Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Town claiming pgo instantly loses all it's utility, scum will never target it. Scum claiming pgo gives itself a free pass from all night threats. If I was scum and got dealt a pgo safeclaim id be looking to claim it asap.

Town claims it if they're a doctor or cop or some sort of strong role that doesn't want to get night killed but can't guarantee its own protection.
Here's the thing though,
Does anyone know what Irrel's history of fake-claiming is?

When does town ever claim doc, since presumably doc can’t protect itself?

[Shoshin]

When does town ever claim doc, since presumably doc can’t protect itself?

To out who they protected from a nightkill.

[AlmostNancy]

Nancy, join us on Key!

Why is Key scum though?

Anyway, feeling better about Xtoxm.

[Shoshin]

Why is Key scum though?

Because he's not town.

[AlmostNancy]

When does town ever claim doc, since presumably doc can’t protect itself?

To out who they protected from a nightkill.

Oh, after the fact.

[AlmostNancy]

Why is Key scum though?

Because he's not town.

Lol, that doesn’t answer my question. Why is he not town?

[Xtoxm]

Xtom, can you give me a quick rundown of where all your reads are at the moment?

So I tried starting one but realised I'm not confident enough in reads to really do this yet

[Shoshin]

Why is he not town?

He's done nothing towny. Everything he's posted feels much more careful than I'm used to from town Key, less willing to put himself out there, and none of it has any hint of towniness. He's also much less present than usual. It's a far cry from his play as town.

Do you townread him?

[Shoshin]

Xtom, can you give me a quick rundown of where all your reads are at the moment?

So I tried starting one but realised I'm not confident enough in reads to really do this yet

I don't really care if you're confident in the reads, you can change them later, but I'd like to know where you're at.

[AlmostNancy]

Why is he not town?

He's done nothing towny. Everything he's posted feels much more careful than I'm used to from town Key, less willing to put himself out there, and none of it has any hint of towniness. He's also much less present than usual. It's a far cry from his play as town.

Do you townread him?

I dunno, I did earlier but I will trust your meta read.

@Key, your response to this?

[Irrelephant11]

I recommend anyone who scumreads Mew take a look at his play in the recently finished Fortnight game.

ok, what about that game makes you think he may be town here?

Yeah I glanced at it (admittedly not very thoroughly) before you suggested this and don’t know how it makes new town

Xtoxm still has lots of scum equity, and I agree that my reason to townread him is pretty weak
@Xtoxm what makes you think my claim is more likely to come from scum? Personal experience? Something else?
I trust in this town to return to xtoxm EOD if other lunch candidates town it up.

Town claiming pgo instantly loses all it's utility, scum will never target it. Scum claiming pgo gives itself a free pass from all night threats. If I was scum and got dealt a pgo safeclaim id be looking to claim it asap.

Right, I forgot about safeclaims.

I still wonder how they townlocked us so fast, only to unceremonious dump us from the obvtown block. Who do I consult about a refund?

It was about 98% to do with skitter’s A50 townread, which I retracted after she retracted

[skitter30]

I recommend anyone who scumreads Mew take a look at his play in the recently finished Fortnight game.

ok, what about that game makes you think he may be town here?

Yeah I glanced at it (admittedly not very thoroughly) before you suggested this and don’t know how it makes new town

yeah, i skimmed that iso too - there's a fair amount of trolling/shitposting, but towards the end he became more serious. he had more definitive opinions there, whereas here i feel more like he's equivocating if that makes sense

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Was it NM who replaced Saude?

mewtaph replaced saude

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Also that reasoning makes sense but I have remera reasons to believe I’m likely to get targeted by investigative and/or protective roles this game. I recognize that my claim does make me a lylo liability (since I can’t ever be confirmed), and it becomes mechanically necessary to lynch me before lylo

@xtoxm - i don't really think scum!irrel would approach a pgo claim this way

if he were a pgo i think he'd actually try to get investigated/visited if he were scum

if scum!him had it as a fake-claim .... i guess i can kinda see him doing this? but not really? like the way he approached it just kinda makes a lot of sense from town!him

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Does anyone know what Irrel's history of fake-claiming is?

i've played with i think three games with town!him - he fake-claimed in none; i don't really see him fake-claiming pgo here

(i've never played with scum!him)

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I know this isn’t adressed to me but I still feel good about Nauci and I don’t know Skitter’s meta like A50 but their ongoing waffling on our slot is kind of giving me the heebie jeebies but A50 may see it differently. \_0_/

if he made himself readable i wouldn't be waffling about it; i don't really feel like my inability to come to a firm conclusion is entirely my fault here

[AlmostNancy]

This is hype.

So Varsoon I wonder if this finally the game where we're on the same team at like the 7th attempt?? Don't let me down man.

VOTE: shosin

I was already getting scum vibes from calling a bunch of different people town for no reason and campaigning for a policy lynch is just a dick move

@varsoon. I'm not downgrading skitter (I mean I don't have much in the way of reads on anyone yet). What I notice is skitters were a bit more spread out, so perhaps that's why I didn't see her doing it

Lol @ having 2 strong instant scum reads in a large game. Get ove4 yourself.

Yeah, because anyone claiming strong reads this early in the game is more likely to just be lying.

You know if varsoon wasn't in this game I would just replace out at this point because the attitude coming from many players is totally disgusting

if it's because he's losing

It's D1

Anything can happen

Yeah he nailed me and my entire scumtean in rvs and thats why i got so upset

Its like you're the only one with a brain in this game

Altho I think varsoons just doing his own weird shenanigans and doesnt actually believe in this so I'll let him off

What're your thoughts on Xtom?

Oh sorry, missed this. I’m feeling better about him, since he seems to be trying to solve. I’ll know better when he gives more reads.

[Xtoxm]

Town
Creature, Varsoon
The worst

Nulltown
Nauci, Keyser, spotter

Nulls - everyone else

Nullscum
Mewtaph, NM

Scummy
Shoshin, a50, irre

There. Now you can mock me after the game for how bad they are.

[AlmostNancy]

I recommend anyone who scumreads Mew take a look at his play in the recently finished Fortnight game.

ok, what about that game makes you think he may be town here?

Yeah I glanced at it (admittedly not very thoroughly) before you suggested this and don’t know how it makes new town

Xtoxm still has lots of scum equity, and I agree that my reason to townread him is pretty weak
@Xtoxm what makes you think my claim is more likely to come from scum? Personal experience? Something else?
I trust in this town to return to xtoxm EOD if other lunch candidates town it up.

Town claiming pgo instantly loses all it's utility, scum will never target it. Scum claiming pgo gives itself a free pass from all night threats. If I was scum and got dealt a pgo safeclaim id be looking to claim it asap.

Right, I forgot about safeclaims.

I still wonder how they townlocked us so fast, only to unceremonious dump us from the obvtown block. Who do I consult about a refund?

It was about 98% to do with skitter’s A50 townread, which I retracted after she retracted

Why would you completely retract your townread based solely on what Skitter thinks?

[Irrelephant11]

I don’t think I’ve ever fake claimed as either alignment? Off the top of my head
I read the wiki about rolling PGO and it said it’s often a good idea to claim to avoid town deaths
So I did

I don’t think anyone should be reading me solely off my claim anyway but maybe that’s just me

@shoshin re:mewtaph I see what you’re saying about his townread of me, but I kinda feel like his reasoning implicated himself as scum in the process, and I’m not currently very lynchable, so it’s not a very exciting read to arrive at. I want more before I have anything resembling a townread (whether or not it’s based on meta)

[Shoshin]

Nulltown
Nauci, Keyser, spotter

Why is Key leaning town?

[Irrelephant11]

@Nancy neither of us completely retracted our townreads. I have seen Skitter successfully read A50 with crazy accuracy off like two posts (we won’t the Coalition setup this way once) and so when she townread A50 that was enough for me; I didn’t need anything else. When she retracted the strength of the read, I moved you from town block to townlean (which is where my read on you is without depending on skitter’s meta relationship with A50).

[Shoshin]

@shoshin re:mewtaph I see what you’re saying about his townread of me, but I kinda feel like his reasoning implicated himself as scum in the process, and I’m not currently very lynchable, so it’s not a very exciting read to arrive at. I want more before I have anything resembling a townread (whether or not it’s based on meta)

How'd he implicate himself as scum?

[Irrelephant11]

@skitter define “equivocating” in that context?

Pedit: “I was thinking about how scum would interact with the shoshin/Varsoon thing and I think scum would just *not interact with it*” which just so happens to be true about his slot

[Irrelephant11]

Shoshin you might be right about mewtaph and if you are I’ll hopefully come around soon but I’m gonna explore it further and i think it’s helpful regardless of which of us is right for my vote to be on him while I scumread him

[Irrelephant11]

In other news Skitter/Nauci and Skitter/AlmostNancy are never scumteams

[Xtoxm]

Nulltown
Nauci, Keyser, spotter

Why is Key leaning town?

Its not as strong as a lean. Someone asked me earlier to comment on him, so I iso'd him, and he seemed to have a fair amount of content and none of it looked bad to me so I put him on the town side of null. Saying a lot without looking scrummy is worth something when I have so few town reads.

[skitter30]

@skitter define “equivocating” in that context?

Pedit: “I was thinking about how scum would interact with the shoshin/Varsoon thing and I think scum would just *not interact with it*” which just so happens to be true about his slot

being hedge-y; not having firm conclusions; calling large/vague groups scummy without really referring to anyone in particular; calling people town for vague reasons, and when pressed, coudln't actually point to one thing in particular he thought was townie

in otherwords - his posts didn't actually say anything

[AlmostNancy]

Town
Creature, Varsoon
The worst

Nulltown
Nauci, Keyser, spotter

Nulls - everyone else

Nullscum
Mewtaph, NM

Scummy
Shoshin, a50, irre

There. Now you can mock me after the game for how bad they are.

Yeah, they’re pretty bad. We’re not scum and I’m pretty confident Shoshin isn’t either. The only really good read of yours, is the worst.