[Game Over] Open 743 - The Crown of Misery

[Thor665]

rb (L-3)

: Thor665, Something_Smart, Lamees

Lamees (L-5)

: DarkLightA

DarkLightA (L-5)

: Egix96

Malakitty (L-5)

: Auro

Auro (L-5)

: rb

Thor665 (L-5)

: Creature

Nako, Leodanny, Malakitty

I can agree you didn't read the slot as town and don't recall people townreading the slot.

[Auro]

I'll agree, again, that her slot is bleh - but just going 'yo, this slot is bleh' isn't actually a way to interact with the slot. Is all you want people to agree that the slot is bleh?
You aren't scumhunting the slot - if you think what you're doing is scumhunting then allow me to redefine my point for clarity; "you're not engaging with the slot to try to make it produce information or provide reads in a way to allow you and others to potentially garner enough information on it to draw a more definable assessment of its thought process in the game on a town/scum alignment scale but are instead weakly, and very skantwise, are generically attacking it while complaining now about someone else generically deciding it's town while not seeing how both reads are equally empty and basically identical besides where they fall on the alignment scale"

That's all very well, except I

can't

engage with a slot if there's nothing to engage on.
The

only

option I have in this scenario, is call them out for active lurking, and then wait for them to produce content.

Hate to break it to ya, but directing negative attention on a

lurkslot

IS a form of scumhunting.

[Auro]

I can agree you didn't read the slot as town and don't recall people townreading the slot.

This was the entirety of YvottaCat's ISO:

Spoiler:

Oh no I'm late

Reveal the undead by asking more things! Auro, who do you think is most likely to be scum?

Based on other people, VOTE: lamees, I won't know if it was l-2 or something like that

I'm out hope replacement is good

I'm pretty definite in my recall that no one townread YC, do correct me if I'm wrong.

My question is, what does Creature replacing into YC's slot have to do with Creature being a reasonable townread?

[Auro]

I missed something here -- Bristep did replace Yvotta Cat. Retract the above^, I do remember having that slot as "meh" too, have to re-read the reads on him.

[Auro]

So I've looked back and RB called him "obvtown" and Dunn said it does look like town, and see nothing else -- I had that slot at a hard null and so did the others IIRC.
Cool, back to that question -- How does this make Creature a reasonable TR?

[Creature]

>Says town should look for scum in the Mala+Dunn wagons (1328);

Sure, that's some Mr. Obvious moment because obviously scum would be on one of these wagons

>Throws TRs on Mala, Creature, Egix, ALL on the Dunn wagon;

I don't think he realised that though

>Votes for someone OFF the Mala and Dunn wagons;

He voted quite a lot tbh so obviously he would hit someone off

>I point out the inconsistency;
>"Good point" and flings his vote at me

Dunno, gotta check

[Creature]

It hasn't changed that much, here is my most recent scumgame. I replaced in late but it's still pretty representative of how I play.

Okay

[Auro]

@Creature: Of course he'd hit someone off with the way he was throwing his votes around; but hitting someone off RIGHT AFTER acknowledging scum would be in those wagons while ALSO throwing TRs on 3 from the Dunn wagon?

Lol, sure.

[Creature]

Yeah, it's an inconsistency. Sadly I can't tell if it's a town or a scum inconsistency because that kind of inconsistency has been happening a lot lately.

[Thor665]

That's all very well, except I

can't

engage with a slot if there's nothing to engage on.
The

only

option I have in this scenario, is call them out for active lurking, and then wait for them to produce content.

You're right, that's what everyone does in RVS to generate content and it's the only way.

I'm pretty definite in my recall that no one townread YC, do correct me if I'm wrong.

You're clearly wrong because I'm claiming a townread. I'll agree I might not have said it, but that's immaterial to your questioning of my claim today. Also you're forgetting other players that may magically be the same slot, so...

My question is, what does Creature replacing into YC's slot have to do with Creature being a reasonable townread?

Well, blatantly, if someone townread the previous slot holder it has *everything* to do with it.
To explain my thoughts - in a Newbie game (now finished but ongoing at the time, so relax your panties) Yyotta admitted in the PT that they were under a lot of stress, and had their partner point out that lack of posting was insulting to other players.
I hate to have to then dance around the rather silly and I swear constantly changing rules of this site but Yyotta didn't replace out of all their games.
Also, if you look at the Newbie game in question and assess their scum play while feeling overwhelmed you can get the vibe that;

1. They were more relaxed here.
2. They cared about the group and recognized they weren't going to be the best here.

Now, to a certain extent I would like to see some flips in theoretical other places, but I suspect an early replace out here to be more likely from town than scum. I can see an argument made in the reverse to suggest that it was feelings of failure as scum and fleeing from doing so again, and I don't dislike that argument, but suggest the outward showing from the initial posts here do not match up well with that scum game.

So I tend to favor town, and barring something more exciting than "Creature's reads are narf!" I'm not going to scumread that slot, and rather question anyone who does.
Also, that slot, across the various slot holders, has a perfectly decent amount of posting to assess, unlike your more reasonable complaint about the Nova slot.

[Thor665]

Yeah, it's an inconsistency. Sadly I can't tell if it's a town or a scum inconsistency because that kind of inconsistency has been happening a lot lately.

You're kind of hard bending over to call Auro's issue immaterial though. That's oddly aggressive defense of objectively poor analysis.

[Creature]

I don't read players off consistency, there are plenty of scum that can be more consistent than town just by having an agenda. I don't think rb expects to get anything by throwing votes around unless he thinks someone will townread him off AtE.

[Creature]

Even if rb is scum, he's not the one furthering scum's win condition now more than just basic survivalism.

[Creature]

I'm definitely not townreading Nako off her predecessor. I've seen her doing three soulreads and I was like "nah, scum wouldn't pull three townreads and use soulread as reason".

I hate her lurking afterwards, but plenty of players are lurking nowadays so I gotta sort through them.

[Auro]

Now, to a certain extent I would like to see some flips in theoretical other places, but I suspect an early replace out here to be more likely from town than scum. I can see an argument made in the reverse to suggest that it was feelings of failure as scum and fleeing from doing so again, and I don't dislike that argument, but suggest the outward showing from the initial posts here do not match up well with that scum game.

Yeah, I was thinking the same WRT replacing out coming from scum too, but noted -- I'll go read that up.

[Auro]

I'm definitely not townreading Nako off her predecessor. I've seen her doing three soulreads and I was like "nah, scum wouldn't pull three townreads and use soulread as reason".

"Pocketing"
You've played with Nako before? Are you saying it's out of her scumrange?
I can totally imagine scum making initial non-committal "soulreads" on replacing in.

[Thor665]

Even if rb is scum, he's not the one furthering scum's win condition now more than just basic survivalism.

Sure? But he's only on survivalism because we're advancing a wagon on him. No one with a high chance of being lynched is advancing their team's wincon regardless of alingment.

He did potentially advance scum wincon yesterday though when he was free to act.

Do I not understand the point you're making?

[Auro]

Yeah^, the "not furthering win-con" argument can be used to justify any scum flailing.

[rb]

VOTE: Thor

wow so many bad posts

[rb]

I'm mad when mod is like:

someone: I'll V/LA over two weeks
mod: Fine I won't bother you to play the game two weeks then

wow this cracked me up and then i realised it was actually this game

[Thor665]

wow so many bad posts

Wow, you're probably right. Can you describe them in your opinion?

[rb]

too much effort

[rb]

can someone just do town stuff so we can PoE lynch

tia

[Lamees]

can someone just do town stuff so we can PoE lynch

tia

Dw, mala will post "sorry guys busy" soon and you can town read the shit of out that

[rb]

we should lynch in

thor/auro/SS/leodanny

who am agree?