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[the worst]

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

[Nauci]

Witch=Survivor

Witch =/= survivor

The witch only wins if it survives

and town lost

. Plus

it has a redirect ability that the redirected player is informed was used

. It is an explicitly anti-town role without direct killing power. It said it'd also appear as town to cops but I'm not sure if that applies in Krazy's version. It's a very complex role.

So, either one or both of your roleblocks could have been redirected by the witch to you?

No

The witch could not have directed a roleblock onto me; the witch redirected my night action onto <target unknown>

My night action failed due to a separate cause

I really didn't fucking want to claim anything :/ :/ :/

Almost as much as I wanted to finally play a game as vanilla town

Skitter I'm so jealous

[AlmostNancy]

i'm fine with that

kokichi should claim whenever unless there's like..things keyser or performer have omitted

Neither of their claims make any sense in this setup, because of no guns groupscum/Zergs and especially because of witch.

Maybe Performer is the witch?

[the worst]

i don't have any opinion one way or the other wrt perf being the witch

[AlmostNancy]

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

[Nauci]

IMO,

if there is a town vigilante still in this game and you were witched, you need to claim.

[the worst]

i'm not sure why performer's claim doesn't make sense with the witch either?

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

?

[AlmostNancy]

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

I obviously misunderstood.

[the worst]

no rolestopper like, applies the ascetic modifier to their target basically
(it's a little different but that's an easier way to explain it)

definitely roleblocker

[Keyser Söze]

Hello, everyone.

VOTE: Kokichi

First he's an IC, then he's a D2 IC, then he's an N2 IC, then he's an N2 IC who might not show up immediately on N2, then he's still not confirmed on D3. This shit ends here.

This. No more shit.

I view Kokis play as selfish and self-preserving (something I wouldn’t associate with TOWN)

[AlmostNancy]

Witch=Survivor

Witch =/= survivor

The witch only wins if it survives

and town lost

. Plus

it has a redirect ability that the redirected player is informed was used

. It is an explicitly anti-town role without direct killing power. It said it'd also appear as town to cops but I'm not sure if that applies in Krazy's version. It's a very complex role.

So, either one or both of your roleblocks could have been redirected by the witch to you?

No

The witch could not have directed a roleblock onto me; the witch redirected my night action onto <target unknown>

My night action failed due to a separate cause

I really didn't fucking want to claim anything :/ :/ :/

Almost as much as I wanted to finally play a game as vanilla town

Skitter I'm so jealous

So the witch redirected your NA but it was unsuccessful, because it failed, for whatever reason.

I’m just trying to make some sense of what the hell is going on here.

[the worst]

I’m just trying to make some sense of what the hell is going on here.

QFT but atm we're solving a 100 piece jigsaw and we only have the corner pieces
let's leave this convo until we have more claims. i think some serious fuckery is happening

[AlmostNancy]

i'm not sure why performer's claim doesn't make sense with the witch either?

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

?

I thought a rolestop would block the witch’s actions towards her?

[the worst]

i'm not sure why performer's claim doesn't make sense with the witch either?

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

?

I thought a rolestop would block the witch’s actions towards her?

it would but then she shouldn't be informed she was witched n2, because she wouldn't have been

[AlmostNancy]

no rolestopper like, applies the ascetic modifier to their target basically
(it's a little different but that's an easier way to explain it)

definitely roleblocker

Okay. This game is so confusing.

[AlmostNancy]

i'm not sure why performer's claim doesn't make sense with the witch either?

So none of your roleblocks could have been redirected, because you would have been informed, in that case?

can you explain what you mean by this?
i think nauci is saying her night actions ~did nothing~ n1 + n2 because she was roleblocked
but she was also targeted by the witch n2
but the witch ability failed because she was roleblocked, so she couldn't go wherever the witch sent her

Oh but wouldn’t that be a rolestop then, not a roleblock?

?

I thought a rolestop would block the witch’s actions towards her?

it would but then she shouldn't be informed she was witched n2, because she wouldn't have been

So she was witched but roleblocked but she wasn’t informed that either or her roleblocks happened, as a result of the witch’s redirect.

I wonder if Krazy is good at calculus.

[AlmostNancy]

Hello, everyone.

VOTE: Kokichi

First he's an IC, then he's a D2 IC, then he's an N2 IC, then he's an N2 IC who might not show up immediately on N2, then he's still not confirmed on D3. This shit ends here.

This. No more shit.

I view Kokis play as selfish and self-preserving (something I wouldn’t associate with TOWN)

You claimed a role that makes 0 sense in this setup. You need to claim your true role, if you don’t want to get lynched.

[the worst]

so nauci has a power role of some kind

on night one, she targeted someone but it didn't work. => she was roleblocked. she was not witched.
on night two, she targeted someone but it didn't work. she was also informed she was witched. => she was roleblocked and witched.

the witch targeting someone does two things:-
1. changes the witch's target's target, i.e. Nauci.
2. informs the witch's target that they were controlled by the witch.

because someone roleblocked Nauci (stopped her from moving that night) on night two, nauci couldn't have a target at all so (1) above didn't happen. only (2) did, because the WITCH'S ability went through. it's just that NAUCI'S didn't.

[the worst]

we should probably EOD Nauci's claim until after Kokichi, at least

[AlmostNancy]

so nauci has a power role of some kind

on night one, she targeted someone but it didn't work. => she was roleblocked. she was not witched.
on night two, she targeted someone but it didn't work. she was also informed she was witched. => she was roleblocked and witched.

the witch targeting someone does two things:-
1. changes the witch's target's target, i.e. Nauci.
2. informs the witch's target that they were controlled by the witch.

because someone roleblocked Nauci (stopped her from moving that night) on night two, nauci couldn't have a target at all so (1) above didn't happen. only (2) did, because the WITCH'S ability went through. it's just that NAUCI'S didn't.

So, did the roleblock actually protect her from the anti-town witch? Because that would then be a good thing? Like, could the roleblock, could have possibly protected Nauci and prevented a 2nd kill or am I way offbase again?

[the worst]

yes, it did. i'd be kinda surprised if it was a town motivated rb tho

[AlmostNancy]

we should probably EOD Nauci's claim until after Kokichi, at least

I don’t like how Keyser is just completely ignoring our concerns with his bogus role and trying to move the focus off of him onto Kokichi. If he was town here, he would be trying to explain his REAL role, not pull a bait and switch.

[the worst]

we should probably EOD Nauci's claim until after Kokichi, at least

I don’t like how Keyser is just completely ignoring our concerns with his bogus role and trying to move the focus off of him onto Kokichi. If he was town here, he would be trying to explain his REAL role, not pull a bait and switch.

i don't disagree with this at all

[AlmostNancy]

yes, it did. i'd be kinda surprised if it was a town motivated rb tho

But if the roleblock saved Nauci’s life, then it still helped town. Well, there isn’t any fully informed faction with a survivor/witch in the mix, so neither town nor scum would have been aware of its existence.

[the worst]

it didn't save nauci's life probably
it just saved her from being controlled by the witch