Open 742: C9++ (Game Over)

[Gnelf]

Hello all, this is indeed of a hydra of OkaPoka, PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese, and blooblobby.

It'll be a little unconventional for a three-headed hydra is my(OkaPoka) hope for my head is probably not going to post at all unless absolutely necessary (other than this introductory post). The why being the two other heads, PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese and bloobloby, are newbies so I'm trying to teach them the ropes through a hydra(but I don't want to just play for them). Don't worry, I'll discuss a lot of things with them and answer any questions they have about the game or terminology (like an IC, but more personal), this hydra only exists because I want to talk them through this game and get them acquainted with the site meta. As such, I'll let one of them cast the first RVS vote.

However in the event that they don't want to play anymore, I'll be reading the thread so I'll hop in if necessary.

-OkaPoka

[Gnelf]

VOTE: ReaperOfSouls

Your name's too edgy.

-PraiseTheLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

This seems like a bunch of statistically retarded mud-slinging. Do we have to lynch someone on the first day?

-PraiseTheLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

UNVOTE:
We are sitting in voice call, all three of us are going through the game together, but unvote for now to avoid a prod.
-OkaPoka

[Gnelf]

I think people who hopped on the Shema = Scum bandwagon are scum (ROS and Clemency). It's kinda suspicious how Clemency claims he "forgot" about this game. If I was scum I would just hang back until I could join a bandwagon to get a lynch asap.

VOTE: Clemency

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

Overkill, do you scum ready anyone rn?

[Gnelf]

- blob

[Gnelf]

take a look at my meta thanks

That's a non-defense. Please post an actual one.

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

I am still suspicious of Clemency, besides snarkily posting wikipedia he hasn't make a legitimate defense

[Gnelf]

@Peguin, Gmelf, Egil, Lovebirb:

join a wagon or case your current vote

Can someone explain the RoS = scum argument to me? I'm not seeing it. In my POV the only bad thing he did was jump on a bandwagon, but so did Clemency. And Clemency STILL hasn't given any explanation aside from his weak af "uhhhh look at my meta" argument, then get into some kind of slapfight with lolwagons.

And I don't think it's A50, he's given (IMO) a reasonable defense for why we voted for lolwagon's predecessor, and from what Oka's told me from previous games and from what I've seen from him, he's just sorta a troll, so IMO that fits in with his action so far.

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

[quote="In post 227, Gnelf"] until I could join a bandwagon

Like yes just ignore this part of the argument

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

I'm asking for people's reasons on RoS and lolwagons, because Gamma demanded that people join a wagon and I don't understand their cb for the wagons. Then I gave my reasons for why
I don't think they're scum, and why I still think Clem is scum.

Also by my rhetoric that you quoted, if we were scum, we would have joined one of the wagons already, we wouldn't even need a reason, we could just say we agree with the reasoning the other put up, and if called out, just say we hadn't considered that pov.

-PraiseOurLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

we would have joined one of the wagons already

What if you're scum with ROS?

If you vote Lolwagons then based on your contributions you would be reevaluated a little harshly, otherwise you're stuck bussing your partner

Except we're not. We're voting clem, and so far haven't gotten any reason to change, and that's what I'm asking for: someone to give me their reasons on why I should join a wagon or not.

Also IDK what bussing your partner means

[Gnelf]

Because I think Clem's a better lynch. And I don't see a strong reason for the others

-POLBC

[Gnelf]

gimme the baton, Blooblobby stepping in.
BiggieCheese had forgotten about my previous suspicion on ROS which we had mentioned in that post you linked earlier.
I don't think that ROS is a bad vote, but Clemency just looks like a better vote imo
also unsigned posts prob me, i forget to sign

[Gnelf]

Cuz since way back when we first accused him, Clem never made an actual defense for why they jumped on the lolwagons wagon. Just the "check my meta."

-PraiseOUrLordBiggieCheese

[Gnelf]

VOTE: reaperofsouls

L-1, Reaper claim your role

-blooblobby

[Gnelf]

OkaPoka is stepping in and hardclaiming cop. Sorry guys.

[Gnelf]

Powerlynch lolwagons.


Lynching a claimed cop is never right. I can mech conf people, better to no lynch than Lynch.

[Gnelf]

Oh NVM that was a fake hammer.

[Gnelf]

I want a lynch on someone. I am being fake hammered, I've done it before. Let's not waste time because we can do a whole lot of wagon analytics.

[Gnelf]

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Gnelf
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral
Clemency
0verki11
Persivul
Almost50
LolWagons
PenguinPower
Lovebird

in the case of more than one cop
ill be copping one in this pool

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral

-okapoka

[Gnelf]

VOTE: egix96

[Gnelf]

Why are you voting me Egix?

[Gnelf]

nobody is allowed to talk please

just me and egix clearing things up

also egix id like some reads from you too

[Gnelf]

It isn't.

[Gnelf]

Why can't you just answer my questions?

[Gnelf]

I'm not asking for much.

I'm just asking for why you are voting me.

And a comprehensive readslist on everyone kthxbye

Unfortunately, I cannot answer other questions because they may influence your ability to answer some questions that I would really want the answer to.

[Gnelf]

Reads too
Otherwise there would be no point.

[Gnelf]

I might be confbiasing (but I think that's ok in this case) but I think Egix is kinda scumslipping with his interactions with me.

[Gnelf]

And to be clear

I still want that readslist. I don't see how it is in your best interest to not give a readslist at this point.

[Gnelf]

I'll reveal everything as soon as Egix gives me the readslist.

[Gnelf]

as far as I'm concerned, if you vote egix its because you scumread him too, disregarding potential night actions.

do what you want.

[Gnelf]

I got an innocent on gamma

Take that for what it's worth

[Gnelf]

This is the part where gamma and pp take over the game k thx bye

[Gnelf]

I might be getting pranked here but I investigated gamma because he didn't seem like he was trying to bait night actions

[Gnelf]

Me Gambit.

Also I wasn't roleblocked and I think there is a guaranteed roleblocked which is strange

[Gnelf]

Only explanation is that invest immune in top half and reg scum in bottom half

[Gnelf]

Why vote me when scum killing me can resolve me.

[Gnelf]

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Gnelf
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral
Clemency
0verki11
Persivul
Almost50
LolWagons
PenguinPower
Lovebird

in the case of more than one cop
ill be copping one in this pool

Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral

-okapoka

this is what i mean by halves

[Gnelf]

GF too.

I don't know why I wasn't roleblocked. But it happened so it happened.

[Gnelf]

I think you have that flipped.

Im speculating that GF is in top half (potentially gamma but I investigated him bc i didnt think so) and that SK invest immune would be in top half as well.

And other two mafs would be in bottom.

Basically they would be incentivized not to block me.

@A50 what do you mean when you weren't surprised that i did whatever i did?

[Gnelf]

nvm you dont have that flipped i misunderstood what you meant by second half

carry on

[Gnelf]

I'll simplify

I suspect that Godfather and/or SK are in this pool of
<Gamma Emerald
ReaperOfSouls
Egix96
MariaR
Dunnstral>

[Gnelf]

Because having an inno on Egix would not have changed my opinion of him.

I "gambitted" to confirm my suspicions.

Gamma on the other hand is active but unreadable.

[Gnelf]

He is in that pool because I didn't get roleblocked?

Of course I could have checked bottom half and said yolo but I didn't want to run the risk of having repeat clears so I announced it beforehand.

[Gnelf]

Okay I don't know if people are understanding what I'm saying.

I announce I'm only going to cop one person in the a pool of 5 people because I don't want to repeat clears.

I cop Gamma, gamma is innocent.

I was not roleblocked, even though 100% chance of scum roleblocker.

I gambit Egix because I scumread him and want to get him to scumslip.

I also suspect that the reason why I wasn't roleblocked was because my pool has investigation immune targets, so it would help them instead.

Maybe Gamma is GF/SK, but I didn't think Gamma was baiting night actions, so I checked him because if he is scum I didn't think he would be a GF/SK.

[Gnelf]

I guess it's up to you guys to decide really, I still think Egix is scum.

Do you think Egix had a proper reaction when I voted him?

[Gnelf]

Of course there is third option where scum thought I was gambitting on cop claim.

[Gnelf]

Or the fourth option where they thought the other scum would kill me I guess. But that would guarantee SK.

[Gnelf]

huh? I think A50 is right on?

[Gnelf]

I think we should take a moment to revisit how we lynched Lolwagons over Reaper.

[Gnelf]

Because Reaper scum incriminates Clemency I believe.

I still want to lynch Egix.

[Gnelf]

If I do die though, I'd recommend you check out Egix reaction in response to my vote.

He didn't hesitate in revoting, even though I didn't explicitly claim red on him. Then he delayed his readslist.

[Gnelf]

what? I am referring to post 0?

[Gnelf]

Also lovebird isn't sk lmao.

[Gnelf]

This early on a lovebird flip tells us nothing.

[Gnelf]

What I mean is if flips green then we have nowhere to go.

Unless you are completely sure.

[Gnelf]

Maybe it's not damning, and knowing Poka did this makes it even more likely to come from Town!him, but come on.

- A50

@a50 could u explain this

[Gnelf]

huh?

can you rewrite that sentence

[Gnelf]

it was kokichi and joey who did fakeclaim masons

[Gnelf]

Barring hammer memes I don't think I've ever gambitted.

[Gnelf]

yeah except this game is what i mean

[Gnelf]

I don't know how I feel about a TTTT lynch.

I'd prefer a Reaper lynch for info or an Egix lynch for scum equity.

[Gnelf]

Well here is how I'm thinking about the game.

We had near deadline two competing wagons, Lol and Reaper. Reaper gets pushed up to L1, reaper spews.

Then I get CFD'd, within the span of a few hours, which is glaringly suspicious because this game has been plagued by activity concerns and slow building of wagons. I claim cop, wagon dissolves.

Then we turn back to Reaper and Lol again, but this time rather than returning to a Reaper lynch, Lolwagons gets pushed up.

Which makes me think that all this effort was to prevent a Reaper flip. Reaper flip incriminates Clemency as well because he was the breaking point to make the Reaper wagon inferior to the Lol wagon.

If Reaper is town though, then we have to look back further and consider A50/Egix/Clemency stuff.

[Gnelf]

nope its just me, OkaPoka

its one person as the other two players lost interest/time/motivation

[Gnelf]

PP ended up being scum

[Gnelf]

basically i dont see why we'd go through the effort of CFD'ing my ass unless scum wanted to avoid something else

and we ended up CFD but we didn't revert back to the top wagon beforehand, we went to LOLWagons. Maybe I'm wrong.

anyways i still think egix is scum.

[Gnelf]

VOTE: reaperofsouls

egix should still be on the table

[Gnelf]

gamma why are u not power villaging

[Gnelf]

with the power of a cop inno

u have the power to rise above the emotions of the common man

and secure us the key to victory

pp can do this too

[Gnelf]

clemency why are u voting TTTT

[Gnelf]

i think apathy towards these two lynches makes them all the more likely they are scum

VOTE: egix

[Gnelf]

tttt

vote egix

get claim

[Gnelf]

egix claim

[Gnelf]

VOTE: reaperofsouls

u saw nothing

[Gnelf]

how peculiar

ReaperOfSouls, would you like to claim?

[Gnelf]

Why?

[Gnelf]

FULL ROLECALL TIME BABY

optimal play

[Gnelf]

massclaiming is the best bet here

[Gnelf]

How so

[Gnelf]

if we have an sk

then lynching town can result in a 3 v 1 v 3

that's what we are potentially dealing with tomorrow

i dont want to lynch an un cc'd doc

mass claim can reveal a possible liar, then we have a 50/50 shot at getting it right

[Gnelf]

anyways PP is technically the only confirmed town, tho im p sure on gamma.

PP needs to superhero this game

[Gnelf]

I think a massclaim will clear it all up.

And I think we should all listen to whatever PP has to say.

He has the ultimate say, better to hang together than hang alone.

[Gnelf]

Meh.

I don't think so.

Anyways PP has full dictatorial control over this matter. Agree?

[Gnelf]

The advantage is that if he is town and we are in an sk setup, tomorrow can be a day in which town is in the minority

[Gnelf]

HEAL: Penguin Power Dictatorship

pedit: yeah ofc but if we enter a 3 v 1 v 3, then town chances to win go to a very low chance

[Gnelf]

are u powerwolfing

[Gnelf]

VOTE: A50

i think this is where we go.

anyways p sure this is semi lylo with a 4 v 2 v 1 fwiw

[Gnelf]

UNVOTE:

Am I missing something? How is gamma confirmed gf/sk

[Gnelf]

The fact that egix flipped goon makes me think that scum didn't buy my claim

[Gnelf]

i mean n1 scum didnt buy it

also fwiw i think a50 is scum.

like egix, he instantly assumed i got a red with his vote. maybe im wrong but i think its a50.

[Gnelf]

yeah but egix had the same thought process while dunn wanted to slow it down

anyways i dont know about wanting to me fake clear. he's (gamma) just so weird for me to clear. I purposely cleared gamma because it was kinda the least obvious person to check.

[Gnelf]

though still, it would have been safer for them to roleblock me even if they didnt buy my claim.

[Gnelf]

i say we massclaim

[Gnelf]

ok milord

m'lord

do you think a50 is scum?

[Gnelf]

yes m'lord

do you think town insta sheeps me there?

[Gnelf]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Gnelf]

what would be the advantage in doing so

[Gnelf]

i want to do it in a massclaim fashion where i go last.

i think it would solidify my claim or force a 1v1

pedit: if you really want me to go full claim i will but i thought about this

[Gnelf]

im almost certain its an sk

[Gnelf]

hey pp do u want a claim from me rn

[Gnelf]

im just a full cop

do you want results too

[Gnelf]

it is incompatible and there is def an sk

[Gnelf]

do you want last night's results or nah

[Gnelf]

i got no result

[Gnelf]

clem-a50 i think are both scum

but me pp loyal servant

[Gnelf]

@pp who are the two town in here
Gamma Emerald
Clemency
0verki11
Almost50
TTTT

[Gnelf]

i should've faked a guilty

[Gnelf]

pp lets lynch a50

[Gnelf]

alternatively

if clemency is town here we lost anyways so we can lynch him too

[Gnelf]

@everyone

you have 5 sticks. Put one next to the person you think is most deserving of the stick (1 stick = more scummy)
i put one stick next to a50

Gamma Emerald - 0
Gnelf - 0
Clemency - 0
0verki11 - 0
Almost50 - 1
PenguinPower - 0
TTTT - 0

[Gnelf]

Rules for stick placement:
1) You can only put one stick at a time
2) You cannot take back a stick
3) You must wait until at least 5 other people have placed a stick before you can again
4) We will policy lynch anyone who doesn't play the stick game in a timely fashion (unless pp doesn't want to play)

[Gnelf]

if clemency is town here we dont win

lets lynch clemency

[Gnelf]

because he is big troll and avoiding this game while posting elsewhere

if hes town here he needs to obv town for everyone else or offer a way to play

[Gnelf]

I do the bidding of the Penguin.

[Gnelf]

penguin do u want to bounce ideas off of me

[Gnelf]

if you are struggling, think about it this way, which people as town would lose us the game anyways so there's no harm in just lynching them?

@pp i want to lynch clemency at this point because he's not really posting or doing anything. at least the other dudes are doing stuff

if clem flips town i think that makes this game lost but

town would probably be

pp+gnelf
and TTTT or gamma

[Gnelf]

im kinda spitballing here tho fwiw

[Gnelf]

i guess clem is just a dedicated troll

meh

maybe he's town. idek anymore

[Gnelf]

clemency do u like scum or town more

[Gnelf]

im confirmed town? explain

[Gnelf]

i want to know from a50 how he knows im conf town

[Gnelf]

also sk and maf can't joint win

[Gnelf]

a50 please don't be throwing here.