Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!

[AlmostNancy]

Jim Raynor

Oh NM, found it.

[the worst]

i wasn't informed i was witched either night so..i assume that's not a thing?

[Keyser Söze]

Merry Xmas everyone!

i'm an IC hard claiming. so explain now.

Please can you flavour/roleclaim now.

The Worst shouldn’t soft/roleclaim before this happens

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.

Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.

[AlmostNancy]

Non-Normal Roles that CAN be in this game include:
Janitor,

Survivor

, Lyncher,

Bus Driver

, Lightning Rod,

Nexus

,

Redirector

, Framer,

Vanillaizer,

Arsonist, Godfather

Witch=Survivor and the fact that

Lightening Rod

bus driver/Nexus/Redirector are all mentioned, strongly insicate that 1 out of the 4, are almost certainly in the setup.

So 1 survivor and 1 SK, 1 groupscum sans bullets, so how does Performer’s role fit into that? We’ve already discussed why Keyser’s role makes no sense.

Scum RB=Vanillaizer, perhaps? but witch would cancel that out, though.

[AlmostNancy]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.

Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.

Why?

You should claim now, because town gs makes 0 sense in this setup.

[Nauci]

TW, would you agree that the Witch wouldn't explain the Creature NK, unless the witch specifically wanted to kill Creature?

I guess the witch would be actively trying to help a scum faction but wouldn't know who they are

I'm not sure if mass claiming is the worst idea at this point; scummiest players first though

Oh, side note:

I was not explicitly told I was roleblocked. I was explicitly told that witching does not prevent roleblocks

[the worst]

TW, would you agree that the Witch wouldn't explain the Creature NK, unless the witch specifically wanted to kill Creature?

I guess the witch would be actively trying to help a scum faction but wouldn't know who they are

I'm not sure if mass claiming is the worst idea at this point; scummiest players first though

Oh, side note:

I was not explicitly told I was roleblocked. I was explicitly told that witching does not prevent roleblocks

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

+1 on massclaim but not unless kokichi goes first

[AlmostNancy]

Skitter30 has died during the night!

They were Torn Apart by Zerg Forces

Accidentally forgot to include the bolded in the PM I sent to everyone, sorry about that.

No arsonist, obviously.

[Nauci]

Witch=Survivor

Witch =/= survivor

The witch only wins if it survives

and town lost

. Plus it has a redirect ability that the redirected player is informed was used. It is an explicitly anti-town role without direct killing power. It said it'd also appear as town to cops but I'm not sure if that applies in Krazy's version. It's a very complex role.

[the worst]

could the zerg have a factional arsonist NK? this doesn't like, feel right but it's A Thing

[AlmostNancy]

TW, would you agree that the Witch wouldn't explain the Creature NK, unless the witch specifically wanted to kill Creature?

I guess the witch would be actively trying to help a scum faction but wouldn't know who they are

I'm not sure if mass claiming is the worst idea at this point; scummiest players first though

Oh, side note:

I was not explicitly told I was roleblocked. I was explicitly told that witching does not prevent roleblocks

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

+1 on massclaim but not unless kokichi goes first

You think that Creature involuntarily visited Irrelephant11?

[Nauci]

VOTE: Keyser Söze

...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.

Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.

No

[the worst]

oh yeah

VOTE: Keyser Söze

...........which is why zerg would fakeclaim gunsmith
VOTE: Keyser

@Kokichi, you are still fullclaiming in your next post.

Can you unvote guys, we resolve Koki first.

No

this

[Nauci]

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

Do you think witching would bypass the even-night restriction?

I've asked Krazy and am waiting for a response. I'm not optimistic that he'd actually tell me, of course.

[the worst]

You think that Creature involuntarily visited Irrelephant11?

It seems there's a pretty good chance he was directed to Irrelephant11 by the witch, yeah.

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

Do you think witching would bypass the even-night restriction?

I've asked Krazy and am waiting for a response. I'm not optimistic that he'd actually tell me, of course.

[kawaii shrug emoji]

[AlmostNancy]

Witch=Survivor

Witch =/= survivor

The witch only wins if it survives

and town lost

. Plus

it has a redirect ability that the redirected player is informed was used

. It is an explicitly anti-town role without direct killing power. It said it'd also appear as town to cops but I'm not sure if that applies in Krazy's version. It's a very complex role.

So, either one or both of your roleblocks could have been redirected by the witch to you?

[AlmostNancy]

could the zerg have a factional arsonist NK? this doesn't like, feel right but it's A Thing

No evidence of arsonist so far.

[the worst]

eh yeah i think i'm overcomplicating it in my head

[AlmostNancy]

You think that Creature involuntarily visited Irrelephant11?

It seems there's a pretty good chance he was directed to Irrelephant11 by the witch, yeah.

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

Do you think witching would bypass the even-night restriction?

I've asked Krazy and am waiting for a response. I'm not optimistic that he'd actually tell me, of course.

[kawaii shrug emoji]

So then witch/survivor but no SK, looks like?

[the worst]

depending on Nauci's answer from Krazy. we might just be in 3v1v6 which is a massive weight off my shoulders

[Nauci]

My proposed mass-claim order,

if

we actually mass-claim.

Keyser + Performer technically, since they already claimed?

Kokichi
Mitillos

Any counter claims

Maybe xtoxm
Then whomever else is left in whatever order

[AlmostNancy]

TW, would you agree that the Witch wouldn't explain the Creature NK, unless the witch specifically wanted to kill Creature?

I guess the witch would be actively trying to help a scum faction but wouldn't know who they are

I'm not sure if mass claiming is the worst idea at this point; scummiest players first though

Oh, side note:

I was not explicitly told I was roleblocked. I was explicitly told that witching does not prevent roleblocks

i agree with that; it feels like they probably T/S-PR read creature and sent him on a kamikaze night action.
the Rel kill was probably sheer good luck?

+1 on massclaim but not unless kokichi goes first

You think that Creature involuntarily visited Irrelephant11?

Witch=Survivor

Witch =/= survivor

The witch only wins if it survives

and town lost

. Plus

it has a redirect ability that the redirected player is informed was used

. It is an explicitly anti-town role without direct killing power. It said it'd also appear as town to cops but I'm not sure if that applies in Krazy's version. It's a very complex role.

So, either one or both of your roleblocks could have been redirected by the witch to you?

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

[the worst]

i'm fine with that

kokichi should claim whenever unless there's like..things keyser or performer have omitted

[AlmostNancy]

My proposed mass-claim order,

if

we actually mass-claim.

Keyser + Performer technically, since they already claimed?

Kokichi
Mitillos

Any counter claims

Maybe xtoxm
Then whomever else is left in whatever order

I also suggest a mass flavour claim as well.