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MOTHAFUCKINCONFTOWNBOON HERE WHADDUP

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who wants to play guess the entire scumteam at basically pregame so if you're actually somehow right you may acclaim godtier ring bragging rights

Imma brag even if I get it wrong. I’m conftown.

VOTE: Performer

East bay brethren

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Guys, I’m conftownBoon.

That means I gotta play up the VI so I don’t get night killed. (Been getting night killed fairly often recently)

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@profii - conftown yourself to me.

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@Performer

off topic: FL ! North Berkeley had tons of fog on Saturday morning. That cancer walk wasn't as bad as I thought, not that cold and an easy walk. How has work been?

I actually just left one of my jobs, and the other is on a break for 3 weeks (i work in film, so that’s common), so now I have some time to get my own film company off the ground!

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To everyone else, yeah, I don’t have anything else to say. I’m gonna revel in my conf town for a bit longer, and then imma come in so hard.

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I actually have been looking at the thread throughout the day, just hadn’t had anything to say, and normally I can’t say that without it coming off as scum just active lurking, but I can say it, cuz I’m confTownBoon, the second best kind, right after the “Damn it, Boon.”.

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Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.

Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.

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Flubb seems new and I'm bad at reading newbies but he's prob town.

Flubb ain’t new. We joined site within two weeks of each other, and we’ve had many an adventure together throughout the years.

not gonna lie he posts like one.
I guess thats normal then since you're not scum reading him?

I have a tendency to town read him when he’s scum

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Anyone that town reads me is getting the tunnel.

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Well i've caught up but not a lot i wanna comment on.

ofhrz & creature are still my scum-leans as of now.

but...why??
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FL what is flubber's meta as town, and as scum?

He posts like he doesn’t care at all both alignments, sometimes a bit aggressively.

I feel when he’s town, occasionally he has some bits of genuine analysis mixed in with that, even if it’s aggressive. He tends to coast more as scum, I guess? He’s pretty hard to meta, tbh.

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Kinda wanna know why FA is posting elsewhere but not here.

Eh, I’m kinda doing this too. Some games are easier to get yourself involved in than others.

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Flavor Leaf are you here?

Yo

I know a fake mason claim when I see em...masons and Ic?

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Man, who fakes or jokes about being a mason...

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I'm the only person that thought 5 claims was scummy. Ehh I might just be wrong here then and Shattiel really is a lynchproof 2 shot vig cop mason that's revealed IC on request.

oh I didn't say I'm bulletproof?
I'm bulletproof too btw.

For real tho those joke claims is a matter of site meta.
Some are just meh with it then some are like lynch all liars
MS is the latter. got it.

I was making a joke. I’ve been in multiple mason fake claims the past year.

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UNVOTE: Performer

Realized I was still sitting on my RVS vote.

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UNVOTE: Performer

Realized I was still sitting on my RVS vote.

So what do you think about Performer now?

He’s a pretty cool guy. We live in the same area. Probably within like 15-20 minutes of each other, tbh.

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Santa Catarina? Where’s that? We’re by San Francisco.

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Lord Flavor Leaf is thinking.

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I have traveled across many lands in my search for the truth behind such disastrous conspiracies against this here town.

Lord Leaf....of the Land of Flavor has come to a decision.

I dub thee...SCUM!!!!!

VOTE: Maxous

Fair ye, peasants of the Land of Flavor. We must unite, as a greater evil exists beyond that of Maxous. He is but an apprentice to a much wiser scum lord.

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In my many years trekking this far off land, I have revisited all 33 pages of this here thread. I have reads a plenty, but I fear a night kill shall cometh my way. Fair ye peasants, I beg of you to sheep.

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So what about Maxous?

I dubbed him scum

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What do you see pointing his malignancy?

I...dubbed...him malignant.

Honestly, for some reason, I expected a big wagon on Maxous to form.

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Sepihroth is the big bad, though.

Through my entire read through I was thinking “yup, one of Nosf or Seph are definitely scum”

And it’s Seph.

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I’m town reading Saud, and mixed on Flubber. Flubber is best to wait until some flips happen.

Sephiroth isn’t getting lynched today.

You can’t kill off Sidious while Vader is still by his side.

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Nah, I think he’s more of a Lando.

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Dubbed him SCUM

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(PS: Can you tell which player on site who’s playstyle I’m trying to mimic?)

Not necessarily with the old timey talk, just by the noise and style of my posts.

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Fine, I’ll settle with Profii.

VOTE: Sephiroth

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But all those are town besides null Flubber, but he’s not a day 1 lynch.

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I'm guessing your vig claim is fake too?

I really , really don't like you.

why do people take things that are obviously not true as face value?

this is why we have fake news.

That’s why when i’m vig I do those fake vig claims!

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Jason, are you scum?

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real glad FL is confirmed town cause i'm not dealing with that nonsense.

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I would hop on to one of the three big wagons if i liked any of them but i just don't.
At most Flubber is a nullish read

This slot has been dubbed scum. Will lynch.

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I’m actively trying to channel my inner Not Mafia this day phase.

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I don't have much to add at the moment kinda pissed at RC for comments made in a game that just finished. What a tool.

I tricked him into calling me his hero when he didn’t know who I was when I it’s made this account. Ever since then I don’t mind RC’s comments. I kinda like it when he gets frustrated.

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I do dub Sephiroth scum, though

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I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.

You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.

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I got that when you said it in our mason thread

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I got that when you said it in our mason thread

Just kidding.

But yeah, I gotchu. Don’t die on me.

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I mean, FL just declared you scum, and people sheeped. The wagon on you lacks backing, so it's kinda weird you'd shade it for the wrong reasons. But ok, take your time and get back to us when you've properly caught up

Uhm...I DUBBED him scum. Where’s the lack of backs?

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I had an epiphany - I think, given the rules about shorter and shorter days and the way a particular person is player, I could hazard a guess at who a serial killer probably could be.

Last time I came up against a serial killer they shot people out of the lynch pool consistently so I'll not out them at this point - hopefully they help us.

I wasn't intending on lynching them thus far, but for today at least, I definitely wont.

Interesting.

You like getting shot? This is how you get shot.

I am playing in a way right now to not get shot.

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Flavor Leaf are you sure sephi is scum

Yeah.

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Out of the two I would lynch Maxous over Seph, my friend. come on, man. Throw me a bone here. Pick one of:

xx2008/Carcalilly/Garmr/Creature/FA_Q2/Completly Trustworthy/Flubbernugget/Shattiel

Why are you against it? Only one person on your lynch pool is on it.

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If anything, that should be a sign that you’d like it, or second guess your reads.

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I hope this will be a shining example of how FL is actually not nearly as good at this game as people think he is.

I’m actively phoning it in this day. I’m pretty sure I’ve made that BLATANTLY clear.

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Should probably read more clear, because this is absolutely not my regular playstyle, and it’s pretty obvious.

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I feel like I'd probably just rather be the D1 lynch then get caught up at this point. Especially if I have to try to deal with everyone sheeping FL's nonexistent reason for dubbing me scum. I wonder if he's still salty about our last game together or just chose a name at random. Don't think I'll be signing up for any large games or games with FL in the near future.

This is extremely surface level thinking, by the way. I’m known for flip flopping my reads and reaction testing.

You bring up “everyone sheeping FL’s nonexistent reason for ‘dubbing’ scum”

Well, then bring that up. Do some actual analysis. Explain who’s blindly sheeping. Call them out. Make an organized post with all that stuff on it. I’m known for hard defending people to be lynched.

You’re “poor me, everyone’s just bad” attitude is just as bad, and extremely surface level. If you’re scum trying for AtE, then fine, that’s a solid strategy. It works.

Everyone always looks at my big loud posts without looking at my smaller in between posts.

Look at the post I made against AP about how your wagon isn’t at all on his List, yet he didn’t like it. I commented there. A lot of my ‘throwaway posts’ have good actual town reads.

I have a tendency to get night killed, and I’m freaking conf town here, of course I’m going to be playing in a way where I try not to get night killed. That’s common sense.

You older, so called ‘elite’ players constantly have this mindset of just giving up when a wagon is on you, and you can’t get out of just by trying to discredit the blanket surface level reason, so you give up, and with that attitude, players like myself or Gamma are going to smoke you guys out 10/10 times.

I haven’t been mislynched in so long, and if I had been, it’s generally late game when I’m in a confrontation with scum.

Check my games, any games, I explain my reasoning behind things, everything, even when I’m getting rung up.

You’re a STRONG player Sephiroth. This is a GREAT opportunity for you to ObvTown yourself if you are actually town.

This is a GREAT opportunity to look at where scum is on the wagon.

Quit surface level thinking, you’re way too good of a player for that crap.

A lot of this can go towards everyone.

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I’m actively phoning it in this day. I’m pretty sure I’ve made that BLATANTLY clear.

Yeah, but you phoning it in has created a wagon with literally no substance for me to defend against. It really makes the game completely un-fun. Last time we played together you did the same thing to me (except you were scum). Do you have something against me as a person? I don't really want to filter the games I sign up for based on whether you're in them but if this is what happens every game then I have to. It feels shitty and personal that its happened two games in a row with you being two different alignments.

I was scum.

To be fair, here I did want Maxous, but I hopped onto you.

I think you’re a good wagon to gain reads on. I don’t expect you to be lynched.

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@seph - i posted my 1029 before i saw the posts right before it.

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^I've been duped by scum pretending to derp town - i assume seph should not be derp towning. i'd vote if my vote wasnt already there

I don’t think he’s derp towning. I’ve seen older players do similar things as town. It triggers me a little, but I’m understanding the concept more and more.

Plus, I generally baffle the older players.

I’ve been here four and a half years, I’ve been to a meetup with older players, i feel I’m in a good middle spot for the newer/older generation. I do some stupid stuff sometimes sure, but generally it can all be seen ‘why I did those things’.

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I’m actively phoning it in this day. I’m pretty sure I’ve made that BLATANTLY clear.

Yeah, but you phoning it in has created a wagon with literally no substance for me to defend against. It really makes the game completely un-fun. Last time we played together you did the same thing to me (except you were scum). Do you have something against me as a person? I don't really want to filter the games I sign up for based on whether you're in them but if this is what happens every game then I have to. It feels shitty and personal that its happened two games in a row with you being two different alignments.

Me phoning it in and creating a wagon with no substance is pretty indicative of the the wagon itself, though, isn’t it?

Where’s scum on your wagon?

This helps us as a town, even if you’re scum, which is why I think it’s good to have you answer this, or at least look into them individually.

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Sephiroth(7):Creature;profii;Flavor Leaf;Saudade;DVa;ofrhz;Performer;

Here’s the wagon. Let’s do this, Seph.

I’ll put my two cents out on the slots.

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Ok with Creature's list I'm within: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}

Who we voting from our remaining 5? Which of those 5 names are worth striking?

Wait, these are the remaining 5? From these I'm most tempted to do Sephiroth

I don't think any of them is worth striking rn

VOTE: Sephiroth

Sure, Creature you prefer lynching this scum or the other scum?

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm not voting to lynch rn

These are what Creatures has stated about Seph.

He was the first one, and he was working alongside DVA. He said he wasn’t looking to lynch right now, so that’s indicative he’s looking into things.

I feel this has been pretty townie regardless of Seph’s alignment.

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VOTE: seph

I'm ok with that

^I've been duped by scum pretending to derp town - i assume seph should not be derp towning. i'd vote if my vote wasnt already there

Profii was on the wagon before me, when I brought up Max was scum and Seph was the big bad. I actually don’t really like this too much, but not enough to scum read Profii. Talk was being said of Maxous town, and Profii voting here on Seph is the reason the wagon took off, as I followed since it was my scum statement.

This final post by Profii is discrediting and further piling on Seph, where if Seph is town, indicates ScumProfii a little more.

Regardless, Profii/Seph are not scum together.
I could see Profii/Max if Seph is town.

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Flavor Leaf since you are confirmed town I'm going to empower your opinion
by giving you power of my vote
whoever you vote, I do too

I'll do whatever lord flavor leaf tells me to do

Fine, I’ll settle with Profii.

VOTE: Sephiroth

must obey the lord
VOTE: Sephiroth

Flavor Leaf are you sure sephi is scum

He's piling on those votes real fast

So obviously, Saudade is the reason I started this bit.

His worry at the end is townie in my opinion, however if Seph is scum, Saudade could also be scum here.

Seph could be scum, Saudade town, but i never think this is Saud scum/seph town here.

It’s solid enough to think that this is coming from a townSaud place.

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VOTE: ofrhz

u wot m8

I still have no real scumreads. Someone help

Ok with Creature's list I'm within: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}

Who we voting from our remaining 5? Which of those 5 names are worth striking?

Sephiroth is TOWN

Why?

I'm not feeling this game, like AT ALL. For one thing, everybody's throwing up reads with not much of an explanation. For another, I can hardly play role, and it makes me feel sad I joined with AP.

I'm seriously considering switching to A50 and playing the game from the A50 perspective.

Ugh please don't. A50 is a bitch to sort compared to AP

VOTE: seph

Bare with me on this one, it’s not going to be too strong of a read.

Jason (I’ll call him Jason) is pretty trollolol posting, but then he brings up he doesn’t have scum reads and he doesn’t like it.

He even makes a comment about Seph voting him, and then quotes Almost calling Seph town in a manner of him not understanding it.

It makes sense that based on how he’s been playing Jason would naked vote Seph as townJason with the wagon picking up steam and him having no reads.

Again, this isn’t indicative of Seph’s alignment at all, however it’s much less likely that they are both scum here, but not completely impossible.

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Me phoning it in and creating a wagon with no substance is pretty indicative of the the wagon itself, though, isn’t it?

Where’s scum on your wagon?

This helps us as a town, even if you’re scum, which is why I think it’s good to have you answer this, or at least look into them individually.

I'm actually not a strong player in large games. I really have difficulty reading people when the playerbase is this large. I would never describe myself as an elite player in terms of obvtowning myself. I've gotten better at playing town, but my scum game has always far outshone my town game. To answer your question more directly, I found Performer and Ofhrs to have the most questionable votes on my wagon. Particularly naked voting me after the exchange with Dva without commenting on said exchange at all (Ofhrz) seemed lazy. I already stated that I don't believe Dvas push on me was genuine, particularly the post in which she decided I was more than a poe lynch seemed performative. I don't know enough about Dvas meta to nail down if I feel like shes scum from that though.

My 'giving up' has more to do with feeling that you have singled me out, (after having done so before) and knowing that people for whatever reason (granted you're conftown this game so it makes more sense than usual) just follow whatever you say frequently (like how you almost got me lynched in that game). I have no idea whats going on inside your head, I have no idea whether you believe or don't believe the shit you say, and I think its completely reasonable given what I know about how you play to assume that this is a serious push and suspicion from your point of view. Its hard to take the time and energy to actually reread when it feels like I'll get lynched for a combination of poe and 'FL said so'.

Fair. Large games are hard for everyone. Little to work with, kinda just shooting in the dark.

All my pushes are serious. If they aren’t, you’d for sure know.

UNVOTE: Sephiroth

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Also FL if you could expand on meta for as many people as you can, that would be greatly appreciated by me and possibly others.
If anyone has questions about someone's meta , feel free to ask me too . No guarantees though as I'm not all-knowing but I'll try my best.
Why do I say this? Because certain players are like an open book in their playstyles - they don't change it all that easily.

@FL the best thing tonight is for you to get protected by a protective. No offense intended at all but whenever I hear people say "oh I played that way to avoid getting killed tonight," that's just hoping against hope.

Well, now, definitely.

But as scum, I would definitely leave a bumbling VI alive as IC, and have before. It’s good to have those in your corner, and not enough people in the game are beyond overly familiar with me, so I wouldn’t assume to being night killed if I’m VI.

A lot of times I’ll have people say in scum chats “don’t sleep on Boon”, and i didn’t know who here would state that, so was trying to abuse my perceived meta and project that further into potential scum’s mind, but that’s out the window now.

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Granted, given what you've posted recently, I'll see what I can do. BUT I'm also at work. Its easy to respond to posts as they come in but I can't take an hour off to reread at the current moment.

Yeah, I’m basically doing the work right now anyways, and just putting my thoughts out.

Mixed perspectives are good to have, especially for later in the game.

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Performer, would you strike any of these names from PoE: {FA_Q2, Maxous, Saudade, Sephiroth, Flubbernugget}?

Probably saud. Still need to see more from him though. Haven't seen enough to make me comfortable with him likelier town or likelier scum.

VOTE: Sephiroth

Similar thing here, but even less.

He is just sheeping, regardless of alignment, but he didn’t town read the seph slot, which i don’t think people should have at the time.

I also feel like Performer’s been trying to slowly buddy up to me. This slot could be town or scum with town or seph scum, really, though.

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So I really didn’t like DVA’s argument with a Sephiroth and the entirety of the lynch pool mentality.

To me, it comes off like DVA isn’t looking for scum, she’s looking to stay politically favored, and find some kind of compromise lynch, or mislynch, should I add.

I noticed this before I made my entrance into the game, and was rereading the game entirely, I almost wanted to tunnel DVA right then and there, but I needed more. I needed to see that it wasn’t just personality. I needed a wagon.

And while I did scum read Seph and Max, I chose to take a blind eye to DVA so I could read them, because they came off as super scum to me.

The moment that hit me the most just now, was her argument with Sephiroth.

Not unlike profii’s last comment, it looks as if DVA was looking for a reason to help give Sephiroth that little oomph it needed to get closer to a hammer. She was looking for the flawed play to pounce on.

If seph was scum, sure, dva’s likely not scummwith him, but my scum read on Seph has definitely dissipated, and I feel that scum is on the Seph wagon.

That entire conversation with Seph DVA has comes off decent considering at the time the general consensus was SCUM SEPH, but without that, DVA looks to be pushing a blatant scum agenda.

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@Perf - oh, don’t get me wrong, I agree with that. But it helps to draw the scum’s eye naturally away.

I’m talking strictly from the scum’s perspective.

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There’s also a few posts from people not on the wagon that stood out to me.

They came from XX, Nosf, and AP.


Maxous keeping out of the clear still indicates scum there.

My best guess right now is DVA, Maxous, one of XX/Nosf/AP, and one of Profii/Performer.

I’m leaning Nosf and Profii, however, even semi town reading AP/Perf.

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Sepihroth is the big bad, though.

Through my entire read through I was thinking “yup, one of Nosf or Seph are definitely scum”

And it’s Seph.

I'm astounded that people actually read an interaction that was literally getting worked up by emboldened text

and went "yup there's scum there."

amazing

VOTE: max

My first post that pinged me was by Nosf when I brought up one of Nosf and seph being scum. This was a sheep vote onto Maxous. This is prime time for a bus vote that isn’t expected to go much because I literally had ZERO reasoning.

Which also falls in line with Profii then going on to vote Seph. Profii’s a Boon Babe, we’d already established a link between us this game,p. It was expected of me to look into what he was saying.

This incited the Seph wagon, that Nosf had put a high town read on. That would have given Nosf town cred.

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@sephiroth, for some reason, I think your posts were attempting to tunnel. You also took back what you said immediately after. I don't think those are likely to come from someone who is town.
VOTE: sephiroth, at least for now.

Your posts sounded strange. They seemed like you were trying to find everything that was wrong about Nosferatu.

I can understand both of your points, but Nosferatu's posts seem a lot more relaxed and likely to come from town. However, Sephiroth, your posts are somewhat leaning scummy.

You are welcome to that read, but this is also just kind of how I talk.

You do seem that way when I read your posts.
UNVOTE: for now.

I think the Nosferatu and Sephiroth 1v1 could either be a TvT or a SvT. I think it's more of a TvT, though, because it appears more like a misunderstanding. I don't expect two scum to be doing this, though, for that would attract too much attention, especially due to the fact that this 1v1 lasted for a long time in terms of pages, and anyone skimming through the game could have noticed it.

I'm not sure why dva and creature think Sephiroth and flubbernugget are scummy, and why they changed votes after only two or so posts.

What is townie about Sephiroth or flubber? That is the question I am asking right now. Do you see anything that indicates a town thought process?

why is scummy about Sephiroth?
I can find zero explanation from you about it.
Instead you're just trying to get people to prove he's town.

Regarding dva's post, it does not say that Sephiroth and flubber are scummy. It only asks if anyone can find anything towny about them, which I think is a rhetorical question. I have mixed feelings towards flubber right now.

Sepihroth is the big bad, though.

Through my entire read through I was thinking “yup, one of Nosf or Seph are definitely scum”

And it’s Seph.

I'm curious as to why you think Seph is scum. I'm doing an iso on him when I get the time to do so, but I'd like to know your perspective.

Xx was not on the Seph wagon, but he was voting him earlier. He commented on the Nosf vs Seph.

He eventually votes DVA.

This could be a Seph/xx pairing, but i don’t see xx playing that way. This is pretty genuine coming from XX.

I’m gonna throw a town read here actually.

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And then I’ve already brought up the AP contradicting lynchpool and wagon formation.

I agree that the wagon was a lot, though, and it seemed like AP was in some sort of confusion, but knew something wasn’t up, and his reads weren’t all there, which it shouldn’t need to be, it’s Day 1 in a large.


DVA, Nosf, profii, Maxous is where I’m at right now.

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>everyone in the thread: "I don't know who scum is"

Dva: "OK so why don't we townblock and poe"

FL: "boy Dva seems scummy for not sitting on her fucking ass waiting for the day to end"

Also note the difference between DVA arguing with me than DVA working with other people.

I clearly have put some analysis and logic into my cases, it doesn’t mean I’m correct.

This implies I’m hitting a right trail, possibly for reasons DVA doesn’t think should exist and is an attempt to discredit.

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What does post count have to do with anything?

I’ve had over 1k posts as scum.

And instead of blindly attacking, show you are town then. Analyze elsewhere. Put the work in.

Idk what about that concept goes over people’s heads.

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This seems like a strong overreaction which means you must be feeling pressure.

Just because the case isn’t wrong, doesn’t mean it doesn’t have merit. Those things are actually good to have in the game.

No matter what you say, it’s not a bad case. It’s a case that came from the perspective of a town player, just explaining what they took on a situation, that in itself means it’s not bad. I even stated it might not be correct. It’s day 1. Show it’s incorrect by doing townie things, npdont just say it’s wrong and expect people to believe you.

I didn’t even vote you, and you felt this much pressure. To me, that doesn’t come across as townie.

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@Garmr - to be fair, I don’t believe Creature had any real credit for being on the wagon. It took off regardless of him being on it.

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FL you're a wonderful conftown but I like disagree with most of your assumptions oof

I mean, I went pretty open ended, I believe and didn’t say anything was positive. I just said where my thoughts were.

Please explain which in particular you disagree with, and why you see it differently. I want to see if you actually have reads or if it’s just political.

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Well, when you say things that reflect you not reading the thread, I will ask about that. You accused people of voting you out of poe when I don't think anyone is, so if you think that's unfair to ask about then, hmm, let me think about that

VOTE: Sephiroth

Shading me for asking you about shit that you say that doesn't make sense -- congrats, you're no longer a poe lynch to me

what is this nonsense

he literally said he was v/la and only skimmed the thread.

VOTE: Maxous

Oo...look at this Maxi, she done calling you out.

Response?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m gonna be pissed and happy if Maxous, my literal first dubbed scum candidate this game, is the lynch today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Does Dva normally just vote people whose opinions differ from her own, or who have mildly offended her sensibilities? Asking for a friend.

Don’t think I’ve ever played with her.

I could see it coming from town or scum, though.

I think she senses a lot of pressure on her.

[Flavor Leaf]

@AP - how do we have zero overlaps....

I think I’m town reading you because of that tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

@AP - how do we have zero overlaps....

I think I’m town reading you because of that tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Flubber

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous is still scum. Officially dubbed. No need for subtitles.

[Flavor Leaf]

Whats the reason to lynch flubb again? That he was wrong about something early game? Not trying to dismiss it just genuinely don't really know why hes the leading lynch candidate.

Basically Flubber is the epitome of NAI. I normally don’t ever push or like Flubber getting for early, but he was at L-1 and I hate WIFOM’y NAI claims.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ah I forgot.

Never put unclaimed people on L-1 in large games.

Happens in micro’s.

Idk what this projecting is.

Like actually, Maxous is hardscum.

[Flavor Leaf]

We’re also 56 pages into Day 1.

This day phase has been ready to move on for about 25 pages.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Flubber

And now you're officially a member of the fan club. CONGRATULATIONS.

What do you mean? That’s been my catch phrase for four years and coming out of nowhere like that.

It’s the only time I hammer when it’s out of nowhere, really.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I'm pretty sure FL should know I'm town by now. He knows why

Interesting.

@Saudade - who you thinking for the day?

[Flavor Leaf]

Nos, myself, Nero, maxous, xx, sephiroth, shattiel, saudade. Do you have an order of preference ofrhz?

These are all the slots not on the flubber lynch eod.

Probably {xx, Max} > saudade / nos

Saudade and nos are there because I don't think I can really read them

Since Gamma is townreading xx and profii/AP both have max in their sights,

VOTE: Max

I guess there's also something to be said for sheeping the dead

Do you have anything for a case against maxous in particular? Or did you just want to have two wagons?

It’s probably because I dubbed him scum.

Alright, let’s talk about why I lived.

A) scum has people who want to use me to push people if I’m not on them.
B) my reads are way off and scum are within people who don’t know me as well.
C) they had a PR sniff elsewhere
D) they thought I’d be protected.

I’m gonna go with D. Which implies a lack of a strongman, however, GammaScum wouldn’t necessarily kill me here even as a strongman.

[Flavor Leaf]

The wording of dva’s role doesn’t necessarily mean there’s a strongman, that’s just stating something about rolestopper. Sure, there could be a strongman, but not due to the wording of dva’s flip

[Flavor Leaf]

I was the IC for like two of xx’s newbie games, and I ended tunneling him both times, and he was the both times.

Here I’m lowkey town reading him, so idk if that means he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Innocent Child is the IC we’re referring to here. Basically just means ‘mod confirmed town’

[Flavor Leaf]

I think scum reading Xx for not knowing IC in this context isn’t the right path. I’m town reading him for it.

On top of that, I was literally the IC, inexperience challenged, for both newbie games that Xx played in.

[Flavor Leaf]

I understand his thought process here.

I’m ingrained in his head as IC, so when it was being talked about it differently here, it makes sense for him to ask us directly. I also think as scum, he’d have put it together, and him asking us in thread is actually townie, but not scum projecting townie townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes but I’m the post he’s responding to, #1 troll performer said IC = Inexperience challenged

So xx has encountered yet another IC acronym on this site?

This game has IC as Innocent Child, so yes.

Again, I’m Innocent Child here, and I’ve been the Inexperience Challenged for his other games. I think it’s totally valid for him to be confused about it. All he knows is FL = IC always at this point, haha

[Flavor Leaf]

On reflection - I’m voting Maxous as a compromise to work with people, Saudade is the best lynch but people need to think about it - might go and find that previous game where Saudade said he scum coasted and got away with it

Depending on your definition of coasting, saud is absolutely capable of coasting to win as scum, yes. He just posted a ton of fluff in his 2 scum games I had front row seats to, and was active though...not the traditional kind of coasting where scum is just inactive and unengaged. Here he's looking like he's coasting off FL simply since he's mod-confirmed IC.

To be fair, even if I wasn’t IC here, I think there’s a chance that Saudade sheeps me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think he likely just didn’t read closely tbh. He’s newer to the site still. He probably didn’t even know what IC meant even though i put it in my opening post for the newbie games, so from his perspective, maybe he could see me coming from a teaching perspective here as well, especially with the amount of people who were blindly sheeping me yesterday.

As scum, I don’t see a reason for it to be in this thread unless the other people literally told him to, but that’s still putting xx under direct spotlight in that case.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL yeah but even regardless of his questioning of the IC and strongman and the way he replied, regardless of that, don't you think xx is super fishy for being off the wagon and my case on him?

I get the case and suspicion, I’m just on the other side of the argument because I very much see him doing that as town.

Although, he is very OMGUS’y as town...

Wasn’t he pushing DVA? I don’t see that as a kill they make because of that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I’m leaning Nosf.

[Flavor Leaf]

He definitely was. I voted him, and he hard tunneled me, haha. I was killed Night 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Correct that i believe Performer and I both don’t make it to D3. My trolling Not Mafia like playstyle isn’t holding up as well, so I’m only going to be night kill immune for so long

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think AP was going to be today’s lynch.

But he could be a town PR.

But I think I’d be okay pressuring AP here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you loyal vig? I love that as a role.

[Flavor Leaf]

off topic: @FL this smoke is terrible in the area. Just like the weather in China. Damn.

Yeah, it’s SO BAD. It’s crazy.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Seph is scum, they're playing pretty sloppily, and I don't believe it's coming from scumSeph. Sure, that might be a reason in itself to play that way, but like, I'm the only one pushing that, so I don't see that as a play that would be made.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL: Who's you Mason buddy in this game?

sephiroth. that's why we baited the wagon on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Seph



If I did this on D1 only you would have got the joke/meme. Now the whole wide world knows about it, so no need for me to explain it.

Not gonna lie, not a bad reason for going after Seph, tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - I'm so happy that both my fake mason claim screw up and your fake mason claim screw up, both involved Creature.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jason come back

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Maxous

I dub it.

[Flavor Leaf]

ScumMaxous never makes the kill there.

[Flavor Leaf]

He also gives his opinion and his doubts, but sheeps me nonetheless.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fine, I’ll settle with Profii.

VOTE: Sephiroth

must obey the lord
VOTE: Sephiroth

Flavor Leaf are you sure sephi is scum

He's piling on those votes real fast

does nobody think im scum so far?

Sephi call me town and ill unvote u

he's also response heavy, so he's checking the thread, just not making actual analysis. He still wants to win, you can tell. I'm actually okay with the play he's chosen to do.

He could be scum doing that, but that's just playing dick chicken because eventually he'll have to deal with me by killing me in that case.

Regardless, Saudade as scum playing this way still can benefit town. He's garnering a lot of reactions.

[Flavor Leaf]

im also empowering your slot by giving it the ability to have +2 votes instead of +1 !

Yeah, so that benefits me as well, so maybe I'm pocketed, but Saudade has seen me flip on the dime before, so he'd have to be willing to hard bus his teammates, AND risk the slot of me tunneling onto him because of it.

I don't see Saudade doing that as scum right now. It gives me too much power, and I'm one to hard roll with that power.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuck

Im gonna be really busy this week with work and I'm not sure if I should replace out or not

Stay if you can. I get if you’re super busy, but I can tell you’re actually busy and not using it as a scum excuse. (Even if you are scum, it’s not an excuse, it’s real)

[Flavor Leaf]

Xx is locktown. I already explained why like forever ago.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Quit doing this scum theatre.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nero is a mislynch candidate.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Seph slot is town. Pretty sure they’re also a weak role, so give that a chance.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop FL, you have 2 votes get it together.

I have it together. Y’all gonna mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Stop FL, you have 2 votes get it together.

This is scummy, and a discredit to the IC.

Maxous/Profii/RCE.

Xx is obv town. Quit being lazy with that one.

Nero is clearly being setup as a mislynch.

Sephiroth is literally near mechanically cleared as town due to the wagon yesterday, plus reasons I can bring up tomorrow. (Assumingly others will tomorrow too, talk about this more later).

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Because

a) Flubber aggressively went after Creature early in the game in a non-bussing way

b) Shortaru was questioning and prodding all the late wagon votes on Flubber when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Something i don't feel like a scum-buddy would of done.

Plus i don't see what's wrong with Nero, i looked through your ISO and i'm don't really see your case as to why he's so scummy.

This SvS is killing me.

It literally hurts.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maxous - convince me Nero town please I don’t see it

Because

a) Flubber aggressively went after Creature early in the game in a non-bussing way

b) Shortaru was questioning and prodding all the late wagon votes on Flubber when it was obvious he was going to be lynched. Something i don't feel like a scum-buddy would of done.

Plus i don't see what's wrong with Nero, i looked through your ISO and i'm don't really see your case as to why he's so scummy.

Ah - I’m basically interpreting those things as scummy whereas you’re not. I agree Nero hasn’t done anything scummy but I don’t think he has done anything Town (albeit replacing into a slot being constantly pressured by me is probably part of that)

Knife, going through my heart right now.

The scum theatre...

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel these are the most important wagons thus far.

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;

Nero Cain(4): profii;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;Garmr;

Flubbernugget

(10):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly;Garmr;Flavor Leaf;



Players that were only on Flubber:
Gamma Emerald, AP, Carcalilly, Flavor Leaf

Players that were on Flubber and one other wagon:
Completely Trustworthy, ofrhz, Performer, Garmr

People who are not on Flubber and on one wagon:
RCEnigma, Creature, Saudade

People on all three:
Profii.


Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

I also would think there’s at least one scum on the middle two lists.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, I am actually starting to lean less on Maxous.

VOTE: Profii

I truly think this is scum, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s actually a strong case for AP being town, considering we weren’t able to find common ground anywhere until the scum wagon.

Why would he fight certain other wagons, but be okay with lynching scum if he was scum?

AP town.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s Flubber. Scum definitely bused, if that wasn’t clear that i was for sure implying that. One or two.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. If Maxous flips town is Profii still scum? Or vice versa?

My reads are completely separate from each other, but their conversing looked like SvS to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

I feel these are the most important wagons thus far.

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;

Nero Cain(4): profii;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;Garmr;

Flubbernugget

(10):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly;Garmr;Flavor Leaf;



Players that were only on Flubber:
Gamma Emerald, AP, Carcalilly, Flavor Leaf

Players that were on Flubber and one other wagon:
Completely Trustworthy, ofrhz, Performer, Garmr

People who are not on Flubber and on one wagon:
RCEnigma, Creature, Saudade

People on all three:
Profii.


Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

I also would think there’s at least one scum on the middle two lists.

[Flavor Leaf]

To have my Profii case in one post

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok. If Maxous flips town is Profii still scum? Or vice versa?

This also looks like a Scum Support line testing the waters where this could go.

I might be leaning RCE/Profii now, and reconsidering my Maxous read.

[Flavor Leaf]

xx2008 - town for genuine ness, and understanding the DVA case, and not accepting Seph. I think it’s genuine town from the IC comments.

Performer - Multitasking JOAT claim is genuine or he’a Crazy scum. I don’t see Performer as that crazy. Town.

Carcalilly - mm...I have reason to believe this is a town slot. I don’t think they’d bring up the replacing out comment as scum. Weak reasoning, i won’t stick to that, but lean town. They were also only on the Flubber wagon of the three.

Maxous - staying under the radar, and then coming in and taking control sometimes. Actively staying off of hot topic wagons. Lean scum.

Garmr - I’m kind of null here. He could fill it out the scum team or be outside townie. Most null read for me in the game, alongside CT.

Saudade - I’m gonna say town. This is a bold play they’ve been doing, and he’s been sticking to sheeping me. That’s dangerous in my opinion as scum. He also gave doubts about Seph being scum while sheeping. Town.

Nero Cain - this is him being a mislynch candidate. His wagon doesn’t make sense to not be scum motivated.

Sephiroth - that wagon was scum motivated haha. I have other reasons why he’s more than likely town, that will come up later, though. Just know, the answer is yes. Yes. Town.

Gamma Emerald - Gamma was only on Flubber. Sure, he’d bus, but he wasn’t for the other wagons either. Town.

AP - i explained my town read here, alongside him only being on a Flubber.

Shattiel - meh. This could be scum or town. Scum support utility. Not decided yet, but not null.

Completly Trustworthy - same as Garmr, but I liked their most recent posting.

profii - scum.

RCEnigma - likely scum due to the reasons I’ve been bringing up.

ofrhz - super genuine, and while not giving a lot, i feel like they’re just lost, and trying to figure things out, but kind of listening moreso than coming up with their own stuff. But I feel they are genuinely piecing things together. Town.

Nosf - could go either way. I don’t think Nosf is TvT with Maxous, nor did i think that with Seph. I’ll lean scum, but this could just be scum’s scapegoat.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

Which would literally be the worst play as Flubber's partner.

You either defend him or you bus him.

Staying hands off from the situation means you are passively allowing your buddy to get lynched while getting zero town credit.

I haven't justified much of the scumreads on me but i'll say this: I know better than to sit on the fence when a buddy is getting lynched, Particularly when it would of been so easy to jump on Flubber as a "compromise"

I disagree. It lets you say exactly what you just said there. It’s expected of scum partners to bus Flubber there. It’s not expected of them to hard defend him much. Staying off the grid with it is the premier scum play there, especially if scum is already on the wagon.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL
I’m seeing what Tchill did in boonytoonz - in Nero... do you get that

I was thinking on my way home from footy that does not factor that it was Tchill s main power role so more likely to resist bus. Idk how that plays out ina large

See where I’m coming from?

I see it. It’s similar. But Nero’s probably coming from a town mindset. He’s not pushing for a mislynch is the difference. He’s analyzing. Tchill was looking for a way to weave the game into a way that could sensibly state him as town. I don’t see Nero doing that here.

[Flavor Leaf]

I caught scum in that game, though.

I caught the first scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 1

[Flavor Leaf]

Is there a reason that you aren't claiming now?

He’s gotta wait for scummates to agree with his plan.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I could see Shatt scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Someone case Profii, I'll skim his iso at work tonight but my preference is elsewhere.

:eyeroll:

[Flavor Leaf]

I could see Profii working an angle that could certainly come from either alignment but other posts leaned town to me. Specifically his analysis when I brought up my initial lynchlist.

Unfortunately the main advocate for a Maxous Lynch was our confirmed town. I shot Maxous specifically because I thought Flavor was making a play.

I thought he threw out Maxous as a scumread to get an investigative to look into it, i also thought this when he ignored Maxous through most of the day and felt like he picked up I was pretty obviously shielding Maxous.

I actually was trying to get an investigative to hit Maxous. That’s interesting you picked up on that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have never scum read Profii like this ever. We generally work together really well when we’re both town, and he actively tries to show me that. I’m literally conf town, and I’m getting nothing.

I’ve also been subtly pushing I thought he was scum for a bit.

He’s also actively trying to tear Saudade down to weaken me.

This is ScumProfii.

Wagon analysis, let’s call it Wagonomics, points hard to Profii as well.

I feel these are the most important wagons thus far.

Sephiroth(6):Creature;profii;Saudade;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;

Nero Cain(4): profii;Completely Trustworthy;RCEnigma;Garmr;

Flubbernugget

(10):Completely Trustworthy;Gamma Emerald;AP;

DVa

;ofrhz;Performer;profii;Carcalilly;Garmr;Flavor Leaf;



Players that were only on Flubber:
Gamma Emerald, AP, Carcalilly, Flavor Leaf

Players that were on Flubber and one other wagon:
Completely Trustworthy, ofrhz, Performer, Garmr

People who are not on Flubber and on one wagon:
RCEnigma, Creature, Saudade

People on all three:
Profii.


Who’s absent from this list of 12 name?!? Maxous. That is actively staying away from it because partner Profii is pushing them, but Profii was sitting behind other people pushing it more.

I also would think there’s at least one scum on the middle two lists.

Scum can scumhunt. Town can play without scumhunting. I don’t think that’s a relevant question.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL

If RCE has an inno on Maxous, that means me and Maxous weren't scum theatre'ing - that means, I was legit trying to get someone to help me see the town in Nero.

with me?

:/ i moved onto you before I had the Maxous inno outed, and stayed they were separate from each other.

[Flavor Leaf]

Let’s go Profii today. Gamma, target RCE tonight I think is a solid plan.

If you guys live, lynch RCE tomorrow. This also makes it so our other PRs get another action.

I have a chance at living, but it’s okay if I die. I don’t have any actions. Protect me still people, haha.


Gamma/RCE can be figured out, but I’m definitely on Gamma’s side. Zero reason for Gamma to try and counterclaim here.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Gamma is scum, he’ll live for multiple days. TownGamma doesn’t live for more than a few more days.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because we just can lynch within Gamma’s targets.

[Flavor Leaf]

Because we just can lynch within Gamma’s targets.

Explain?

You state your target beforehand, and they don’t kill you, it’s like a semi scum claim. It’s similar to a “no kill gambit”

Except they still get to kill elsewhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would scum target gamma if he's town?

Btw, this essentially makes RCE scum.
If Gamma is town, and stated to target you, that’s why scum kill him. You both would die. 2 strong PR out.

Gamma’s role benefits from being able to be a potential vig martyr.

[Flavor Leaf]

Profii is a claimed VT. I say we lynch there, and get to the next day phase.

No need for more claims to come out right now, and Profii/RCE is looking likely.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s very WiFoMy though.

We just take that into consideration. You’re right, though, but I still think it brings up solid discussion points.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a soft clear from Sephiroth. I can’t explain it this day phase, though. If I die it’ll come out anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

We don't get a result from Gamma unless he's night killed.

We use this to our advantage.

It is simple, though.

Gamma can protect someone, but if he is killed, it’ll kill who he’s Protecting along with him. He can’t be tracked or roleblocked.

[Flavor Leaf]

And it only works on scum because disloyal

[Flavor Leaf]

Meaning if RCE and Gamma target the same scum, then the kill won’t go through.

That’s actually kind of a cool interaction

[Flavor Leaf]

Babysitter protects their target, yo

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma please confirm. Your role, you target someone and if you die: town lives or scum dies. That is your only ability, no? The rest are just modifiers.

He claimed babysitter...babysitter targets a player, and protects them from a night kill.

However, if the babysitter is killed, the babysitter and his target both die.

Since he’s ascetic ninja and disloyal, the babysitter action only takes affect against mafia aligned players, can’t be tracked, can’t be blocked.

This means he protects his target, which can only be mafia that is protected because disloyal.

[Flavor Leaf]

That actually gives me merit that both of them could be town, because that’s a really cool combination of roles for potential interaction.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm just thinking how it plays out with a scum roleblocker. This game could have been a lot Wilder night 1.

RB makes sense with it. Can save a scum if they use it right.

[Flavor Leaf]

Games filled with a WIFOM inducing roles are great. Requires actual analysis on play.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have too much power...if I just mislynched Profii with that much ease...I don’t even know who I am anymore...

[Flavor Leaf]

Roleblocker, maybe Tracker/rolecop, a goon, and then some throwaway role is balanced, I’d say. More PR’s doesn’t mean stronger town.

[Flavor Leaf]

That sucks Seph was mod killed. He was conftown. I got the fruit

[Flavor Leaf]

So yeah, I forgot a lot too.

But people sheeped me hardcore into Profii, so let’s lynch on the wagon today. They saw a solid case, and hopped onto it. Scum abused. Nice job

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Nosf

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. This seems similar to a game I thought I was SK, but was town weak vig.

Nosf was scum there, and I’m getting similar vibes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk. This seems similar to a game I thought I was SK, but was town weak vig.

Nosf was scum there, and I’m getting similar vibes.

Wow he never mentions that game o.o

i mean i did this game lol but ok

Gamma meant that I specifically don’t mention that game. In fact, I generally act like it doesn’t exist.

I guess a lot of us in this game were in that game. That’s neat. That was a long time ago.


@Jason - it was a large normal that Creature modded. I’m not exactly sure. I’ll look for it

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m leaning Saudade town. I was an IC in a newbie game of his, I hard tunneled him Day 1, he was scum, i turned around started to town read him. He won that game as scum.

I didn’t get that early scum ping, and generally when I don’t with Saudade, he’s town. But he could be hard adapting, but I feel this is pretty similar to his town

[Flavor Leaf]

oh and, why not just replace in on your main? What's even the point of a non-secret alt?

Yeah, what’s the point?

Also, I fell behind. I’ll try and catch up, but I don’t like the Saudade wagon.

Saudade, fight back, and pick a wagon. I’ll sheep.

[Flavor Leaf]

vote me without an open thought process harder boys

VOTE: Saudade
VOTE: Saudade
VOTE: Saudade
VOTE: Saudade
VOTE: Saudade

Is there a reason this one’s town? Because I recommend this one.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: RCEnigma

[Flavor Leaf]

I've let my thoughts known, anyone voting me without an open thought process is dishonest

I do agree with this tbh. Saudade is just not voting on his own. He’s still giving his thoughts. That’s townie.

There is no scum motive to sheeping me 100%.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not fighting it, vote me.

False bravado.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yep, caught me.

Town wouldn’t be this brave about it. Every single wagon i’ve started has gained traction.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh yeah, you were doing that claiming thing.

I remember that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Idie until it’s too late for scum tbh.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, is nobody else getting Shattiel scum vibes? Shattiel is super scummy to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Could someone like compile all the actions and claims?
Free townpoints

[Flavor Leaf]

I forgot them all, tbh....

[Flavor Leaf]

HUZZAH!

I've solved the game without reading d1 and several of the ISO's I said I'd read.

xx2008
RCEnigma
ofrhz

Is your scum team.

Both of RC's and Ofrhz's votes are reasonless opportunistic votes and it makes sense to me that they'd hop on with the dumb town leading the charge.

Ofrhz was a lurksack as town in my previous game with her and this doesn't match her lurksack town meta at all.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

RC goes from town reading Ofrhz to scum reading her but "not wanting her lynched today" basically they are distancing from one another.

He's also protecting his weak scumbuddy XX.

In the newbie queue slots are marked as se/ic on the main post. Here it isn't marked as such but IC keeps being brought up in different context. Which is where I think it's confusing him.

Innocent child has been used multiple times. Even the exact phrase Flavor Leaf is innocent child.

Like no way he doesn't understand when you guys are literally saying that FL is an innocent child.

XX also hasn't done much scumhunting and when he does it seems mostly dence sitting. His two hard scum reads from D1 were dead town and Ofrhz who he's mainly drooped. I mean, in his last post he did say "I think him sheeping day1 wasn't exactly towny, which makes me wonder about his alignment." but that's still a fence sit and seems kinda odd he didn't start out pushing Ofrhz starting out today.

vote:RC

Pushes the “no way xx doesn’t understand” but voted RCE.

Solid.

VOTE: ofhrz

This is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man those kills are gonna hurt town
Well a faster game is better i guess

Claims that are still alive:

Me - Town Joat
AP - Disloyal Roleblocker
Gamma - Ascetic bomb....thing? Babysitter right?

is you and ap like the only claims alive?

[Flavor Leaf]

Man those kills are gonna hurt town
Well a faster game is better i guess

Claims that are still alive:

Me - Town Joat
AP - Disloyal Roleblocker
Gamma - Ascetic bomb....thing? Babysitter right?

is you and ap like the only claims alive?

Meant to post with.

This is scum!

[Flavor Leaf]

FL you have to understand even if Saudade is town we lose because he will be in lylo and he 100% should be the Lynch regardless of alignment.

Nah, you just discern his alignment like anything else.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Shattiel

I believe Jason.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m playing with wagonomics.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf are you sure sephi is scum

Based on this?

Kill me first then, I'm voting saudade regardless so.

Why do I have to kill either of you.

Imma take a hard pass on that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Xx - idk if Nero buses this hard, and I standby what I was saying with thinking Xx is town. I’m not entirely positive of this, but enough where I do not want to head there today.

Maxous - probably town based on RCE. Idk if that correlates to a SvS, plus there’s reasons he’s likely town based on play.

AP - hmm...probably town based on claim and general targets. Could be pulling the wool, but this is probably town.

FL - probably scum.

Saudade - this is dumb as scum, decent hiding spot, sure, but it’s pretty ride or die. He also gave paranoia on Sephiroth wagon, and then Seph targeted me with his shot confirming himself as town to me, so I’m town reading here.

RCE - I guess this could be scum fakeclaiming, but no point in dealing with that right now. If this is scum, Maxous is still likely town.

Jason - possible scum. Could just be lost town.

Garmr - possible scum, could just be projecting town, but gut says town.

Shatt - scum who’s been coasting.


We have like 2 or 3 scum left, probably 2, I’m leaning Shatt and one of my town reads probably

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t think Saudade is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been saying what’s townie to me about him for days. I’m not gonna just flip my read. I know how he’s been playing, i know the cases made. I just don’t think he’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I got your logic from the beginning.

I’m going over wagonomics right now.

I’m not sold on RCE town or RCE scum, but by play, I’m leaning town. 2 flipped Joats, not out of line for a third at this point

[Flavor Leaf]

Have others actually done anything to prove they're town @garmr
Except FL ofc

My gut says sausade is town

Same. Are you thinking AP is likely town, or possible scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I the only one who believes rcenigma is faking JOAT and is scum?

Ap could be doing this as well, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

So you’re saying you can protect me tonight?

Solid.

Protect me tonight. If I die, powerlynch RCEnigma, no questions tomorrow.

RCE slot solved itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

@ofrhz: Sorry for the snap, but you used to be MUCH better than this.

Interesting. The character of his avatar makes me feel by personality read and what I’m pulling into his play, he’s lean town for me. Also the wagon earlier.

[Flavor Leaf]

Man, I hate being IC. People act differently towards me, and I’m a reaction test player, so I can’t get reads. I like confirming myself as town by force...

Literally I can see every single one of y’all as scum right now, but I’m leaning town on the majority of you.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: AP

If I die tonight, RCE is conf scum. Watch them all be scum JOATS.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh shit. Successful AtE af.

VOTE: Unvote

AP’s town af. If he’s scum, aww man, that was dirty. I really feel it...haha

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Shattiel

Saudade doesn’t change right there as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sheep me. We can get 4 more.

[Flavor Leaf]

the wagon on me is madly scum motivated btw

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, wait, Saudade and garmr are there.

Shatt is L-2

[Flavor Leaf]

Alright, should we switch again real fast?

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don't think Shattiel is scum

I just don’t think Saudade is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Jason. Hammer