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[the worst]

I think Yyotta is very hard to read (nearly impossible from my point of view unless she posts a fair bit), but if she's v/la for a couple of days we don't really have a choice but to pursue a slot with more content in my opinion.

[JunkoChan]

we can probably safely say brass is town for now (not that we really have an option tho) unless something radical happens before the deadline

@tw sorry for being stubborn or "vain" but I really think GW is a better lynch than nineja, your post made me backtrack a bit about him but I firmly believe this is mafia

[the worst]

talk me thru it a little? his posting is hard to fake as scum but I also think it has little glimmers of towniness through it as well -- could you show me where you're seeing scum motivation?

[JunkoChan]

My best argument for the case is on 131, you see, opposite to nineja's logic against me, the post I quoted from him has an emotional tone, a frustrating tone in fact, and then he twisted my words to post what should never be posted in any mafia game: "this person will townread you if you afk"

I can elaborate more on this if you need to but I think I would just be repeating myself

[GrandWazoo]

My best argument for the case is on 131, you see, opposite to nineja's logic against me, the post I quoted from him has an emotional tone, a frustrating tone in fact, and then he twisted my words to post what should never be posted in any mafia game: "this person will townread you if you afk"

I can elaborate more on this if you need to but I think I would just be repeating myself

For context, here is what I was responding to Junko: "Grandwazoo leaning scum I can't see Grandwazoo busing his teammate so I can't see him on the same team as moony sadly, his eagerness to finish someone who barely posted screams scum to me"

My response may have been overly flippant, but the above statement translates to: the guy who's barely posted can't be scum, therefore GrandWazoo must be. Aside from using "leaning scum" and "screams scum" in the same sentence, you're assuming moony is town because he's barely posted. This doesn't make any sense to me.

I get that you don't like me, or my playstyle, but your reaction is 100% emotion and 0% logic.

[YyottaCat]

talk me thru it a little? his posting is hard to fake as scum but I also think it has little glimmers of towniness through it as well -- could you show me where you're seeing scum motivation?

Why did I think of a fountain when reading this?

[the worst]

talk me thru it a little? his posting is hard to fake as scum but I also think it has little glimmers of towniness through it as well -- could you show me where you're seeing scum motivation?

Why did I think of a fountain when reading this?

is it the duck connection?
you caught up Yyotta?

[northsidegal]

VC 1.07

votes

[2] GrandWazoo

:

computerfan0 87, JunkoChan 131

[1] GuiltyLion

:

brassherald 180

[1] YyottaCat

:

GuiltyLion 18, GrandWazoo 210

[1] computerfan0

:

YellowSnow 160

[1] Nineja

:

the worst 195

[3] Not Voting

:

YyottaCat 82, Nineja 124

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-07 04:02:59)

Mod Notes

:

[brassherald]

My best argument for the case is on 131, you see, opposite to nineja's logic against me, the post I quoted from him has an emotional tone, a frustrating tone in fact, and then he twisted my words to post what should never be posted in any mafia game: "this person will townread you if you afk"

I can elaborate more on this if you need to but I think I would just be repeating myself

I feel like this may have just been sarcastic frustration on his part. Sarcasm does not come across on the internet though.

[brassherald]

Sorry about being extremely late

need a few days to establish some kind of reads

For now I would go with what others are thinking

Don't really have a few days... I mean, I guess we kind of do, but I don't want to wait a few days for someone to form reads when we are 3 days from night 1.

Let's do a quick exercise. You need to choose one person to lynch right now you are the only vote that counts. Who is it?

[GrandWazoo]

Yeah, I'm not feeling any better about this slot. It's not like this game is Infinite Jest ffs...

VOTE: Yotta

[the worst]

@GrandWazoo, say the slot flips green. What then?
I wouldn't suggest we lynch exclusively for information but... is your biggest scumread on a slot that's done nothing? do you not want to vote or even lynch slots that have associations and have done scummier stuff?

[GrandWazoo]

I stated my reasons for lynching moony, several times. I was hoping Yotta would be an improvement. A very low bar that she still can't clear.

Stop with the socratic method crap TW. What scummier stuff have you seen? What associations have you found? Why is GL the scummiest?

If Yotta flips green then we'll still have gotten more information that we've gotten from that slot all game. Not optimal but better than nothing.

[the worst]

I kinda agree. This game has been too slow.

So I didn't like Nineja's early case against Junko. First impression was positive but the more I thought about it the more I don't think it makes sense that Junko was trying to shift attention from Moony. she called something out which seemed like a conversation topic and it like, abundantly hasn't happened; I think this is wolfy positioning and heavily presumptuous.

His townread of Moony is outright frightening; I got the impression he was calling junko/moony SvS in his earlier junko case. Moony has done nothing AI. the townread only checks out on the basis that he thinks that the entire wagon has high scum equity (tw/gw scum with no reasoning; GL is "null". but he doesn't seem interested in actually taking any of the 3 of us on...)

You didn't find this worth commenting on?

I've abandoned the Socratic method. I've been pretty candid about what's going on in my mind, I'm just surprised I'm not really being engaged with and people are just carrying on with what they're doing.

Moony's contributions were meh. He's replaced out and Yyotta is here. She actually plays the game but is busy for the next couple of days (with deadline looming).

I've got serious concerns with lynching a slot which has contributed nearly nothing, when I believe Nineja has exhibited scum indicative traits. I also like brass' push on GuiltyLion; I'm not townreading him at all yet and there's scum equity there.

[the worst]

I actually don't really have a problem with Moony's posting. He's got a relaxed tonality, nothing feels forced and he's not going out of his way to slide by or appease anyone. His question about why you're voting him is.... fine I guess.

Yyotta just hit the slot but isn't able to post much yet. Given she just quoted me on the current page she's either caught up, or will at least be around to work through this with us (her alignment should also clear up once she IS here).

I guess to me it feels closer to a policy lynch than a lynch intending to hit scum. I understand that your conviction reaches deeper but I just don't like the lynch for todsy.

[GrandWazoo]

Sounds like a compelling case on Nineja. I could easily get behind that wagon. You were on it for about 2 seconds then voted GL because Brass was pissed he was still riding his RVS vote... wait you're voting Nineja again!

This isn't reflected in the latest VC.

I'm not a fan of lynching inactive players or policy lynches in general, but I'm even less a fan of active lurkers, and even less a fan of those like Nineja who assume lurkers can't be scum (and players who go after them must be). If I see some content from Yotta then I'll reconsider.

I'm not surprised you're not being engaged with. Folks eventually tire of answering rhetorical questions and tune them out. This is the "diminishing returns" I was talking about.

[GrandWazoo]

Fuck it can't afford to wait for Yotta.

VOTE: Nineja

@Yellow, don't expect anything from compfan.

[JunkoChan]

VC 1.07

votes

[2] GrandWazoo

:

computerfan0 87, JunkoChan 131

[2] GuiltyLion

:

brassherald 180, the worst 181

[1] YyottaCat

:

GuiltyLion 18

[1] computerfan0

:

YellowSnow 160

[3] Not Voting

:

YyottaCat 82, Nineja 124, GrandWazoo 192

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-07 04:02:59)

Mod Notes

:

I'm pretty sure this vote count is wrong

[JunkoChan]

YyottaCat : GuiltyLion
GrandWazoo : computerfan0 , JunkoChan
Nineja: the worst Grandwazoo
computerfan0 : YellowSnow
GuiltyLion: brassherald
Not Voting : YyottaCat, Nineja

more accurate, I want to keep track on this current vote list because is interesting to me that the votes are so scattered, might help to pint point teams later on

[brassherald]

Junko, can I get an idea of where your mind is on Grandwazoo and GuiltyLion?

[JunkoChan]

Junko, can I get an idea of where your mind is on Grandwazoo and GuiltyLion?

tbh I can see a mafia team between GW-the worst GW-GL

GuiltyLion hasn't said enough for me to get a townfeeling from him

If GW flips town (which i doubt) then there are some things to re-evaluate

[brassherald]

So, let's say you are right about GW, who's his partner?

[JunkoChan]

So, let's say you are right about GW, who's his partner?

either GL or the worst imo what do you think?

[brassherald]

So, let's say you are right about GW, who's his partner?

either GL or the worst imo what do you think?

Oh, I misread your prior post. But, I'd generally agree those are pretty decent guesses for a scum team.

I had thought you said you couldn't see those.

I would get behind a GW lynch at this point, really not liking the push on an inactive slot.

Mind you, I don't like the inactive slot being here, but C'est la vie.

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[brassherald]

L-2 FWIW.