Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

[Keyser Söze]

Naughty Naughty

Remember that deal

[the worst]

What's the deal? :<

[volxen]

@Keyser, The more I think about it, I think you may be right about TW/Irrelephant/Labrat being the scum team. If I am right about {Dr. J., Keyser, Eragon} being town, then that leaves {Ausuka, TW, Irrelephant, Labrat} by POE.

You feel pretty good about Asukua[Lefty] being town Keyser?

[Keyser Söze]

Today is about heaven.

I case your ticket to hell tomorrow.

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Going to heaven is fine by me


Korina has a real life emergency apparently... I'd expect him back in about 24h

I suppose thats the benefit of hydraing, your partner can play on...


I'm not sure I agree with those three. I read labrat as the most town, followed by tw. Irrel, kind of null, I haven't seen much either way tbh.

I definitely agree that I don't see why eragon is town here.

My strongest TR would be keyser though

[the worst]

I'm kinda bored of being talked around. I'm the self appointed town leader because I'm clearly town and broke my scumrange more than once yday--whether or not my reads are good no one has denied this or tried to speak against it.

If you think my reads are bad talk to me about it. You know my play well enough to know fluctuating WIM doesn't = scum!ducky.

[Keyser Söze]

@Keyser, The more I think about it, I think you may be right about TW/Irrelephant/Labrat being the scum team. If I am right about {Dr. J., Keyser, Eragon} being town, then that leaves {Ausuka, TW, Irrelephant, Labrat} by POE.

You feel pretty good about Asukua[Lefty] being town Keyser?

Ausuka reacted the best to my AtE/roleclaim reaction test

[the worst]

@Keyser, The more I think about it, I think you may be right about TW/Irrelephant/Labrat being the scum team. If I am right about {Dr. J., Keyser, Eragon} being town, then that leaves {Ausuka, TW, Irrelephant, Labrat} by POE.

You feel pretty good about Asukua[Lefty] being town Keyser?

Ausuka's probably town yeah.

Can you succinctly tell me why you are wrong town on those 3?

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

Eragon's post has got me thinking... Scum would be more bothered about associations/looking suspicious/being scared of being scum read.

Perhaps my interpretation of LabRat is completely wrong.




Question: why doesn't Eragon have more town credit right now? They apparently shared a 10,000 word thesis on why Creature was town when they entered the thread...?) Eragon was also off-wagon..? Asking these questions to myself right now...

Buddying exists and the second argument is wifom
I'm not sure this is ai

Maybe slihghty ai towards scum, as if he knew creature would flip town

[the worst]

strong town*** sorry
my confbias is showing

[the worst]

Eragon's case on Creature I'm pretty sure is wolfy. I need to revisit it but he had absolute conviction that Creature was town and didn't even blink to question his read. He also failed to engage with my scumcase or any contrary evidence. It was informed.

[Eragon]

Spoiler:

Hi

I dreamed we quicklynched Labby and she was town

jsyk

dayum boi you even dream about FM.
duck confirmed.

I guess that dream also had her owning up to to being a mastina alt so... grain of salt

duck confirmed.

I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser


As for the rest, by POE scum must be among them though I am not discounting my possible townreads, tw and labrat, I'm a bit shaken in those by scummy things I've seen

i think volxen is town outside of meta

mmmkay I think we look at wagons very differently. it wasn't really clear why you thought I was ever scum off wagonomics

American Presidents squad can probably back me up, vca on scum!me is a mess

thinking about Keyser but still kinda uncomfortable with him being the heaven 1 pick. if anyone actually objects to Labby please lmk?

no strong objections to solving lab, but i kinda object to sending them to heaven without being confident in their role.

actually fair point. Labby should probably be a part of sorting you.

Somehow I've gone from having tonnes of townreads to paranoid scumreading nearly everyone.

FEEL MY PAIN
my only good townreads are doc J and Volxen

While Irrelephant is away, let's talk about him
Mean things only

he's irrelevant

While Irrelephant is away, let's talk about him
Mean things only

his trunk is weirdddd

who's like
just town here?

No one is Nauci-town this game.
Even a slot like me is in contention for heaven on D2!

ye I agree
I'm disappointed in myself for how d1 went down but I still feel like the most obvious town here. Still, I don't want to go to heaven (Creature correctly identified that my reads aren't good enough to win the game from there)

who are the wolves on wagon tho

btw if this plays like last time, the town that were sent to heaven could talk after death, either
1) full-time
2) once judgement day occurs, which is effectively a full phase i think.

LabRat off it

didn't you townread them???

Not anymore.

I'd prefer Dr J over myself too.

all happy-do Doc J

Eragon's post has got me thinking... Scum would be more bothered about associations/looking suspicious/being scared of being scum read.

Perhaps my interpretation of LabRat is completely wrong.




Question: why doesn't Eragon have more town credit right now? They apparently shared a 10,000 word thesis on why Creature was town when they entered the thread...?) Eragon was also off-wagon..? Asking these questions to myself right now...

tbf i wasn't on any wagon

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

is this order to heaven or townreads?
if townreads, uhhh
why is doc J higher than you?

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

What I'm trying to determine is how many scum were on Creature's wagon. As I said before I definitely don't think there were zero scum on Creature's wagon, but I also think it's unlikely that all three scum were on his wagon. I'm torn between there being one or two scum on Creature's wagon, but I definitely feel like I really need to look at Eragon's slot. I was previously pretty skeptical of his Creature townread (I didn't understand how he came to his conclusions about Creature), but now that Creature has flipped town it's more plausible that Eragon simply picked up on town pings from Creature that most of us missed.

Keyser, are you saying here you suspect the scumteam is Irrelephant/TW/Labrat?

ftr i think i put a TL;Dr at the end of the case, and it was mostly a few towny pings that i felt were town, but not like... amazing?
you feel?

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

What I'm trying to determine is how many scum were on Creature's wagon. As I said before I definitely don't think there were zero scum on Creature's wagon, but I also think it's unlikely that all three scum were on his wagon. I'm torn between there being one or two scum on Creature's wagon, but I definitely feel like I really need to look at Eragon's slot. I was previously pretty skeptical of his Creature townread (I didn't understand how he came to his conclusions about Creature), but now that Creature has flipped town it's more plausible that Eragon simply picked up on town pings from Creature that most of us missed.

Keyser, are you saying here you suspect the scumteam is Irrelephant/TW/Labrat?

Yes, been sitting on this theory since D1, but TW's/Irrelphants/LabRats D2 posts just confirmed it in my head.

I'll explain it D3.

can you at least give a short summary?

Dr J
Keyser
Volxen

Eragon
Ausuka

Irrelephant
TW
LabRat

What I'm trying to determine is how many scum were on Creature's wagon. As I said before I definitely don't think there were zero scum on Creature's wagon, but I also think it's unlikely that all three scum were on his wagon. I'm torn between there being one or two scum on Creature's wagon, but I definitely feel like I really need to look at Eragon's slot. I was previously pretty skeptical of his Creature townread (I didn't understand how he came to his conclusions about Creature), but now that Creature has flipped town it's more plausible that Eragon simply picked up on town pings from Creature that most of us missed.

Keyser, are you saying here you suspect the scumteam is Irrelephant/TW/Labrat?

Yes, been sitting on this theory since D1, but TW's/Irrelphants/LabRats D2 posts just confirmed it in my head.

I'll explain it D3.

So you would be OK with also sending Eragon to Heaven today then? At the moment I'm leaning towards sending Dr. J or Eragon to Heaven.

as long as Doc J is fine with it, i prefer to send them, at least until i feel good about the game

Yes, Dr J firm favourite.
Eragon after you, but yes, Eragon deserves to go to heaven (they should have just followed their reads D1 and not be misled by 'the mob').

FEEEEEEL MY AGOOOOOONY

Yes, Dr J firm favourite.
Eragon after you, but yes, Eragon deserves to go to heaven (they should have just followed their reads D1 and not be misled by 'the mob').

Alright then, I'm OK with sending Dr. J to Heaven. He was the first person I townread on day one, and the fact that he townreads you makes me feel better about your slot.

VOTE: Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde

yeet

What's been going on is alot of distancing/anti distancing attempts, chainlinking players with their scum teammates, scumslips, forced town reads, discrediting and false bravado.

One thing that has concerned about me TW and Irrelephant, actually, is how easily and quickly they came to townread me this game. I am town, but in the one game where TW and I were town together (Newbie 1888), he was

extremely

critical of my slot and it took him a long time to come to around to townreading me, after heavily scumreading me first. And likewise, in the one game where Irrelephant and I were town together (Newbie 1894), it took a while for Irrelephant to townread me as well, and he definitely considered the possibility of me being scum in that game. In this game, they both quite quickly and easily came to the conclusion that I am town based on meta reasons, which is somewhat odd considering they both have quite critically scrutinized my slot in our previous games together.

Whereas with Eragon, he came to townread me pretty quickly as well, but he gave very detailed reasons as to why and it was based entirely on this game rather than meta reasons.

but would BOTH scum of Irrel/TW(lets assume for a moment) strong townread you solely based on meta if you are town?
is it worth THAT much to have one town pocketed?

Yes, forced TMI town reads.

Plus, you town read them both... until now(?)

whose reads were forced and/or TMI?

Yes, forced TMI town reads.

Plus, you town read them both... until now(?)

I'm still townreading Dr. J, and he townreads you, so that makes you at least a townlean for me, and I feel a lot better about your slot compared to day one. And I'm pretty sure Eragon is town, his townread of both me and Creature feels genuine as opposed to manufactured.

{Dr. J, Keyser, Eragon} is my town pile for the time being.

why does Doc J's townread on keyser effect your read on keyser?

Eragon, you responded and reacted correctly.

responded to what?

[Keyser Söze]

@TW

Would you vote Dr J to heaven or do you oppose?

[Eragon]

Going to heaven is fine by me


Korina has a real life emergency apparently... I'd expect him back in about 24h

I suppose thats the benefit of hydraing, your partner can play on...


I'm not sure I agree with those three. I read labrat as the most town, followed by tw. Irrel, kind of null, I haven't seen much either way tbh.

I definitely agree that I don't see why eragon is town here.

My strongest TR would be keyser though

hope Korina does well :3

side note: korina needs to post their wall before we put them to heaven

[Eragon]

I'm kinda bored of being talked around.

I'm the self appointed town leader

because I'm clearly town and broke my scumrange more than once yday--whether or not my reads are good no one has denied this or tried to speak against it.

If you think my reads are bad talk to me about it. You know my play well enough to know fluctuating WIM doesn't = scum!ducky.

i think i see the problem

[Eragon]

Eragon's post has got me thinking... Scum would be more bothered about associations/looking suspicious/being scared of being scum read.

Perhaps my interpretation of LabRat is completely wrong.




Question: why doesn't Eragon have more town credit right now? They apparently shared a 10,000 word thesis on why Creature was town when they entered the thread...?) Eragon was also off-wagon..? Asking these questions to myself right now...

Buddying exists and the second argument is wifom
I'm not sure this is ai

Maybe slihghty ai towards scum, as if he knew creature would flip town

(another assume for a moment S!me and T!creature)

First off, it wouldn't be buddying.
second, what reason does Scum!me have for going against the flow right when i enter and bringing attention to myself as the only person that TR creature(other than keyser)
you might say pocketing, and while yes, thats a possiblity, creature was not having much of an impact on the game reads-wise, so the fact you think i would "pocket" creature, while bringing everyone else's attention to myself, is ???

[the worst]

@TW

Would you vote Dr J to heaven or do you oppose?

I'm loosely ok with the proviso that I need to be nervous a little longer? because I don't feel like anuone is anxious about DrJ

[the worst]

First off, it wouldn't be buddying.
second, what reason does Scum!me have for going against the flow right when i enter and bringing attention to myself as the only person that TR creature(other than keyser)
you might say pocketing, and while yes, thats a possiblity, creature was not having much of an impact on the game reads-wise, so the fact you think i would "pocket" creature, while bringing everyone else's attention to myself, is ???

sweaty

[Eragon]

Eragon's case on Creature I'm pretty sure is wolfy. I need to revisit it

but he had absolute conviction that Creature was town

and didn't even blink to question his read. He also failed to engage with my scumcase or any contrary evidence. It was informed.

how the fuck are you still saying this.

I repeated OVER AND OVER AND OVER that i could see my case being wrong, but my gut was telling me creature was town based on what i saw from his posts.

And i did respond to your case, and contrary evidence, as you TOLD me to go respond to your case(or smth) and I responded to volxen's case on my case,

And i did question my read, especially towards EoD due to peer pressure

[the worst]

"I could be wrong but...." != reconsidering your case and engaging with contrary reads I'm gonna revisit it like I said but I really don't remember there being much flexibility

[Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde]

My point is that I don't think its AI or deserving of a strong town read not necessarily that I think thats what you were doing
Fair point though

[Keyser Söze]

Look forward to LabRat and Irrelephant's next moves.

[Eragon]

conclusion: So, i saw a lot of posts that gave me towny pings and i felt the tone was towny, but i also read a few that just made me go "WTF???" so i don't think i can consider this strong town, but i definitely have a townread here

is this fucking absolute conviction?

[snip keyser stuff]

creature is infamous from the old days for freezing up and zero posting / replacing out as scum.

which he hasnt frozen up right? hes had 155 posts and is one of the highest posters?

his scumgame has developped a lot (refer Heroes Wanted) but he is not a strong force.

again, hes not posting many reads but hes active

he struggles with posting regularly, sorting players, displaying faked nuanced reads and expressing questions in a tangible fashion.

ok this i can see, while he has been regularaly posting, he hasnt really sorted MANY players, and i actually LIKE the fact that he doesn't fake reads, and thats what gives me the townread(or one of the reasons

as scum he also struggles with answering simple questions and providing reads when asked under pressure.

he has given a few reads, and i feel a lot of what he's posted, as well as feeling scum would just bullshit a read or two to answer it instead of taking fire

as town he is very comfortable with his living ITT thing but he's also very rarely unable to handle real time interactions.

but he has done real-time interactions

he does regularly talk about game-related stuff, sure he often doesn't have highly nuanced reads but his reads are at least SOMEWHAT reasoned and usually better than level-0 town, and he is very capable of asking questions and engaging with players. he is also capable of at least pretending to pressure players as town. current scum!Creature meta is basically teasing players with what he thinks is a semblance of his towngame, but in reality I actually think it's easy to sort. Just not as easy as it used to be.

the rest of this is all understandable

Appendix I: things i wish i townread
long name: a generous showing of his entire game related ISO and why it is obvscum bullshit

Spoiler: 9 posts of a 98 post iso

Mafia Role PM

You are a

Goon

(aligned with the town).

Your teammates are: […]
You can talk to them at any time on the mafia chat. [Link]

Each phase you may vote a player in order to send them to Heaven or Hell.

You win when majority of the Mafia is sent to Heaven.
You lose when majority of the Mafia is sent to Hell.

[link] to the game thread.

[/spoiler snipped]

btw

@manatee

, just noticed that you put "aligned with the

town

" in the example mafia role-card

lmao

you can be town

this is unexplained shit but for the sake of the exercise let's pretend it's a real read

{lab}
{null}

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

You're probably only right on TW.

i'm someone who has correctly nailed him as scum more than once and who he works well with as town
i had almost zero posted

there is absolutely no chance he's itt lolscumreading me this early and doing nothing about it. but let's pretend he is.

{lab}
{null}
{tw}

(I have good feels so far: not in terms of current tangible reads, but I think nearly everyone who’s been posting will be easier to sort down the line.

Well except for Carmen’s single post

).

Which I read town for some reason

ok then,,,???

{lab, carmen}
{null}
{tw}

Me same level as creature?

Yeah, you're probably below

why when how what who what how when
{lab, carmen}
{null}
{tw, keyser???}

Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.

My first thought is I caught scum!tw from Presidents but my second thought is that I could maybe come around
Oh and creature, talk to me more on that slot @tw

He did enough for me to hesitate on

ooook

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}

Join us on Keyser?

What? Why?

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}


this is a viable wagon option which i've been pushing as a viable wagon option for ages
creature has implied he doesn't townread you and has a free vote

his hesitation is never town indicative, is scum indicative and is very very slightly partner indicative

because he rolled scum but not with you?

I think you indicated having a scumread on him too earlier

Him saying he didn't roll scum with you.

Yeah.

{lab, carmen}
{tw?}
{null}
{keyser?}

still not voting

as a caveat he spent this entire conversation avoiding engaging with me about any reads or the current state of the game

this didn't real feel very effective, and seemed like a lot of assumptions IMO.

Appendix II: scum indicators
posts spent applying incorrect self-meta, ridiculing others' scumreads without engagement, explicitly squirming and avoiding producing content, including posts in response to being actively pressed to produce content and displaying a wish for real time interactions while actively squirming in real time interactions

i will not be commenting on these because the appendix name makes my commentary fairly obvious

Spoiler: 35 posts of 98 post iso

Also, where the hell is Creature? I just realized that he's in the game trying to see who we haven't heard from.
If Creature keeps up this activity, I think its very safe to assume that he is scum.

-Kor

You've been in that game where I've been humilatingly called low-threat.

also I don't zeropost intentionally for too long as scum

That's weird, I've just been handed a note:

"I WILL BE LURKING FOR THE REST OF DAY 1. F**K META!"

- C R E A T U R E

is it a joke, or what? I don't get it

Sorry my bad joke - I was amused by the

'if Creature lurks he's scum'

post

Town!me could easily say that.

Sometimes I have a good reason to lurk

oh fun, I didn't know I was interacting with an alt
I probably will never guess who you are because I always guess alts wrong, so enjoy knowing me while I don't know you!

It wasn't obvious it was an alt?

I'm gonna aim for the long game.

Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase

Also I'd probably rave a lot during RVS like I did when I entered this thread.

Goons aligned with the town seems funny. I wouldn't notice it myself though.

Also if I was scum I'd be more willing to give townreads. I'm rn struggling to get decent reads.

actually
VOTE: Creature

lynch this today for 11/10 guaranteed scumflip

Oh cool, you've become sheepsaysmeep 2.0

if Lab/Keyser are town they can prove it

So can I

tbh I'm more ready to send players to heaven than scum to hell.

we actually just hydra'd in a game, maybe i've learned more from him than i realised?

Learned to misread me like three games a row from him?

do it I dare you!

Are they doing it now?

tbh if I did it rn it simply wouldn't be natural

In short:

most likely: SvS
second most likely: town!labby / scum!Keyser
then: scum!labby / town!keyser
probably never: TvT

You'll be a great scientist.

His saying that he doesn't do this or that as scum when its stuff he's doing it looks extremely scummy.

Never heard of this scumtell.

Like, do you expect scum to go "hey i don't post as scum" "i am posting, thus is am town"?

Give me one flipped scum then

This game seems filled with players that are a pain to read.

Join us on Keyser?

What? Why?

I think you indicated having a scumread on him too earlier

Him saying he didn't roll scum with you.

Yeah.

Creature man why can't you just bus like a normal cheeky scumfuck? You're making this too obvious

idk though, I have about 37,5% to be right and I'm not sure this is worth the risk.

Like, do you expect scum to go "hey i don't post as scum" "i am posting, thus is am town"?

Exactly.

Oh, so you used to play mafia where scum automatically make themselves the most distinct possible from textbook (meh I forgot what was the term) townplay?

Oh yeah, that game where I was afraid to post anything, had to come up with something to satisfy town (including returning to page 1 and pretending to be "catching up") and faking complete ignorance about the setup (hence why I didn't talk about it even when the Math thing was obviously scum).

It's like normal for me to have a low content:spam ratio.

Specially in a game with a low number of players and even lower number of readable players and even lower number of interesting posts to comment on.

I feel like I need to act edgy to get something out of this.

yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

I don't feel like calling someone town or scum when it's basically gun-to-my-head.

If you feel like you're too heavily under pressure here step back. Neither me nor DrJ are getting anything from talking in circles with you. Go back and solve this sucker and give us something wild.

Nah, I want to see who will hop into this thread.

yeah but normally your ISO feels like you give a fuck about solving the game

I usually value realtime interactions first.

Why are these real time interactions so wolfy then?

because you're too impatient and want my reads immediatelly.

ok so you want real time interactions but won't use the real-time interactions to solve rather than spamming incorrect self-defence meta which has been countered ane you've ignored but also won't eject yourself from the conversation to take a back seat and some independent solving because you want real time interactions with.... someone else? who's on your mind?

Man, I realtime interact the way I want.

Oh, I'll miss my hyperposting times.

Can you See the difference between that game and this game?

It's an old game, but whatever.

the majority of these are also NAI, one example being "sometimes i have good reason to lurk. i really dont see how you get a SR off that

the rest is fluffing which i'm happy enough to call NAI but i think in reality is probably faintly scum scented given his overall iso

want me to compare the above to the game you linked? i'm actually in absolute awe you're not even pretending to see the differences

sorry the bold is hard to read, but i didnt want to use colors incase i got in trouble o.0

is this not responding to your case?

Hm I disliked the start but have liked more lately. Funny.

mostly tone/incentive

like i felt early game he felt natural and consistent to himself, but later game started to feel a bit more ehhh

is this absolute conviction

viewtopic.php?p=10547758#p10547758

Comparing my iso stance to yours how do you feel? just curious, I'm starting to wonder if I'm being wrong and Creature is actually willing to be bad town to fix his lopsided meta so genuinely wanna engage w someone about this

I like your reaction post.

tbf i feel the same way

I've never played with creature here, and only shortly on MU(which annoys me, so i don't remember much) so im not too sure about the "Creature" meta, thus i went more on tone and how i felt about their posts as a whole than their meta

i can be wrong, definitely, having replaced in and all that yada yada, but my read is town

is this absolute conviction or not questioning my read?

Spoiler:

do you mean "what does eragon faking a read look like?"?

pedit: ok
keyser are you scum

what do you hope to gain by asking this question?

I don't remember eragon faking a towncase
I remember him faking a scumcase on ausuka

i can fake any case as scum if i want to

If i might do some horrid self-meta to clear things up,i find that as scum i have set parameters in what i want people to look like with my read on them, so i'll focus on making them look like town or making them look like scum as it would be. As town its more "solvey-ish" and trying to figure it out through the case,

[removed spoiler here]

First 10 posts-
-I dont see anything AI, mostly memes/not really content posts

Cool I almost posted in a game that ended months ago

Next 10 posts-i see a few things here
-196 the stuff about replacing out seems like natural interaction? I don’t really know I just kinda like the tone from it
-200 this post gives me strong town pings, specifically saying “dont send me to heaven”

21-30
-202 *pats*
-204 you poor soul.
-218 I dont know where this read comes from? He hasn’t said anything about tw, and all of a sudden “oh hey your probably right on TW”
-219 makes my heart feel warm inside 0.0 but on a serious note It does seem weird, but why would scum say a single intro RvS post reads town? pocket?

31-40
-225 prove it. Insofar you can, this post is fine, but if you aren’t trying, this is probably LAMIST

41-50
-240 personally feel towny tone here, but I also think this is a stretch
-319 why are you bringing this up again?? And the “i wouldn’t notice it myself though” sounds like “oh hey I didn’t get a scum rc so I couldn’t see that”
-323 personally I abhor self-meta, but I know people do it on this site (?) so im in-between here. Reasoning is b/c if someone knows their meta enough to comment about it, can’t they manipulate it? like, creature says “i’d give town reads as scum”
> gives like, 1 townread.
“oh hey I cant be scum”
-329 do you have a response to their vote?

51-60
-330 then does it
-331 can you elaborate a bit more on “he did enough” and why you are hesistant?
-332 towny vibes
-338 I have no idea the context, but I feel towny ping he doesn’t want to do unnatural things.

61-70
-466 isn’t that what you did? (except for saying it outloud)

71-80
-471 town ping, scum would force reads out, town wants to make accurate reads
-479 was that an actual scum read?




81-90
502 do you feel you are doing that this game? And is it normal as all alignments?
504as above town ping, scum would try to force a read
511above

91-100
525 its all well and good to try to make reads the way you want, but its normally good to have some reads by that point of the game… I still like how you aren’t giving in to people forcing you to make reads, as I feel scum would, but I think its about time…
556 mostly calm reaction to the vote, but it also strikes me a bit odd
“ I dont care if you vote me just don’t Lynch me” feels like an indirect way of saying “why the fuck did you vote me”

101-110
558 this made me laugh
568 most people like it when you give reasons for town reads ;_;
please?
572 I dont know whats going on in this post

111-120
580 :3
582 *pat*
611 do it. I dare you.
612 I also want an explanation from lab

121-130
622 why des it matter if he’s an alt?
656 what do you mean? You think volxen is scum, or you think this puts us into judgement day? And if you think volxen is scum explain. And if you think everyone is town, explain.
657 I see that too, but why go pure shade instead of asking WHY rel is sleeping TW?
662 can you explain why you SR volxen?


131-141
666 speak of the devil, please don’t do this. Odd coincidence for the post numbers lmao.
671 so basically your read is he had a wolf pop-in. Got it. But what about the rest of his posts? scummy? Towny but not enough to counter-act, null?
681 IM HERE BISH AND YOU CANT STOP THIS
682 well, its also statisticly likely that at least 1 is scum, based on there being 4/9 players and 3/9 are scum…
684 when did you change the read?

142-155
-685 try to draw a conclusion yourself, as well as asking
-686 MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
-687 again, you literally need to have worse reads than RNG(i’ve seen it happen) to not have one of these be scum
-688 do you truly believe this?
-691 I think you should
-693 so you don’t acknowledge the fact that you could be scum and people think you might be scum??????? Everyone that scum reads you, no matter what, your skeptical of?
-699 ok.

conclusion:

So, i saw a lot of posts that gave me towny pings and i felt the tone was towny, but i also read a few that just made me go "WTF???" so i don't think i can consider this strong town, but i definitely have a townread here

Alright, so you've done a fairly detailed ISO dive of Creature. And it also seems you not only believe that Creature is town, but he is your strongest townread. It seems like you came to that conclusion fairly easily, but if Creature is somehow obvious town, then several players (including myself) are missing it, so it's a bit concerning to me that he became your strongest townread so quickly and so easily. Especially because a lot of the things you listed as being townie for him could easily be faked by scum. For example:

i'll do this in blue do to large post and hard reading.
So, for you're first point, saying that creature is my strongest townread: No duh? he's the only person i've full on read this game. i don't think he's obvious town, i read his tone and some of his posts as towny, but not all, and i can definitely see some scum in there. I feel he's town, thats all. again "its concering that he became your strongest townread so quickly and easily" its not hard to be the strongest townread when theres only 1 thought through townread, now is it? ITs like saying I got first place in a one person tournament.

-196 the stuff about replacing out seems like natural interaction? I don’t really know I just kinda like the tone from it

Why is him asking Lefty whether he replaced out more likely to come from town!Creature than scum!Creature? I don't really see that as being AI at all.

Its not the comment itself, i felt the tone was slightly natural IMO, as clearly stated in my post.
"i dont know, i just kinda like the tone"
meaning its not the content thats ai, its my read on how his post read

-200 this post gives me strong town pings, specifically saying “dont send me to heaven”

Scum could do that just as well to try to make themselves look more towny, especially with his whole follow-up of "I don't plan to be sent to heaven early anyway. I'm more of an endgame guy." in post 382.

eh, agreed.

-319 why are you bringing this up again?? And the “i wouldn’t notice it myself though” sounds like “oh hey I didn’t get a scum rc so I couldn’t see that”

When Labrat brought up the typo about the mafia RC saying "aligned with town" in post 6, people were quick to point out that that may be more likely to come from scum than town (i.e., scum would be more likely to notice the typo), which may be a fair assessment. But why is Creature's response of "I wouldn't notice it myself though" townie? Couldn't that just be scum!Creature making a joke about it in jest?

This is a reason that i think Creature could be scum? did you think i was calling him town here? i felt it was kinda LAMIST actually.

-332 towny vibes

Why? In that post he says, "tbh I'm more ready to send players to heaven than scum to hell." Considering it's arguably a lot worse to send scum to heaven than it is to send a townie to hell, why does he get town points for that?

*shrug* i can see both sides of the coins, i actually misread this the opposite way, and i liked he was being consitent with "hard to get townreads right now" but re-reading it this way that is invalid.

-471 town ping, scum would force reads out, town wants to make accurate reads

Like volxen who just came here to fart and left

As in, you think DrJ and Volxen are both scum?

I expressed multiple times I scumread volxen.

Also DrJ didn't seem to do anything other than bugging me for inactivity when like the entire playerlist was inactive.

That might have been a fair point to make for Creature earlier in the game, but his read of me is either forced/faked (if he is scum) or incredibly lazy (if he is town). I asked TW legitimate questions about the Heroes Wanted game (since TW himself brought it up as his basis for meta reading Creature), and Creature responds by throwing shade at me saying I was "fart posting" by asking about the game. It came across like he was more interested in throwing shade at me rather than trying to accurately sort my slot.

i don't find "he came in to fart and then left" as a very shade-y post, but i give you if thats his only reason for Sr'ing you thats a bit odd.

Now if Creature is in-fact town, I agree with his assessment in post 682 that he probably didn't get up to L-1 without scum involvement, especially since a third of the playerlist is scum. And I am one of the people on his wagon, so it makes sense for town!Creature to be critical of my slot. But his wagon consisted of myself, Dr. J., The Worst, and Keyser. He has been throwing shade at me and Dr. J, but why is he not being critical of the rest of his wagon? He seems to be giving Keyser in particular an easy townread, as he seems convinced that Keyser is the only person on his wagon that is town. But he never explained why Keyser's joining of his wagon is more "genuine" than TW, Dr. J, or myself joining his wagon:

he hasn't explained a lot of things this game tbf, but i don't think he's being very critical of TW because i agree, i find TW pretty towny rn, and i also remember from quick skim Dr. J being pushy(which i figured out is NAI) and you not having a lot of posts, so i understand why he focuses on those 2.

Keyser feels like the most genuine atleast. The rest all have some scum equity.

Now I think there's very likely scum among {DrJ, the worst, volxen}

I could see any of them deciding to push me as scum.

Any why doesn't he consider the possibility that Keyser could be pushing him as scum as well? Why is Keyser the only person on his wagon that gets a free pass?

you are sort of contradicting yourself here, earlier you said "hes only being critical of Me and Doc J" but here it shows he thinks TW might be scum too. (i posted the above about not pushing TW based off of what you said and without reading on so im just keeping that their but you can ignore it if you want) and maybe because he thinks keyser is town??? i admit he hasn't explained it yet, and he should, but b/c he does townread keyser, why would he consider keyser is scum pushing him>?

I'm just not seeing anything in Creature's ISO or interactions that is strongly indicative of him being town. It really feels like you are giving Creature an incredibly easy townread.

maybe there isnt, maybe i am. i feel that he is town, its fine that people disagree. Its by no means a strong read, and i could see him flipping scum, i just don't think so if i was forced to give a read on the spot, i'd say town over scum.

So 724 seems to be how eragon formats any deep read he makes as either alignment (I remember learning this upon metadive to figure out his scumgame)
Umm his fake scumread of Ausuka in Watchmen Wanted consisted mostly of "Can't explain this??" and "one interpretation of this post would be ____, and that's the one I pick"
doesn't focus much on trajectory so much as isolated moments

...that's all I got, it's kinda hard to pick out what makes a fake read fake, plus at the time I believed his reads mostly

Ye pretty much.

yea I think his creature case is more consistent with how town eragon forms reads but the actual content is like... babby no....

@volxy good post gimme a sec.

why do you think the content is bad? simply cuz you disagree?

actually Era needs to respond to your post, me throwing my weight around would be a waste of time. plus I only weigh as much as a witch

^_^ ofc i'll respond.
also, im fine with you pushing the read too, it helps me iron the kinks out of my case(like the things volxen pointed out different interpretations for), and every little bit counts you fluffy little featherweight

In your opinion, does scum-Creature saying I’m the only “genuine” mofo, good or bad in terms of associations with him?

why do you even need to ask this??

about as neutral as it should be I think

So he’s just WIFOM shooting... shouting names for null fun...?

Including his scum read of Volxen + Dr J (two of the most loved slots this game)?

My brain aches because I think having nonsense reads which go against the grain is >rand town but citing meta and calling people bad when you're asked to explain them is >rand wolf (refer: my scumgame)

if he is indeed scum yeah he just yells random names. there isn't a discerbable rhyme or reason to whether or not he would treat a scumbuddy or a townie the way he's treating you I don't think

I can re dive Heroes Wanted or smth to see if it might spew you but his meta is in a state of aggressive flux so like, I don't want to

“

Yells random names

”
Good, just protecting myself incase he does flip mafia

I just thought to myself, in that scenario, he may be trying to shade two of the most established universal town reads by instilling paranoia in our minds... then link me to himself via an unexplained town read!

Good thing he isn’t scum though right!

this post strikes me as really weird, like "protecting myself incase he does flip mafia" why would town post this, or why would town plan on needing to protect themselves if their townread flipped scum??
and "good thing he isnt scum though right!" feels forced and OTT, and doesn't really fit with the rest of the post.

In your opinion, does scum-Creature saying I’m the only “genuine” mofo, good or bad in terms of associations with him?

If I may answer that as well, in my opinion its scum buddying town, given I see no reason from his perspective to see why you should be genuine. I have difficulty reading you tbh but I'd... tenatively mark you as slight town, and this goes to confirm that.

I've felt tw to be town, however, I do have a thought that he could also be scum with creature given it would be natural for him to bus his scum partner. I'm fairly confident he isn't esp as I don't think scum would be a second vote on a wagon on their partner, but I'll want to revisit that to see what other interactions there are there.

"given i see no reason from his perspective"
well i see the problem already
you can't see from his perspective
ya'll are different people with different thoughts and you can't mindread through a computer screen

why are you townreading keyser based off the thought creature is scum pocketing keyser before any flips?

lol @tw bussing that hard D1 in this setup

I don't think I can scumcase a buddy as well as I cased creature, also fwiw I'm like insanely burned out on bussing so w/e take that how you will

Rel can probably back up from that one newbie game I would rather fight uphill than bus atm, also suss open 730 or whichever one was grey flag by the awesone rurururu

i agree

@Keyser, do you think Creature is perhaps pocketing/buddying you? Does his townread of you feel "genuine"?

well if he felt like he was pocketed wouldn't that make his reads different???

He’s probably pocketed me in the sense I empathasized with his frustration yesterday (his appeal to emotion, regardless of alignment) made me want to take a step back. When you’re in the same boat as someone you can’t just help but feel like brothers. If the shoe was on the other foot and I was L-1 i’m sure he would have

unvoted too!

hammered me probably

I was hoping he would expand on his t/read of me but I don’t think that’s his style.

But the thing why try pocket only me? I’m only one vote, who hasn’t got any serious credit or control right now, so it’s a wasted buddying attempt if anything. There are lots of more persuasive players out there willing to flip him today. Eragon wasn’t even directly buddied/pocketed.. he just jumped in there with a straight town read.

yep

is this "not responding to the other points"

[the worst]

Era, I'm about to be in a shadowrun session for like 6+ hours so I'll need to respond next time I'm in front of a computer. my point stands for the time being.

[Eragon]

My point is that I don't think its AI or deserving of a strong town read not necessarily that I think thats what you were doing
Fair point though