Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[Almost50]

Okay but the point is you keep forgetting he’s clear and you thought the Shema and I were separate people. To someone who is town it just looks like you’re trying to feign generating content but keep screwing up.

Yes, because scum!me would totally go nomadic rather than have a solid plan. Did you even care to meta dive me before you made this post? NVM, meta. Do you think that's how I bloody won 5 out of my 8 previous scum games?

[Persivul]

Yes, because scum!me would totally go nomadic rather than have a solid plan.

Personally, if I roll scum and I'm in several games - yeah, there's really not much reason to pay close attention during D1. Just enough to not do stupid shit like forget who the IC is, even after noting that he's IC.

Did you even care to meta dive me before you made this post? NVM, meta. Do you think that's how I bloody won 5 out of my 8 previous scum games?

You know that's just 1 better than expected, right?

[Persivul]

Votecount 1.10

LolWagons(4)

~ Gamma Emerald(42), Almost50(45), ReaperOfSouls(7), Clemency(33)

Gamma voted Shema in 44 and hasn't moved since.
Reaper has 7 posts and 1 vote, and merely used your call for votes as an excuse to vote here.
Clem plays more for fun than for real analysis and is also riding your coattails.

I mean, come on Almost, are you really feeling good about being on this wagon?

[Persivul]

Personally, if I roll scum and I'm in several games - yeah, there's really not much reason to pay close attention during D1. Just enough to not do stupid shit like forget who the IC is, even after noting that he's IC.

Although really, after my last post - yeah, I doubt even a distracted scum!Almost would be on that wagon.

[Persivul]

Went to check meta on egix. In Newbie 1898 he was town, and he had more posts and more content in those posts than he has here, so I was getting excited. But, in 1890 he was scum...and he also had more posts and more content in those posts.

[Almost50]

Votecount 1.10

LolWagons(4)

~ Gamma Emerald(42), Almost50(45), ReaperOfSouls(7), Clemency(33)

Gamma voted Shema in 44 and hasn't moved since.
Reaper has 7 posts and 1 vote, and merely used your call for votes as an excuse to vote here.
Clem plays more for fun than for real analysis and is also riding your coattails.

I mean, come on Almost, are you really feeling good about being on this wagon?

YES. DEFINITELY YES! The more I get attacked for it and the more certain slots want me to switch my vote the more I am confident this is a scum slot and I'm not moving off him unless he gets mod confirmed to be town somehow.

As for the post before this one, you said yourself.. it wouldn't be to the point you forget who the IC was. But I'll even raise you one: I am NOT you. I have a reputation as a good scum player that I have to defend, and being this inattentive doesn't help. You do know scum wins rely more on the specific slot play, while many of my town wins I just grabbed by sacrificing myself (baiting the NK on N1 as a VT). This tactic (baiting the NK) still earns me some credit since it's basically a 1-night protection on all TPRs, so I feel like I did contribute enough to each and every Town win I have on my wiki. Now go check how I win AS SCUM and see if I ever appear inattentive (or even lead wagons on D1 for that matter) at all. My alignment in each game is marked in the table on my wiki, so you won't have to search for a scum game.. just right click the one(s) you want to check and see how I play scum.

Note: This isn't to say my Scum game is easy to point out. Sometimes I do play my town game as I play my scum game, but the inverse isn't valid. There are things I only do as TOWN, and I only do them when I want to OBV!TOWN for whatever reason.

[Almost50]

Like, you started off by being suspicious of me, and now you're trying to convince me the other votes on the wagon are bad? Really? Do you thing the whole scum team decided to tunnel a lurker??

[Persivul]

I have a reputation as a good scum player that I have to defend, and being this inattentive doesn't help.

You know that unless you were playing a lot of multiball (and you weren't), 5 for 8 is just one better than random, right?

[Persivul]

Like, you started off by being suspicious of me, and now you're trying to convince me the other votes on the wagon are bad? Really? Do you thing the whole scum team decided to tunnel a lurker??

No. But, I think if this wagon hangs on, it might end up going to lynch by default. If he flips town, those three will just blow it off by saying they got on when the slot was vacant, and as deadline approached they didn't think there was time to go elsewhere.

I don't have a problem with them voting for wagons, but I think they should have real reasons for doing so, or it's a crap wagon.

[0verki11]

If anybody wants to Meta read me I played in newbie 1999 (I think) as scum
And ive played on the ToS forum under the same name.

[Dunnstral]

Also, Dunnstral's on this wagon and you guys know I'm not a fan of him.

Got any reasoning that isn't just "I voted for you"?

[Dunnstral]

Lolwagons is a bad wagon

[Almost50]

I have a reputation as a good scum player that I have to defend, and being this inattentive doesn't help.

You know that unless you were playing a lot of multiball (and you weren't), 5 for 8 is just one better than random, right?

But I was! At least one of those was Multiball, and the 3P win was as a Serial Killer.

But that's not the point, man. GO CHECK how I play SCUM. I WIN games for my team.

Wait.. actually ate least TWO .. let me go check

OK THIS ONE was multi mutliball.

And THIS ONE too (I don't think this one's even included in my stats).

But go check this game, or this one, or -more recently- this one for examples of how I win as scum.

And if you like, check [url=viewtopic.php?f=23&t=76042[/url] for the last time I lost as scum.

[Almost50]

Lolwagons is a bad wagon

What's a good wagon, Dunn?

[Persivul]

But I was! At least one of those was Multiball, and the 3P win was as a Serial Killer.

No you weren't! One was a real multiball.

Games are supposedly balanced for a 50/50 win rate. Out of 8 games, average players win 4.

[Dunnstral]

Lolwagons is a bad wagon

What's a good wagon, Dunn?

I've given opinions on this already

[Almost50]

Lolwagons is a bad wagon

What's a good wagon, Dunn?

I've given opinions on this already

You want me to sheep you blindly? I want a CASE if you want me to sheep you. You know how I roll.

[Gnelf]

I am still suspicious of Clemency, besides snarkily posting wikipedia he hasn't make a legitimate defense

[Egix96]

Also, Dunnstral's on this wagon and you guys know I'm not a fan of him.

Got any reasoning that isn't just "I voted for you"?

Okey dokey then, it's time for me to get my big boy pants on and make an effort to engage with you here.

VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

Now that quite a lot has happened since you wrote this, do you still stand by it? Could you elaborate on this read?

VOTE: Egix96

This guy is vaguely scummy

With only 2 posts?

With the rate this game is moving, sure

Why?

Because I said so Lovebird

You obviously didn't have a concrete reason at the time.

I'm not allowed to have vague scummy feelings on someone for bad voting on page 3?
Do I have to firmly believe what I'm saying to place a vote? Why not go hound ejix or whatever his name is


And 1 scum point is nothing, you need 7

How can you say it's 'bad voting' when a) I voted the Cleric slot WELL before the IC reveal and b) I don't know if you're town or not?

I think Sherma is towny. Other site, you can get votecounts without mod. So, it makes sense to ask. Plus, shows he's looking at the thread and wants to play

This is a bad read btw

Shema doesn't deserve votes

What changed?

[Gamma Emerald]

I can answer the last point
Nothing, Shema just wasn’t his preferred lynch

[davesaz]

Votecount 1.11

LolWagons(5)

~ Gamma Emerald(43), Almost50(56), ReaperOfSouls(7), Clemency(38), 0verki11(13)

Almost50(3)

~ MariaR(25), PenguinPower(8), LolWagons(48)

Clemency(2)

~ Gnelf(9), Dunnstral(35)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Persivul(37)

Egix96(1)

~ Lovebird(26)

Dunnstral(1)

~ Egix96(23)


Not Voting (0):

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-12-08 19:30:59)

[MariaR]

How are you content to be on a wagon like that gamma ewwwwwww

[ReaperOfSouls]

Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote. Quite the opposite.

[Persivul]

Started as a wagon to ensure pressure. But lol hasn't given me a reason to remove my vote.

Quite the opposite.

OK, what's your case on him?

[Almost50]

1- Against my better judgement, I'm going to take Egix out of my scum pool and put him at the bottom of my Town pile. DO NOT ASK for an explicit explanation. You won't get one at this time. (If you want one, do your own homework)

2- I still can't understand why Percy & Maria are so nervous about the wagon on LolWagons in particular. Maria's 396 directed at Gamma is almost identical to Percy's 377 directed at me.

I double checked the wiki, and this is the closest I got:

M = Innocent Child (Confirmed at start of Day 1 by mod)
MM = 2 Masons
MMM = 2 Masons + Innocent Child
MMMM = 3 Masons
MMMMM = 2 Masons + 2 Masons (i.e. two separate pairings)

MMMM (however unlikely) would have been my guess, except we do have a confirmed IC, which means we canNOT have a 3-way Masonry, so

even assuming

2 of them are Masons I dunno how it works for the 3rd of them. (Like, if Lol is Masons with Percy/Maria then the other one of Maria/Percy is acting weird. If it's Percy AND Maria the Masons, then they have nothing but their own reads on Lol. Furthermore, there are FIVE votes on him, so at least 2 Townies think otherwise, and that's assuming the 5% probability the whole Scum team has thrown their weight behind a lynch on a slot that at some point was considered a lurker).

Come on, guys.. throw me a bone here.. what's up? Did Lol or Shema crumb something that I missed?? I don't think so.

However, I am keeping an open mind still and am willing to vote elsewhere provided someone presents me with a

good case

(and don't you dare respond with "what's your case on Lol", because if you do the response will be "if I'm voting someone for bad reasons or no reasons at all then -at least- I'm gonna pick my own target to vote". Give me something that makes me want to move to another specific slot. Thank you