[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Persivul]

DVa (L-2)

: NotNova, Egix96, Lamees, bristep123,
Persivul

rb (L-4)

: Leodanny, Something_Smart, DVa

Dunnstral (L-5)

: Auro, rb

Leodanny (L-5)

: Thor665, Dunnstral

Lamees (L-6)

: Malakitty

Every time you switch off a lurker to push someone who is talking *only because they are talking* you give the lurkers REASON to lurk

This game is basically unreadable because NO ONE IS EXPLAINING JACK SHIT in their reads, and that is because the lurkers are giving a hard pass for NO REASON

So you're voting a top poster instead of a lurker. WTF am I missing something?

VOTE: DVa

[bristep123]

no more strong pings, said already though that I don't like the talk about using Lamees claim to try and mechanic a slot. Anyone who was soft pushing that needs some studying.

[Persivul]

Does anyone know if she gets this tilted as town?

I don't, gonna have to check her meta at some point.

Once I was scum and in the pregame, one of my buddies said something like

I'm not good at normal play as scum, but if I can get into a 1v1, I can usually get town read

.

Reading DVa's attack on rb brought that to mind for some reason...

[Persivul]

Neither of you are going to be today's lynches, so let's not have that spiral.

I really hate comments like this.

[Persivul]

Thanks for taking the time to explain the game to me mister, I'll sure make sure I'm a hundred percent better player now!

I know, it's like Auro thinks we voted him king or something.

[Auro]

So you're voting a top poster instead of a lurker. WTF am I missing something?

Asking people to stop defending lurkers =/= voting for a scumread, why can't someone take an active stance against lurkers and *also* vote someone being scummy and frustrating? I don't get it.
I think DVa is a bad lynch, and her I think her wagon prolly has scum on it.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the game to me mister, I'll sure make sure I'm a hundred percent better player now!

I know, it's like Auro thinks we voted him king or something.

Eh, I don't care for that -- my motivation behind that post was to implore and figure out *why* he felt engaging on a case was a bad thing. He explained it was majorly an early gut read based on recent posts, and I think that's a satisfactory response. Feel free to disagree with me, but this is how I play.

[Persivul]

It's not just that. See above - you declaring that certain people won't be the lynch. I really hate it when someone thinks they're in charge of the whole town.

[Persivul]

I think DVa is a bad lynch, and her I think her wagon prolly has scum on it.

DVa (L-2): NotNova, Egix96, Lamees, bristep123, Persivul

Who?

[Auro]

It's not just that. See above - you declaring that certain people won't be the lynch. I really hate it when someone thinks they're in charge of the whole town.

Oh, I think you're reading that incorrectly -- I wasn't quite "declaring" that they wouldn't be the lynch.
I meant something along the lines of "You both don't look like you're today's lynch at this point; this is blowing out of control; please stop".

Obviously I'm not in control of the town, looking at how DVa's at L-2 already for what I think are meh reasons.

[bristep123]

No point getting worked up about a L-2 wagon, it's good to have wagons it lets us see how people react to the pressure and also provides voting patterns for later day readbacks.

[Persivul]

Oh, I think you're reading that incorrectly

Ah, so now it's my reading comprehension that's at fault.

-- I wasn't quite "declaring" that they wouldn't be the lynch.

Yes, you did.

I meant something along the lines of "You both don't look like you're today's lynch at this point; this is blowing out of control; please stop".

At that point rb had top wagon and DVa was tied for second wagon. How did you conclude that neither looked like they'd be today's lynch?

[DVa]

it's good to have wagons it lets us see how people react to the pressure and also provides voting patterns for later day readbacks.

You're absolutely right, voting someone with no explanation and then acting defensive for being asked to explain your read is something that's likely to generate very good content on the off-chance that the person you're voting actually is town

It's not at all make them uninterested in helping you solve the game

thor/NN/mala

UNVOTE:

Bye

[bristep123]

Great content, thanks for stopping by(e).

[Lamees]

@DVa are those your scum reads?

[Auro]

I think DVa is a bad lynch, and her I think her wagon prolly has scum on it.

DVa (L-2): NotNova, Egix96, Lamees, bristep123, Persivul

Who?

I didn't mean I'm scumreading anyone in particular.
Lamees is town IMO, so are you.
NotNova's earlier response was fine but I he's gone back to lurking. NotNova, Egix, bristep are all possibilities here IMO.

I meant something along the lines of "You both don't look like you're today's lynch at this point; this is blowing out of control; please stop".

At that point rb had top wagon and DVa was tied for second wagon. How did you conclude that neither looked like they'd be today's lynch?

You're justified in reading it the way you did; I'm not implying that you shouldn't have -- hence the clarification on my part.
With a lot of time remaining, it wasn't definite that one of them was going to be the lynch, and I felt they were acting as though they were locked in a 1v1 to the death.

[Auro]

It's not at all make them uninterested in helping you solve the game

thor/NN/mala

If you're town, exiting the game now is only going to attract more votes and get you ML'd, DVa.
Why are you suddenly scumreading Thor? Can you explain your town/scumreads?

[Auro]

exiting the game now

Oh nevermind, I think I misread.

[Lamees]

Wait those arent scum reads those are inactive players.

[MiniDeathStar]

Notice

DVa

has requested replacement.

Leodanny

needs to post within (expired on 2018-12-16 15:00:00).

[DVa]

That's definitely a very good argument, Lamees, a solid rebuttal to my last list

VOTE: DVa

that's L-1

no one who hammers here should be scumread for hammering although you're welcome to scumread for other reasons if you want

come on, save MDS the replacement hassle

[Lamees]

I'm not disputing anything just wondering whether it was your scum reads or the inactive list.

[Lamees]

You didn't give much clarity.

[Lamees]

I would usually unvote after this kind of tantrum since I don't get why this would come from scum, but after that game where I saw you as scum team I think anything is within your range. So anyone please feel free to hammer imo.

[Auro]

I would usually unvote after this kind of tantrum since I don't get why this would come from scum, but after that game where I saw you as scum team I think anything is within your range. So anyone please feel free to hammer imo.

I'm agreeing with Lam here, I thought her frustrations were towny but the self-vote, WTH? Eww.
That's usually a scumtell and is *never* beneficial for town. DVa

knows

this.
I think if this is scum!DVa is doing it intentionally, she knows she's being lynched and wants the day to end quicker?

[DVa]

This isn't a tantrum, this is optimal play.

If I am scum, I am anti-spewing to avoid giving associative tells with my scumbuddies.

If I am town, statistically town has a higher rate of winning on a day 1 mislynch and there's no reason it shouldn't be me if I'm replacing out anyway.

Either way this is an absolutely solid gold hammer opportunity. My play here is totally within my scumrange, and if you look at Dolphins, I even have a history of replacing out under pressure. It all fits together rather nicely. And do you really want me alive on day 2 after generating so much wifom? I think not.