Overkill 2: A Blood-Thirsty Stallone Themed Game

[BrightEyedFish]

We signed up for murder. It was promised.

Came up with 21(naturally I removed myself, and I'm in the list prior to that point, so that's actually 22), so RIP hebichan.

Nice try to look all random an casual but you did what you did as scum. Post 57 doesn’t help either.
I expected more from Profii, RCE, and FL at this stage, off in the scum bucket. You can get out when you say nice things about me.

Can I not be the day one lynch again? Please. I want to play a game one of these months.
VOTE: RCE

This post is towniness overload.

Let's go with the only reasonable and rational vote I can come up with right now:
VOTE: Reasonably Rational

[BrightEyedFish]

You can get out when you say nice things about me.

We won't kill you night 1.

Buddies?

While that is a nice gesture, it's still not something nice about me. I need to get my self-esteem up if I'm going to solve the game before page 10.

[BrightEyedFish]

We should all just buddy up. The buddy system’s good so none of us get lost.

I'm already lost, care to be my beacon of light in this dark dark world?

[BrightEyedFish]

So I should ask you who the scum team is on page 9?

This game's going to be just as easy as the last one. Only I'm going to be on the other side this time!

I will thoughtfully consider all scum team assumptions from everyone else before premiering my 100% accurate scum reads.

[BrightEyedFish]

We should all just buddy up. The buddy system’s good so none of us get lost.

I'm already lost, care to be my beacon of light in this dark dark world?

Bright is my buddy, he's a very nice fish.

Beat it FL.

RCE has won my heart.

[BrightEyedFish]

Bright look at all my Archenemies bullying me.

Don't worry about the haters sugar cakes. As long as you behave yourself we can beat scum together.

[BrightEyedFish]

So, there are 26 of us. Game started with 22 of us confirming our roles. Now everyone confirmed their role, but only 22 have commented in this thread. I'm almost sure the four players who confirmed last, meaning that the game started before they confirmed their roles, were Wisdom, BuJaber, BrightEyedFish and DrewVa. That means that DrewVa saw that the game already started, but didn't come to say hi. That's rude.

VOTE: DrewVa

Ohhhhhhh

The first little bit of detective work I've seen so far, keep it up. I want to join!
VOTE: DrewVa

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, BrightEyedFish, I've never played with you before under this name. If you're a public alt can you tell me who you are so I can figure out the experiences behind the points you're making?

-Cerb

This is my main and I have no [public] alt.

[BrightEyedFish]

1) I've never done anything randomly as scum. Actually, I've never done something randomly in a game of mafia, ever. At least, this head hasn't.
2) If I *had* done something randomly as scum, then my choice to do so now would have been specifically to see if people who I expected to catch it caught it(something I could do as either alignment, honestly.), as you'll see below.

40 is a post where you talk about randomly selecting someone to lynch. I just pointed it out. So regardless of your alignment you said you used a random force to select your lynching target.

Also, I don't believe I have played with either of the heads before so my comment was based solely on the above mentioned post.

[BrightEyedFish]

@BEF: Care to share where you got the information you used to draw those conclusions about our slot then, if I at least have never played with you and you do not have any alts?

-Cerb

I haven't done any meta work yet if that is what your thinking.

[BrightEyedFish]

You didn't just say "OH SUPER LITERALLY CLAIMED AS PURELY RANDOM VOTE IS SCUMMY BECAUSE OF PREEMPTIVE DEFENSE OF THE VOTE BY FRAMING IT AS RANDOM". No, you said that "you did what you did as scum". You CLEARLY had SOMETHING in mind, some behavior that we were duplicating, from a time we were scum.

So, explain.

-Cerb

What I was thinking at the time was that this super randomly generated number might not have been so random after all. If you are scum then you it would not have not acted so random. Well, I guess perhaps you could have just randomly selected a RVS vote even if it landed on a potential scum partner knowing it was RVS and you could easily slide your vote somewhere else later on without much suspicion. It just seemed a little off to me.

In my defense, if you care, was that I was also in RVS mode so I wouldn't take to much stock in the vote right now. However your reaction is not a good look and I might have to revisit my old thoughts.

[BrightEyedFish]

So no, you were not acting in RVS with that vote, and it *will* be considered as a significant vote where you failed to provide sufficient reasoning, and apparently lied about your experience with the meta of our slots.

-Cerb

I was still in RVS because I had just started reading the thread. I can't help it you got a 7 hour head start on me and used up your RVS mentality before I had a chance to even dip my toes in.
Also, when did I lie about meta? I said you voted heb

as

scum because it was the first post that came across as scummy to me. I never mentioned anything about meta. I don't where you pulled that from.

[BrightEyedFish]

So no, you were not acting in RVS with that vote, and it *will* be considered as a significant vote where you failed to provide sufficient reasoning, and apparently lied about your experience with the meta of our slots.

-Cerb

I was still in RVS because I had just started reading the thread. I can't help it you got a 7 hour head start on me and used up your RVS mentality before I had a chance to even dip my toes in.
Also, when did I lie about meta? I said you voted heb

as

scum because it was the first post that came across as scummy to me. I never mentioned anything about meta. I don't where you pulled that from.

Your wording... "you did x as scum" implies that you saw them do x previously in a game where they were scum.

Yes, RR got mixed up with the wording. I can understand why RR would think that based on semantics but I already said that my post/vote on RR was based purely on Post 40 and nothing else.

[BrightEyedFish]

Although that’s a reason in itself for scum to post s lot, so WIFOM, and NAI again. :/

I would bank on them keeping a low profile.

Like you?


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There are so many pages to get caught up with so I will be giving real-time responses to relevant posts as I go, bare with me if I comment on something that gets cleared up in the coming pages.

[BrightEyedFish]

Although that’s a reason in itself for scum to post s lot, so WIFOM, and NAI again. :/

I would bank on them keeping a low profile.

Yeah, it feels too bad to be shot when you’re scum. I’m going to look into activity this day phase a lot then. Who votes who and when. Let’s see what i get.

If I’m alive tomorrow, maybe I’ll make a chart.

This post is unsettling. Maybe 2 scum talking to each other outside of the PT... the chances?

[BrightEyedFish]

But you have to 1v1 BeF

You know I'd die for you right?

[BrightEyedFish]

did nancy finally roll scum

VOTE: drewva

VOTE: Wisdom

If anyone in this game, should know that I’m obvtown here it’s you.

Ei yei yei...
DrewVa what are you doing? I'd say def not Obvtown.

[BrightEyedFish]

youre definitely not obvtown

lol

We are thinking alike. I like that. RCE might get jealous.

[BrightEyedFish]

I kinda get that response from him, though.

I’m not necessarily scum reading you, but my vote is serious.

If that makes sense.

There is probably scum on our wagon hoping to force me to claim. I’m not falling for that.

If you’re scum here, I think that would definitely be in your wheelhouse.

Nah, I’d say hammer without claim. I also like baiting flash wagons then tunneling people who jumped on it, though.

Claims mean nothing in a game like this tbh.

That’s fucking bullshit and you know it.

Simmer down now...

[BrightEyedFish]

That just means youre going to emulate it as scum

My point is we've been over this in a game after necromancer and you reacting like this is not warranted

Now, I really think you may really be scum here. How am I reacting Wisdom? Upset at being wrongly scumread? You fucking betcha.

Unneeded ATE perhaps? Let the flailing start...

[BrightEyedFish]

DVa here

Don’t lynch me. Thanks, bye.

I’m gonna just coast. I’m probably a SK. If not SK, I’m Mafia.

Reactions? Go.

I'd vig this

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

town

Let's get to the real question. Why are you so active?

town

God this page 1 scum theater has been great
I'm really glad I rolled with you guys as my team
Like what are the chances amirite

Varsoon makes arguments that don't read like shit as scum so this is probably town too

Now this is scummy.

[BrightEyedFish]

Nancy, you're clearly aware of your meta, so everything you're saying is NAI right now.

QFT.

Though with the caveat that she DOES have limited scum time on this site, so her ability to hide the minor differences between her groupscum and town metas might be limited...but she's definitely self aware enough to at least attempt to replicate her town meta as scum.

Fair warning though Nancy, blowing up whenever someone votes you as town is simply going to get you 1)vigged an unreasonable amount of the time, and 2) lynched D1 because who the fuck wants to deal with that?

-Cerb

100% Agree.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

That’s the vote I’m most comfortable with right now.

spoonfeed me on that vote
'cus from what I've read BrightEyed just seems BushyTailed and easy.

Based on what I said in 366

Is it impossible for 2 town to be buddies or must we hate everyone?

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm scum reading BEF. In short he scum reads RR for his post, back tracks his vote that read as serious then jumps on a bw. Then says the vote on RR was RVS. I call BULLSHIT.

Well, my vote on RR was mostly RVS, I mean the post in question did come off as scummy to me but I was still in RVS. I'm on the fence with RR right now, I think RR just overreacted due due the wording of my vote post. I think we got past that.

[BrightEyedFish]

Spoiler: Profii made a list

Let's see if I can do this, I'm gonna quickly flick through isos and sort into 3 categories if i can.


more towny than scum:
DrewVa (DVa & Nancy Drew 39)
farside
Alchemist21
Varsoon
Gamma Emerald
Thor665
hebichan

Too early to tell:
Flavor Leaf
Malakitty
RCEnigma
Toogeloo
BuJaber
davesaz
Chickadee
DrippingGoofball
CheekyTeeky
Fortian (DeasVail & Regfan)
Majiffy
Amzela


more scummy than town:
Creature
Reasonably Rational (Drixx & Cerb)
Tails
Wisdom
pinturicchio
BrightEyedFish

VOTE: RR

@Profii: I think you're off when it comes to your scum list. Except maybe Fishy. But yeah...need to sharpen up those reads dude.

Why maybe me?

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok I'm caught up, at least I think. I made a little readslist, mostly gut readings as I was reading along and this is what I came up with.
Not everyone is on the list just people/posts that stood out along my way of getting caught up.

More Towny:
RCEnigma
Pint
Chick
Wisdom
Flavor Leaf
Profii
Tails

More Nully:
Gamma
Varsoon
Creature
Heb
RR
Jaber

More Scummy:
DrippingGoofball
DrewVa

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF, when you manage to get caught up, talk to me. I’m not discussing old posts.

That's all you are doing. You are discussing

old

posts from

old

games

[BrightEyedFish]

Okay I just found ths.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77288&start=25.

I was curious as to why Wisdom was voting Majiffy, so I ISO’d a towngame of his where his play was entirely different than it is here.

He has objectively speaking, the worst ISO in this game. There is 0 game content of any kind - which contrasts sharply with the game I’m linking.

so

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Majiffy

P.edit Better link.

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77288&user_select%5 ... &start=200

As contrasted with this: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=77824&user_select%5B%5D=17371

I think this is scum, sheep me.

Do I have to fucking retype this post in all caps or what? Is anyone going to bother to give me an opinion on this or what?

No one has told lme that my case is either bad or wrong, just keep taking shots at me without bothering to read it. I know why RC gets so frustrated in games now.

Radiantcowbells, that is.

Well to stay objective I only looked at his 1st 3 posts in that game and compared them with his 3 posts in this game. There might be something there later on down the ling but I don't think we have enough content from him here to compare play styles right now.

[BrightEyedFish]

I

may

be a little less active for the next couple of days due to the holidays. I'll post when I can.

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't think I paid much attention to Fishy's list as much. I just noticed him reading through a lot of pages really quickly.

Yeah, I was reading quickly.
That list I made as I was reading through that set of pages and only listed the names of those active during those 10 pages or so.

[BrightEyedFish]

OK.. Back in action.

I've got alot of stuff to sift through. For the sake of targeted readings does anyone want my opinion on anything specific or should I just comment where I see fit?

[BrightEyedFish]

I've still got some go back and look over the last few pages but I don't like being the lone vote on DrewVa, so I'll move back to

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[BrightEyedFish]

I skipped the last 10 pages.

From skimming though, I'm thinking Creature is scum. I vaguely remember Tails (I think) saying Creature was in town range. Please clarify.

VOTE: Creature

Easiest read in the game. I mentioned it a while back and tried to give Creature time to redeem himself. Other people have mentioned it. Yet no one seemingly wants to vote there.

Why do you have him as a scum read. I don't necessarily disagree but is it just a gut read or what stood out to you?

[BrightEyedFish]

UNVOTE: Creature

Ok

I'm not happy with the "content" but he's posting. So it's something.

Do you town read me? I'm posting too!

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm actually enjoying the repercussions my ultraposting has caused.

I had a series of posts earlier. Around page 22. I didn't get any as much love/hate as you got for your posts.

Maybe I should try it again...

[BrightEyedFish]

and besides the ultraposting style is something I could see coming from A50 so maybe the ultraposting should be honored in this game

[BrightEyedFish]

Why does a wisdom/nero scum team suddenly feel so right?

[BrightEyedFish]

lets lynch Wisdom and find out!

But lynching you right now would be more fun.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[BrightEyedFish]

Why does a wisdom/nero scum team suddenly feel so right?

Because you autointerpret whatever you cant understand as scum theatre

I'm just WIFOMing a little over here. There is nothing wrong with that.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why does a wisdom/nero scum team suddenly feel so right?

Because you autointerpret whatever you cant understand as scum theatre

y can't he be scum that wants to chain lynch?

Now you two agree on something. See, all bridges can be rebuilt!

[BrightEyedFish]

So let's talk about your vote being in the wrong place. Why is that?

I don't necessarily believe it's in a wrong place.

Why would you suggest my vote is in a wrong place?

[BrightEyedFish]

You are voting town. That's why it's in the wrong place. Unless you know you aren't town then your vote is fine.

Why do you think I'm scum?

I don't know. It just seemed like a good time to vote you.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why do you think cheeky is scum?

[BrightEyedFish]

I don't know. It just seemed like a good time to vote you.

A+ reasoning.

That's how I roll.

Gotta start somewhere.

[BrightEyedFish]

Although his play rn reads rather sketchy

I get that alot. The thing is, before I submit post I look and see... this post could come across as scummy.

But I hit submit anyways.

Knowing what could come.

Maybe I'm just to lazy to edit but most times when I Pedit I just erase everything and start from scratch and it ends up just a scummy sometimes.

[BrightEyedFish]

It’s not really anything to do with that. The way your interacting with Nero and Wisdom feels incongruous with your theory on them.

Well my theory is purely based on tinfoil thoughts. However my previous vote on dgb was feeling stale so I had to move it. And nero/wisdom was the current thing so I just jumped in.

[BrightEyedFish]

no one really cares how you come off but you should be hunting for scum and you aren't doing that :/

I think I am.

[BrightEyedFish]

Why am I scum then bright?

Haven't we been through this?

[BrightEyedFish]

Why do you think I'm scum?

I don't know

There you have it.

[BrightEyedFish]

That answer hasn't changed.

[BrightEyedFish]

but how can you be scumhunting if you are voting me for no reason?

Maybe the vote could be justified by your's or someone else's reaction to it. I'm not saying I have some masterplan or anything but who knows what could come of it. It's not like you are close to being lynched

[BrightEyedFish]

For example I could hypothesize that your push back against my vote on you could be Scum motivated.
The repeated attempts for more clarification from myself could be a scum strategy for me to say something slightly inconsistent that gives you and others a reason to push a wagon on me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Plus I looked back and now that I've sorted RR, RCE, and hebichan, your ISO looks way worse from my POV. We're not syncing up at all except on nero's slot, but instead of offering an alternative/additional reason for voting him you say I don't know. You can't even answer the easier question that Gamma asked.

I voted nero over wisdom because nero asked me to lynch wisdom and he isnt even voting wisdom

[BrightEyedFish]

that was my answer to gamma question

[BrightEyedFish]

@nero
Thoughts on Jaber?

[BrightEyedFish]

What I find interesting about Jaber is how he switched his vote from majiffy/Nero to me. So either he know has a sudden TR on Nero or he could be protecting him...

I feel way more confident with a vote on Jaber instead of my vote on Nero.

VOTE: BuJaber

[BrightEyedFish]

yeah bef joins the scumlist
especially if chick is red

What correlation do you see between chick and myself?

[BrightEyedFish]

youre voting her counterwagon

So why does that make me more scummy than anyone else on the Bujaber or Nero wagons?

[BrightEyedFish]

What I find interesting about Jaber is how he switched his vote from majiffy/Nero to me. So either he know has a sudden TR on Nero or he could be protecting him...

I feel way more confident with a vote on Jaber instead of my vote on Nero.

VOTE: BuJaber

You outscummed him

Why?
Because I'm unreasonable and overly suspicious?

[BrightEyedFish]

Why you pushing me? I haven't done anything to you. Did you explain why you are voting chick or are you just sheeping along? If I hear a good reason to vote chick then I will.

[BrightEyedFish]

Dave put it pretty well. To boil it down there isn't an effort to scum or townhunt from Chickadee. Even the parameters she used to scumread Creature ONLY applied to creature and none of the other slots that fit in the same category.

A chick vote makes sense but I do really love my vote on Jaber.
So I'll be reasonable for once.

VOTE: Chickadee

But RCE, I would still like to get your current read on Jaber.

[BrightEyedFish]

Can anyone explain why they're voting for Chikadee?
I don't get it.

Post 1728

[BrightEyedFish]

So?
There's minimum effort from tons of players and effort=/=alignment.
Seems like low hanging fruit and I wouldn't be surprised if the ease of momentum the wagon has is due to scum hopping on it.

I get it. But I'm even more convinced that the chick wagon is solid. That being said, I wish others would Come Out and Play so we could get them on this wagon as well.

[BrightEyedFish]

What I find interesting about Jaber is how he switched his vote from majiffy/Nero to me. So either he know has a sudden TR on Nero or he could be protecting him...

I feel way more confident with a vote on Jaber instead of my vote on Nero.

VOTE: BuJaber

Huh? How is switching his vote from Nero to you, read as protecting him?

Like, almost none of your reasons for voting/unvoting anyone are really making any sense.

Do you have both a town and scum game, you could link me too?

Well, maybe switching directions to get a new wagon to pull attention away from Nero. I was really just tinfoil thinking out loud... still could be possible though.

My wiki is pretty much up to date except for some ongoing games, so look there if you want to meta me.

[BrightEyedFish]

So why switch? Unless, we’re close to EOD/or a no lynch, why not vote your strongest scumread? I’m not saying you should vote Jaber, only questioning your jump to Chick based on this.

Even though I had a stronger SR on Jaber I also feel that a Chick wagon was warranted, I'm interested to see what Clem brings. We had 3 wagons at the time and I was on all of them. Honestly, I'd be fine lynching any of those wagons.

[BrightEyedFish]

side note i'm gonna do the exact opposite of whatever bef says

this applies for all games present and future

Why?

[BrightEyedFish]

What if I say don't vote Clem? Will you do the opposite?

[BrightEyedFish]

What if I say don't vote Clem? Will you do the opposite?

you got me there

That was easy.

[BrightEyedFish]

VOTE: Clemency

I like your vote but can I ask why you decided to vote clem?

[BrightEyedFish]

Tails, for some reason, I like you. I can’t explain why, but maybe gut just says your town to me. I have a hardcore paranoia you gonna sweep the game.

If Tails gets NKed this post will be interesting...

[BrightEyedFish]

BuJaber seems too calm about the growing wagon on him. I like RCE's recent posting. I'm feeling let down by RR though I could be misremembering when/why they started getting more active in the last game.

I agree with everything in this post.

[BrightEyedFish]

Clemency isn't doing much to redeem his slot.

and I agree with this.

[BrightEyedFish]

Anyway, bigger fish. What are you doing with your vote?

Is there a bigger Fish than me?

[BrightEyedFish]

I mean, I'm willing to vote you if you are.

I thought I was the only Fish here.

[BrightEyedFish]

my mother is a fish

Was she also BrightEyed?

[BrightEyedFish]

Anyway, bigger fish. What are you doing with your vote?

I am trying to decide who is the best vote. Chick hasn’t really done much and her Creature push was bad. Clem hasn’t done anything to improve my read on that slot.

Something about Bujaber’s tone here is way off compared with Overkill 1 and his reads - especially Cheeky and Fortian, really make no sense to me.

I think I need to check out one of his scumgames, to see if I’m imagining things wrt to his tone being off. I really can’t tell if Clem/Chick slot is scum or lazy town atm.

If we lynch Bujaber and he doesn’t flip red, we need to take another look at DGB.

Clem and Jaber are also my two preferred votes today but with Clem slightly ahead of Jaber. However, I will support wagons on both of them.

[BrightEyedFish]

Eh.
I want more Clem votes. I'd like a lynch before Friday.

I'm with Tails here. Weekends typically have less activity and we are getting into crunch time. We need to lynch Clem before we get nothing out of these 89 Day 1 pages. I also support a Jaber wagon but barring a new revelation I will not switch my vote to Jaber unless it somehow becomes the leading wagon before the deadline.

[BrightEyedFish]

That L-1 though...

[BrightEyedFish]

That will be interesting come tomorrow...

[BrightEyedFish]

Excited to see what my whispers bring me tonight

[BrightEyedFish]

Say the words pretty please? It's not often I'm right.

Yeah say em!

Somebody needs to protect my buddy RCE tonight. I think scum is afraid of him and I'll need him around tomorrow

[BrightEyedFish]

Page 100 Pagetop?

[BrightEyedFish]

Could it be possible that there was a game mechanic that disallowed any N1 NKs? Or were our protective roles on point?

[BrightEyedFish]

That L-1 though...

I still feel this was shady.

VOTE: Hebichan

And nothing since has changed that.

[BrightEyedFish]

You think the hammer was orchestrated?

I kind of get that feeling. And the push on toog to vote doesn't help.

[BrightEyedFish]

Clem was basically already dead in the water. it would have been a opportune time for scum to go for an orchestrated lynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

I would think Clem would have been a little bit faster than 10 min. if that was the case.

I thought about that too but a real quick L-1 then quick hammer would be too obvious.
I understand this is all WIFOM stuff but I feel good.

Heb hasn't posted anything that gives him town cred IMO.
I think there is something here worthwhile here.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP

I apologize for the shitty wording/grammar in that last post.

[BrightEyedFish]

That's okay. Hebi's on my list, but I want Nero first.

I'll go over Nero and see what I come up with.

[BrightEyedFish]

That's okay. Hebi's on my list, but I want Nero first.

I'll go over Nero and see what I come up with.

My heart wants to say Nero is scum but my head can decide either way. That being said, I can't find anything that suggests he wouldn't be an acceptable lynch.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP
can't

[BrightEyedFish]

Why don't we just push on Heb some more? Does anyone really have a TR on him? I would say he is guilty...

[BrightEyedFish]

We would be well off with a heb lynch today. How many times do I have to hint at it?

[BrightEyedFish]

If the guilty is not legit then there is something strange going on.

@protective roles
Keep my buddy RCE alive please or whoever you want around. My results could be tainted if heb flips town. Guess we see what I get tonight but if heb somehow flips town then I will only post my result if requested as to not skew peoples SRs.

[BrightEyedFish]

I know I have alot of explaining to do. I am very busy this weekend but I'll try to be as helpful as possible.
I don't know if I was redirected or something like that but I did get a guilty on Heb.
There is nothing in my role pm that explains why heb flipped VT with a guilty.
My N2 action brought about a No Result and again I can't explain why.
I am reluctant to say who I targeted because my results from the Nights can not be confirmed (even a No Result) after the Heb flip.

[BrightEyedFish]

1. Full explicit role claim
2. Why BEF chose Hebi
3. Who and why BEF chose night 2
4. The result from night 2
5. An explaination of the tainted comment

1. I don't want to do a full claim right now as it will be detrimental to my survival.
However, I am Rambo.

2. I chose Hebi because he was a null read.

3. Drewa was my N2 target and also because of my null read.

4. No Result

5. I believed Hebi's posts after the hammer which made me think he would flip what he claimed thus making my Result tainted.

[BrightEyedFish]

I can't explain the guilty result on Heb. Maybe I was redirected or I have some hidden modifier or something along those lines

[BrightEyedFish]

I get why people want to vote me, even if they see it as a policy lynch. However, if I get to L-1 someone with a power role should not hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

you didn't answer me
did the mod say hebi was guilty or your target was guilty?

I just got a Guilty result. Hebs name was not specified.

[BrightEyedFish]

I get why people want to vote me, even if they see it as a policy lynch. However, if I get to L-1 someone with a power role should not hammer.

You’re a super saint?

Along those lines. There is a lot of Flavor.

[BrightEyedFish]

Don't forget. I am Rambo. Would that make me town or scum? A full claim would most centainly make me a next NK.

[BrightEyedFish]

also im voting bef
guess it has to be like this

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

But it doesn't. I get that I can't be trusted and that makes it easy and understandable for a policy lynch. If that's the case, well then I can't change that. But still we don't have to let the day go to waste.
I want to help scum hunt but I feel as like I have to keep defending my play so far. I'm Rambo and I am town-aligned. The longer I am in the game the more powerful I get. My modifiers are not static. I'm practically lynch proof unless a certain role throws the hammer. (things like this are why I didnt want to full claim) If another role throws the hammer then I will be fine, but other

s

on the wagon will not.

I said the things about protecting RCE just because I don't need any night protection, at least not yet, and I wanted to *hint* for any protective roles to use their powers elsewhere. I will be fine unless I get targeted for a NK on multiple nights or by multiple factions.

As to my results, only A50 knows why they were the way they were. I wish I could tell you more but I'm as much in the dark as the rest of you.

[BrightEyedFish]

also im voting bef
guess it has to be like this

VOTE: Brighteyedfish

But it doesn't. I get that I can't be trusted and that makes it easy and understandable for a policy lynch. If that's the case, well then I can't change that. But still we don't have to let the day go to waste.
I want to help scum hunt but I feel as like I have to keep defending my play so far. I'm Rambo and I am town-aligned. The longer I am in the game the more powerful I get. My modifiers are not static. I'm practically lynch proof unless a certain role throws the hammer. (things like this are why I didnt want to full claim) If another role throws the hammer then I will be fine, but other

s

on the wagon will not.

I said the things about protecting RCE just because I don't need any night protection, at least not yet, and I wanted to *hint* for any protective roles to use their powers elsewhere. I will be fine unless I get targeted for a NK on multiple nights or by multiple factions.

As to my results, only A50 knows why they were the way they were. I wish I could tell you more but I'm as much in the dark as the rest of you.

If this is actually true and voters for you are in jeopardy if the wrong role hammers, then it is extremely antitown of you to withhold this information from us.

I wanted to try and hold out on that information until I saw that my wagon started to pick up steam which it has now.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also, I do not know which role needs to hammer. Going on flavor I am ASSUMING it has to be a power role.

[BrightEyedFish]

EBWOP
also, I Don't know the alignment of what role needs to hammer.

[BrightEyedFish]

I'm not really familiar with the Rambo movies.
Does someone eventually kill Rambo?

No, but since all roles are based on Stallone roles it wouldn't be a another character from Rambo since he only plays Rambo in those films. That being said, I have been looking through all the Rambo movie plots trying to find a hint but I haven't came up with anything.

[BrightEyedFish]

@Bujab: If it's fake, that's the whole point of the really weird 'only one person can hammer me AND it will mess up people on my wagon'. That's like a hugely survivalistic thing to claim.

one could argue that Rambo is very survivalistic and will never go down alone.

P-EDIT
@profii
Are you confusing Rambo and Rocky?

[BrightEyedFish]

Ok screw it. I didn’t want to claim like this but since people are still giving Benefit of the Doubt here...

I Tracked BEF N1 and saw he visited nobody. That’s how I knew the guilty was fake. I Tracked Cheeky N2, which you can see in that flavor hint, and she visited BEF which is why I speculated BEF having a PGO role.

He’s not backing down from his bullshit so I’m calling it out.

My N1 results were all jacked up too perhaps you were in the same boat?

[BrightEyedFish]

My result explicitly said that my target didn’t leave their home. Now you called guilty on a player and I knew you didn’t have one and that person flipped Town. From what I can see you’ve just been lying the whole time and this “everyone on my wagon will die” claim sounds like more bs to scare us outta lynching you.

N1 was all kinds of crazy I don't trust any results from then. Im not even sure about N2.

That being said, let's say you are correct, That doesn't put me as a suspected PGO as Scum and it sure as hell doesn't put you a, Tracker, as town.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also,
if I were PGO and you visited me N1, wouldn't you be dead right now?

[BrightEyedFish]

Not with a global doctor

oh, forgot about toog.

[BrightEyedFish]

Spoiler: Toog was

This is about the only slot I don't need to check back to see what role they got all game. It was a 1/26 shot, and you still did it!

You are the mighty "Sylvester Stallone" himself (i.e. Not a character in a movie), and as such you can only be an

Actor

, right? This means you are quite the inverse of a Priest.

You can only vote if your vote is the HAMMER. Otherwise; you shall be modkilled.

HOWEVER; Stallone is also a director, so maybe you should have a say on how matters go? OK, you also have a

1-Shot Global Doctor

ability (after all, Mr Stallone was the Director of "Stayin' Alive" in 1983). You can activate this ability at any chosen night, and it will give each and every player a "normal" Doctor protection on that night. (Doctors can only save from one NK, and cannot stop strongman kills.)

To be clear: You are NOT a "Hammerer", so you are

not obliged

to lay the hammer. However, that is the only time you are allowed to vote at all.

Since you are still aligned with the town; your win con is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

P.S. I'm -of course- referring to the 1-shot Global Doctor bit.

I went back and looked at the global doctor thing, and after reading his role pm again, I am thinking that perhaps toog was the only one who could hammer me. This is a theory but it would at least fit with the flavor.

[BrightEyedFish]

Also,
if I were PGO and you visited me N1, wouldn't you be dead right now?

I never asserted you were a scum PGO; I thought you were possibly Town trying to draw scum to you on N2. . I also specifically said you could be an

active

PGO and activated your power N2. Anyway, that hypothesis died when you kept up the “I investigated Hebi” act which I do not buy.

I just assumed you think Im scum because you are voting me.

[BrightEyedFish]

Spoiler: Toog was

This is about the only slot I don't need to check back to see what role they got all game. It was a 1/26 shot, and you still did it!

You are the mighty "Sylvester Stallone" himself (i.e. Not a character in a movie), and as such you can only be an

Actor

, right? This means you are quite the inverse of a Priest.

You can only vote if your vote is the HAMMER. Otherwise; you shall be modkilled.

HOWEVER; Stallone is also a director, so maybe you should have a say on how matters go? OK, you also have a

1-Shot Global Doctor

ability (after all, Mr Stallone was the Director of "Stayin' Alive" in 1983). You can activate this ability at any chosen night, and it will give each and every player a "normal" Doctor protection on that night. (Doctors can only save from one NK, and cannot stop strongman kills.)

To be clear: You are NOT a "Hammerer", so you are

not obliged

to lay the hammer. However, that is the only time you are allowed to vote at all.

Since you are still aligned with the town; your win con is to eliminate all evil to get your win. GOOD LUCK.

P.S. I'm -of course- referring to the 1-shot Global Doctor bit.

I went back and looked at the global doctor thing, and after reading his role pm again, I am thinking that perhaps toog was the only one who could hammer me. This is a theory but it would at least fit with the flavor.

So the only one who could hammer you safely is already dead? Just stop with this lying already.

Just a theory.

[BrightEyedFish]

dude you claimed scum the moment you doubted your "guilty" before the flip
give up

Then you won't mind hammering me.

[BrightEyedFish]

It won't be just the person who hammers unless they happen to have that role.

[BrightEyedFish]

And I will survive.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF: I highly recommend EXPLICIT statements, not vague warnings.

-Cerb

I've already said all that.

[BrightEyedFish]

BEF: I highly recommend EXPLICIT statements, not vague warnings.

-Cerb

I've already said all that.

3613

[BrightEyedFish]

For example, state the fucking role that can kill you. State the role that causes others to die. If you don't have that information, tell us what you BELIEVE those roles to be, and why.

-Cerb

I don't know the role. I suspect toog due to his role pm, but that's too late and that's just a theory.

[BrightEyedFish]

What made you think Toog was the rolemthat can hammer you BEF

Like specifically

He could only hammer. And I can only be lynched by a "real" hammer.
It's just my interpretation I could be diving to much into the Flavor. The

[BrightEyedFish]

Is "can only be lynched by real hammer" text from your role pm?

-Cerb

I paraphrased as to not break any rules.

[BrightEyedFish]

Elaborate on your fucking theories BEF. You have two posts and an arbitrarily small amount of time to do so. If youve posted twice more or take too long you obviously don't have any actual fucking theories.

-Cerb

Pedit: and the rest?

Give me time. I don't want to lose any PRs that may exist on my wagon. I won't die anyways unless toog isn't the one to hammer me and the real hammer actually does.

[BrightEyedFish]

And FYI, I have to sign off for the night and I have a work thing tomorrow. I'll try to post but it might not be till later Sunday. If you can hold off till then. Please do.

PEdit
Either all odd or all even votes will go down. I will not say which. And I guess the 4 Max kills per day thing will take effect too.

[BrightEyedFish]

Great game.
Thanks A50.

Who will be my next guilty?