Ok so Shattiel

Spoiler: words

initially calls out Flubber as noob-style
He spends a lot of time messing about with what role/modifier he might be
Makes a case on xx2008 at 514 - mental note, much earlier than shorts...
The biggest running theme is soft defences of Creature.
945 mental note - go check the vote count here, pretty good scum call here, if there is any pressure on flubber you'd probably not bus that hard on day 1. I like this post.
1317 I never like these restrictions of lynch pools, especially now we know flub was red.
1328 wont random lynch there - seems weird if 1 scum is in a pool of 4, rather than finding maybe 4 in 19.

and finally Seph

Spoiler: blah

first of all, mental note having been through those 2 ISOs above,those 2 town read seph quite a bit so idk lets see how this goes...

initial pressure is on creature and his record keeping.
then the big 1v1 vs Nos.
but then again this is a slot that doesn't really go anywhere in particular, there is a comment towards the end regarding flubber and seph specifically say not trying to dismiss the wagon but Seph claims to be good at scum, so this ~could~ be a better way of doing what short was trying to do

I'd probably say Nero looks scummy (thanks to Short more than anything), the other 2 not so much.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Maxous


Feels right

You're worrying me slightly but I see where you're coming from.

AP makes me more paranoid, he seems like a much better player than what you can see for now.

[Carcalilly]

VOTE: Profii
I was going to wait for a reaction but I changed my mind and feel it would be better to apply pressure. Espically after

This I don't like as it's trying to explain creatures actions despite him saying earlier it's better to ask why.

I dont get this.

Profii made worthwhile accusations that people should be thinking about as the game progresses.

Flubber was passively defensive of profii as well but never really gives profii a town read or mention after I put profii in the lime light. It seems like a topic he wanted to avoid.

Since you're my goto town I may make you a double voter day 3 if this wagon doesn't go through today.

[Carcalilly]

What we do Leaf

[profii]

VOTE: Maxous


Feels right

You're worrying me slightly but I see where you're coming from.

AP makes me more paranoid, he seems like a much better player than what you can see for now.

seems like Maxous is doing everything he is criticising AP for but worse than then case Maxous actually made, so if that's a reason to lynch someone...

But I think I'm gonna go Nero

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Carcalilly]

Snip
Carca where are you.

I'm here!! You're so town

[Carcalilly]

Note to self: if scum had a rolecop, strongman, and informed, that would actually make a ton of sense considering the flipped rolestopper with an IC.

Seriously, I don't care anymore. I don't care about the game outcome, and I don't care about how I look to you (or anyone else). I just want to understand how this brain of yours work, so please help me with this one:

What does a ROLECOP have to do with a NIGHT ONE kill target? Do you think scum also had a N0 investigation?? (Hint: that'd be explicitly non-Normal). If not, then what the hell does the Role Cop have to do with anything? And why does Strongman mean they kill someone else other than the IC? And how the hell did they know whom to shoot exactly? Unless you think Informed = has access to the modding PT!!!!

So, please take me by the hand through this statement bit by bit, because now I feel overly stupid. Thanks.

[Carcalilly]

Prodge, not feeling too good today, I'll try to post something meaningful tomorrow

get well soon

<3

[Shattiel]

Hi Gonna look at flubb's iso now

[Shattiel]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
It’s an Innocent Child Scum obviously


What’s up, Xx, Profii, Flubber, RCE, Nos, Creature, FL?

Hi

Fix your vote

Fine
VOTE: Flubbernugget
For telling me what to do.

good look for Saudade's slot here

[Shattiel]

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

What up

Someone do me a favour. I pretty much stick to 13p games where there is typically 3 scum - what is typical here please? I want to work on the basis there are likely X scum until evidence shows otherwise

Do you really need to call a scumteam d1?

Do you think anyone could possibly do that?

No

Which is why I'm curious as to why you need to work from that basis

profii town