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Post Post #1600 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:10 am

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MariaR:
Almost50: Dunnstral [1]
Dunnstral: Purrcocet, Chara, Ruby Red, Almost50 [4]
Kokichi Oma:
Elsa Jay:
Lady Angel:
the worst:
Ruby Red: Performer [1]
Purrcocet:
Carcalilly:
Performer: Elsa Jay, Carcalilly [3]
Chara:
Snowman: the worst, Alonzo [2]
Alonzo: MariaR, Snowman, Kokichi Oma [3]

Not Voting: Lady Angel

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-11-17 18:38:36) :!:
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Post Post #1601 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:26 am

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If you're not voting Dunn then you're no lynching.

I assume the consensus even agrees Ruby's town now which means the people defending Dunn have to explain that giant area of bullshit that makes up his Ruby scumread
Which his defense got reduced into "statistically Creature is scum"

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Post Post #1602 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:30 am

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In post 1595, Almost50 wrote:@EJ: Form a pure mechanical PoV, you are the best D1 lynch. If we want to trust our investigative/informative results and not give anyone a chance to manipulate them your role should be taken out.

And you also know that leaves this discussion for day 2 because either way, scum are garunteed to leave Dunn and Red clashing until we kill one of them. Hanging me just delays this more and gives Dunn a better damn leg to stand on when going for YOU.

"Let's hang Elsa. Oops, they were exactly what they said they were. How about Dunn? Ah, he flipped town. Guess we can fall back on that Performer/Almost Lynch. Well fuck."
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Post Post #1603 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:21 am

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Oh we have a full day. Game is eternal
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
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Post Post #1604 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:31 am

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In post 1602, Elsa Jay wrote:And you also know that leaves this discussion for day 2 because either way, scum are garunteed to leave Dunn and Red clashing until we kill one of them. Hanging me just delays this more and
gives Dunn a better damn leg to stand on when going for YOU.


"Let's hang Elsa. Oops, they were exactly what they said they were.
How about Dunn? Ah, he flipped town.
Guess we can fall back on that Performer/Almost Lynch. Well fuck."
So, Dunn' going to come for me after he gets lynched and flipped? :shifty:

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Post Post #1605 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:41 am

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I didn't say he's succeed. Just that his case would hold more weight against you later on.
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Post Post #1606 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:00 am

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Your arguments are getting sillier by the minute!! Tell me why should I care if someone's case on me holds any weight at all? Me getting lynched despite making the mechanically correct play would be on others, not on me. And, what difference does it make if we lynch Dunn today and you tomorrow or the other way around?

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Post Post #1607 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:03 am

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Because hanging 2 townies in a row is generally considered bad for town.
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Post Post #1608 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:19 am

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In post 1602, Elsa Jay wrote:"Let's hang Elsa. Oops, they were exactly what they said they were. How about Dunn? Ah, he flipped town. Guess we can fall back on that Performer/Almost Lynch. Well fuck."
why are Performer and Almost together?
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Post Post #1609 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:36 am

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In post 1340, Ruby Red wrote:anime betrayal
:lol:
Gin & Aizen, anyone? Two of the best characters in anime.
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Post Post #1610 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:39 am

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In post 1489, Ruby Red wrote:spicy takes.

{elsa,
dunn
, alonzo,
snowman
, A50} is the game winning wolf poe.
fixed
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Post Post #1611 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:48 am

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In post 1529, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1526, the worst wrote:Based on what I know I can't support Ruby's wagon in good faith. Take it how you will

It's pretty much you or Snowman for me, if you think Ruby is hard scum and Snowman is hard town find me a better candidate? There should be another 2 or maybe 3 scum
Lady Angel, Performer
In post 1532, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1525, Kokichi Oma wrote:
In post 1495, Dunnstral wrote:{Kokichi, MariaR, Ruby Red, Almost50, Alonzo, Lady Angel, Performer, the worst}
looool what is this?
scum poe
wow. VOTE: Dunnstral

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Post Post #1612 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:51 am

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In post 1608, Chara wrote:
In post 1602, Elsa Jay wrote:"Let's hang Elsa. Oops, they were exactly what they said they were. How about Dunn? Ah, he flipped town. Guess we can fall back on that Performer/Almost Lynch. Well fuck."
why are Performer and Almost together?
because since we're the last 2 scum team members, we will win it easily
*high fives Almost50*
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Post Post #1613 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:52 am

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In post 1080, Carcalilly wrote:I can't do this anymore
Carca my mason partner, vote with me please. :]
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Post Post #1614 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:00 am

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The worst, I'm not sure what you're scum-reading me for from the 28% of posts of mine you've seen. The biggest take-away I got was that you think my questions are dumb and stupid, but that just seems like a disagreement in scum-hunting.

Meant to do this yesterday, but I got caught up in other things, so here's my case on the Manatee/Alonzo slot, split across multiple posts for your convenience.
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Post Post #1615 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:01 am

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In post 1299, Performer wrote:
In post 55, Krazy wrote:He has replaced out of 2 games as scum and 0 games as town

As scum, he makes weird bullshit votes and then sits on them for weeks at a time

As town, he does weird reaction tests and then responds quickly to those reaction tests

Based on meta, Manatee is incredibly likely to flip scum. Honestly it's the strongest meta-based case in the entire game atm
manatee scum meta
Honestly this should be reason enough to lynch Manatee, especially since his play this day phase wasn't all that town motivated, but let's pretend this doesn't actually exist and shift through his ISO.
In post 52, ManateeDude wrote:why would VT or Toxic Goo claim?
Pointless question, I've talked about this before.
In post 110, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 108, Dunnstral wrote:^ Scummy
VOTE: Dunnstral
Naked vote, which is not bad in and of itself but I didn't like his positioning on the wagon either.
In post 255, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 232, Snowman wrote:Mostly waiting for Manatee to pop back into the thread.
what
In post 304, ManateeDude wrote:Theres at least 1 wolf on my wagon, town takes more time to think through a post and the alignment which cannot be done with a what post.
Dumb reaction test. Town would be frustrated at his lack of activity just as much as scum would pretend to, and its mostly a deflection from posting actual content.
In post 471, ManateeDude wrote:VOTE: Elsa Jay

1. people are voting her
2. the trying on a new lurker meta is just weird..
Plenty of players already said something along these lines about Elsa, so it isn't anything new. Also the second time he's jumped on the new and trendy wagon.
In post 535, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 511, Dunnstral wrote:Hey, ManateeDudge/Almost50/Kokichi, why are Elsa Jay/Lady Angel better lynches than me from your perspective?
Elsa pings me when you bother me more I guess
In post 734, ManateeDude wrote:
In post 725, Ruby Red wrote:if dunnstral flips town then i'll be the fucking first one on performer's wagon (hell, even if dunn flips scum it's a possibility)

dunn should still go first
VOTE: dunnstral
Town
The transition between these two posts are awkward. He never does explain how Dunnstral went from simply "bothering him" to actually being scummy. At this point it's also clear he doesn't care about voting anything but the popular wagons, which is pretty safe play and perfect for someone hoping to coast by D1.
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Post Post #1616 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:01 am

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Now, onto Alonzo's ISO...
In post 968, Alonzo wrote:
VOTE: ELSA
In post 971, Alonzo wrote:How do you like my attempts to derail the current gamestate?
In post 979, Alonzo wrote:How do you like my vote on all that jelly but no toast?
He starts out by throwing out a vote literally just to derail the game-state. Being self-aware that what you're doing is bad doesn't makes it less bad. A pretty piss-poor reaction test that doesn't read like genuine game-solving.
In post 986, Alonzo wrote:
In post 985, Snowman wrote:Alonzo, is there any reasoning behind your Elsa vote beyond "derailing the gamestate"?
Given the hour of my arrival into the game, its part of a larger intel sweep..

Whats your read on Elsa?
In post 989, Alonzo wrote:Reckon you can help me sort Maria?
In post 994, Alonzo wrote:
In post 58, Snowman wrote:Merry Christmas!

VOTE: Carcalilly
Ok last one... wats your history like with Carca?
In post 1034, Alonzo wrote:I'l tell you why I started there after the game.

Sell me on Dunns if you can??
Lots of questions asking others to give their takes on things while also not giving many takes himself. There's hardly any follow-up either.

Most of his ISO is just fluff or him asking basic questions. He does give out a few reads once in a while, but he doesn't flesh them out too much either. There's certainly nothing I'd town-read him for in his ISO, and combined with Manatee's lack-luster ISO the slot looks pretty bad as a whole, but there's one thing in his ISO I really can't buy coming from town...
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Post Post #1617 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:02 am

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The things I've already pointed out about Alonzo's play are bad enough as it is, but what I really want to talk about is his progression from tr-ing to sr-ing me, because it's entirely disingenuous.
In post 1305, Alonzo wrote:I just Dived snowman to see if I could find any discrepancies in his progression onto me, but snowy has a pretty driven town! Iso.
This was what Alonzo posted earlier last night before the worst replaced in. Take note that he apparently A)Dived through my ISO and B)Couldn't find any discrepancies in my progression on him (as implied by his concluding remark). Which makes no sense when considering what he posted after the worst's replace in:
In post 1581, Alonzo wrote:@TW dunno if u caught up yet, but SM would turn up and vote me out of the blue for undisclosed reasons
First of all, I literally wrote two paragraphs just before my vote summarizing what was scum-indicative from both Manatee's and Alonzo's play, so me voting him "out of the blue" for "undisclosed reasons" is already disingenuous, but it's impossible for him to miss the ten dozen times I pointed out scum-AI things from Manatee's play as well because he said he went for my ISO specifically looking for discrepancies on my progression and came to the conclusion I had a "driven town ISO", so that further invalidates this whole "voting him out of the blue" bullshit.
In post 1305, Alonzo wrote:encourage Perf to do the same
Again, never voted him for "undisclosed reasons" -- that's just a straight-up lie. And I asked Performer specifically to vote because he was already sr-ing Alonzo, or at the very least sr-ing some of the posts he made, so it would be reasonable to expect him to vote Alonzo with me.
In post 1305, Alonzo wrote: then dissapear like a fart in the wind when I called him out on it
Called me out on what? That I didn't flesh out a case THAT I LITERALLY SAID I WAS GOING TO FLESH OUT LATER? Like, I know I didn't get to it as soon as I said I would and I feel pretty bad about that, but for Alonzo to act like he caught onto something is just entirely bullshit.

Even if we assume that Alonzo was convinced enough by the worst's dive through like 1/6 of the game to do a complete 180 on me, which is already hard enough to believe as is, there is literally no way he could dive through my ISO and not find any discrepancies on my Manatee/Alonzo progression yet a few pages later claim that my vote came "completely out of the blue". He was clearly anticipating that the worst's case would be convincing to steer a lynch towards me and hopped on my wagon early, not caring at all that he'd have to spout complete bullshit to try to justify this sudden flip.
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Post Post #1618 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:02 am

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So to recap, we've got Manatee who pretty much just coasted all of D1 and jumping back and forth from wagon to wagon with little rhyme or reason. He makes a few attempts to try to mirror his town meta but on the whole it more closely resembles his scum meta. And then we got Alonzo who cares more about inquiring about other's reads than making many of his own and just overall active lurking for the most part. His progression of his read on me doesn't make any sense at all and practically contradicts itself, and I really just can't buy his reasons for voting me at all, especially considering he knew I had my reasons for scum-reading his slot yet still can't comprehend why I'd vote him.
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Post Post #1619 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:07 am

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Wow either you type really fucking fast, or you just copy pasted all that straight outta the scumchat...
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Post Post #1620 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:11 am

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In post 1614, Snowman wrote: Meant to do this yesterday, but I got caught up in other things, so here's my case on the Manatee/Alonzo slot,
split across multiple posts for your convenience.
Did you miss this or something? I finished it all in one go, but for readability sake I decided to split it across multiple posts instead of jamming it into one giant wall.
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Post Post #1621 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:13 am

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A50 said it better..
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Post Post #1622 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:14 am

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Nice shade btw. Everyone knows it's entirely impossible to copy/paste from multiple quote boxes. :roll:
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Post Post #1623 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:15 am

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Post Post #1624 (ISO) » Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:15 am

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