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I can almost guarantee you that at some point you’re going to hold back from posting about something because your heads can’t agree and when someone asks the response is going to be a “we can’t agree” which is unreadable or your going to say what each head is thinking which nullifies the point of this unified voice thing you’re doing.In post 90, Shoshin the worst wrote:We're doing this because we think two players posting independently under the same slot harms the ability to scumhunt. We're avoiding any sort of schizophrenic posturing, hydra dissonance, disorganized/contradictory noise, which means you can treat us as if we aren't a hydra. This will make things easier for those who dislike or struggle with sorting hydras.
Stretch your minds a bit, break out the "hydra theory" box you're in, and maybe you'll realize that we're doing this for the town's benefit? We'd never limit ourselves like this as scum (before the game we discussed different ways we could abuse hydra mechanic if we were scum and this wasn't it).
-Shoshin & the worst (super redundant but I guess we'll keep signing for our slower-witted readers)
Plus for people who do meta-based reads it’s helpful to know which heads are making which posts.- Alchemist21
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Are there any games you’ve seen him do it as scum or is it just that you haven’t seen him do it as Town?In post 94, Varsoon wrote:For those who are curious:
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Oh I’m an idiot. That first game was linked to the other starcraft game. Let me look closer at it.In post 100, Alchemist21 wrote:
Are there any games you’ve seen him do it as scum or is it just that you haven’t seen him do it as Town?In post 94, Varsoon wrote:For those who are curious:
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It wouldn’t be a hammer if you did vote there. Your vote + my vote = L-1. So Shoshin and the worst are either L-2 or L-3 right now depending on whether your old vote counted.In post 114, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I obviously would need to confer with Ari before hammering. I’m not sure they’re scum but their atttitude is definitely pissing me off. And they should knock it off, if they’re actually town here.In post 108, Varsoon wrote:That's L-1 provided that Mephistophanes 39 is actually/still voting there.
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A lot of people just haven’t posted since this really started so I wouldn’t take a lack of resistance as telling right now.In post 132, Taly wrote:I'm not feeling good about this wagon/lynch for the reasons people are pushing it.
Like half the votes don't seem serious, or serious for a really dumb reason.(@ProFlavor)
Unless they're being bussed as scum, I don't understand the lack of resistance other than their town with a town-led wagon.
And I don't see the benefit ofSTW-scum still keeping up the"we're one person"shtick if they do acquire this much opposition.
Yeah, I see that it can be unhelpful to town, but I'm not seeing how it's definitively scum here.- Alchemist21
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Yes it wasn’t factual. They were just bs’ing a reason to not sign posts after people gave meta reasons as to why they should sign.In post 148, Taly wrote:Then walk me through how 105 warranted your vote because it's plainly obvious that it wasn't factual.- Alchemist21
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Did... did he just purposely sign the post wrong?In post 150, Shoshin the worst wrote:
That's a bad use of meta. There's nothing inherently scummy about that phrase. It just means "break out the box you're in," or "challenge your way of thinking," which are phrases I've definitely used before as town (e.g. in Laybrinth when discussing your reads).In post 137, Mephistophanes 39 wrote: Varsoon posted 2 links, one to Starcraft 1, where you encouraged everyone multiple times to “stretch their mind” and the second, to TAZ, where you didn’t do that even once.
For some background, I say "stretch your mind" quite often in my yoga teaching to shift how people relate to their mind/body during a practice. It's just a part of how I speak in real life contexts. I'd never thought to use it in the context of mafia until Starcraft 1 because I don't usually use the phrase in an intellectual context.
I was very happy with how it applied in Starcraft 1 and I couldn't even contain my excitement when Varsoon picked the phrase up. Yes, it's such a great phrase that even Varsoon (who doesn't seem to like me much) used the phrase himself in Starcraft 1, as TOWN. Point being, it has nothing to do with alignment. It's just a phrase with a useful meaning in the context of a mafia game. I intend to use it a lot more.
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I think mephisto giving outs makes them Town. Scum-to-Town wouldn’t give an out at all, and we know scum have daytalk so if they were scum together I imagine that giving them an idea on how to excuse their play would have happened in the scum PT. Town gives outs like that when they want to consider the possibilities without jumping the gun. It’s a fluffy slot but I think that’s mostly Ari being Ari.- Alchemist21
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I haven’t modded in ages and can’t say Krazy is like me, but I personally would have counted your vote as a mod since the post it came with made it apparent who it was directed at. I really want my vote there but not if it’s going to run the risk of a lolhammer ending the day prematurely.In post 206, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
I mean, they've now clarified that they decided to do this pregame making it NAI and also not worth any more discussion about.In post 115, Varsoon wrote:I'm unsure why you keep providing them the 'out' of it being an RVS gag.
Shoshin isn't really a joking player.
Even TW is fairly serious.
I just thought it might be a thing.
Did we get an answer to this? S&W, please do that.In post 122, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
Why is Ari and I disagreeing on something bad for town?In post 119, Shoshin the worst wrote:
This is an example of the behavior we're avoiding. Yes, we're a fictive person, but that doesn't mean we're incapable of playing together as one.In post 111, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Ari no, I disagree, Varsoon is right. Does it necessarily make them scum? No but this isn’t your old site and they know that here and they are digging in thier heels despite strong opposition. That isn’t sitting right with me.
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In post 125, Alchemist21 wrote:I hate to be anal about this but could you put down either a vote or unvote just in case the mod does count it?POSTURING!!!
Like, this is so fucking posturing.
Like, out vote did not count. I can guarantee that! You know that! So why does it matter if we unvote or not, especially considering it will be shown in the next VC that we are not, and even if we are, it's only L-1.
In post 126, Varsoon wrote:Yeah, it's not really good form to vote with intent but not with actual names.
[redacted snarky comment because I like Varsoon]
Well, no way to do that now. Why throw out an opportunity like this? Take the chance!In post 129, Varsoon wrote:Trust, I was tempted to take advantage of it, make ShoshinTW think they were lynched, see the response, but I don't know if
1. it would've fooled them
2. they would've given any worthwhile info and not just WIFOM
Don't like that you didn't tbh.
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I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
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Town.In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
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PEdit: I’m assuming that’s Shoshin asking me that since I’ve played with tw a lot recently. Idk about U2, I’ll figure it out and post it in a full readlist later most likely.
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Scum to Town doesn’t because they want the pressure to stay on the Town slot.In post 253, Mewtaph wrote:Not really following this. Why does scum-to-town not give an out at all? Why does the described scum-to-scum scenario have to involve Mephistophanes 39 giving an out to Shoshin the worst at all?
And you’re with me on tbe scum to scum scenario, it doesn’t happen, at least not in the game thread.- Alchemist21
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“Us” meant me and whoever else was talking to you at the time.
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In post 146, Alchemist21 wrote:@Mod; Is there going to be a record of previous Days’ player list orders or do players have to manually keep track of previous orders?- Alchemist21
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This is their only serious post and there’s no comment about other stuff that’s happened.In post 251, ProFlavor wrote:I don't like u r a person 2 pushing pint - the push has a lot of stuff that pint hasn't done (e.g. promise of catch up) and less stuff along the lines of "pint is scummy because he did X"
why is activity now AI?
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Wtf that question wasn’t for you. Maybe you should stop signing as por flavor.In post 371, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:
No, I’m not suspicious of Nico for lurking, she does that a lot as town, especially on D1. It’s what she said, that is making me suspicious. That’s why I want to get her answer to my question.In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
That makes sense. I still think they’re very similar pushes but I see what you’re saying. You’re probably Town.In post 374, ProFlavor wrote:
Nicos 2nd post came across like “ugh fine I’ll play if I must” - like a setup for later so she can be like “I’m lurking because I told you I’m already not really engaged in this game” (it’s a weak read on one sentence tbh)In post 370, Alchemist21 wrote:Flesh out the difference between your scumread of Nico and U2’s scumread of Pint. They seem the same to me because you’re both pushing someone for not posting.
U R is more like “I’m don’t see pint doing anything so I’ll just apply pressure” - I note his point that he knows Pint and wants to sort that slot - but I’m sure U r knows how to play the game in general so there are plenty of other dudes to sort - sticking on a read that basically consists of “he’s not doing anything” makes me think he wants to line up the rest of his reads to “fit in” with town - you can’t do that whilst (up to page 11 which I’ve read properly) most of the game has been about STW because you don’t know who is going to obvtown or scum it up
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Scum me these days gets nervous and avoids posting, especially if someone like Gamma or RC who I know can read me well is present. As it’s been said to me before there’s a certain thoughtfulness in my Town posting that my scumgame lacks. My Townread on Ari is a good example of that.In post 398, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Could you throw me a couple of things which you think are unlikely to come from scum!you this game so we can tighten up our read?In post 296, Alchemist21 wrote:
Town.In post 245, Shoshin the worst wrote:
Alchemist, as someone who has no experience whatsoever in playing with you: how would you be reading yourself, if you were another slot in this game? (Sorry for the annoying question. I'm going somewhere with this I promise.)In post 238, Alchemist21 wrote:
I was wondering why you hadn’t mentioned me yet. It was getting weird.In post 234, Tibor and Lumia wrote:Since this never got a good point to be brought up, I am townreading Alchemist rn. His solving looks genuine and he’s quite present. Matches my concept of town!Alchemist over scum!Alchemist.
-Gamma Quadrant
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VOTE: u r a person 2
Not a fan of their tiber vote. The vote plus their explanations feel like they were just latching onto what STW was doing. Supposing they thought the dayvig was real and STW was about to die, I think a U2 scumflip indicates STW Town with U2 wanting to mimic a soon-to-be-dead Townie’s play.- Alchemist21
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Ok I missed that part. I thought you were just latching on out of nowhere.In post 735, u r a person 2 wrote:STW offered a chance to cooperate when they asked who we should vote for
I gave them a list of slots I was interested in getting more from
STW picked T&L
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No, though most of them haven’t really posted either. I could go with a lurker lynch if there aren’t any better options by deadline but we don’t get a lot of useful info from it and I’d rather the vig just take care of them.In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?- Alchemist21
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Btw, talk to me about your Pint read. If you already said why you’re scumreading them (or at least why they’re in your lynch pool) I’ve missed it.In post 738, Almost Chara wrote:@Alch: What do you think of my current lynch pool. Do you TR any of them?- Alchemist21
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I’m in the same boat. Everyone is either Towny or null.In post 870, profii wrote:
Your read list is like a lot of town reads and question marks on the lurkier slotsIn post 868, u r a person 2 wrote:
lots out of game on my plate today. haven't read over yesterday yet. this is where im at right now. I'm also interested in taly as I continue doing a round of looking at my town reads.In post 855, Varsoon wrote:What are your reads, URAP2?
Care to share who you are PoE'ing through and why?
I've been just kinda glossing your recent posts, so if there's answers there, sorry.
Feed it to me
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1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra) town
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra) ???
3. Mewtaph ???
4. u r a person 2 hey, that's me
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra) town
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra) town
7. pinturucchio town
8. nicorobin ???
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra) ???
10. Kokichi Oma ???
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra) town
12. alchemist21 town
13. Taly town
14. Varsoon town
I did a similar read list and got similar results in my hydra PT
So when STW said this game is hard to read I kinda town read that - because for this reason, it kinda is- Alchemist21
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Who’s rotisserie slap chop?In post 872, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:Townleaning both rotisserie slap chop and Bono.- Alchemist21
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I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemistis someone I want to sort more.
I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality onSTW128 133, 153 and the vote/unvote ontoUP2734 and 736), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.
ProFlavor,Michael Scott, andPintneed an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.
Mephisto reread/UP2 Wagon Evaluation/ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pintare the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.- Alchemist21
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What makes you think I’m not being genuine? This sounds like a you just made up a reason to keep your vote where it was during RVS.In post 965, Mewtaph wrote:Yes. You can take that vote as serious in that I haven't seen any other wagon was compelling enough for me to shift my vote. I don't buy how he's approaching the game state as genuine.
It was an open ended question, so I wasn't expecting any answer in particular.In post 936, Taly wrote:
What answer were you expecting here?In post 765, Mewtaph wrote:Hey Gamma, can I ask you a question? Do you think that I should be town reading you this game?
I thought ignoringIn post 936, Taly wrote:
I didn't like the initial voting onIn post 772, Mewtaph wrote:I like u r a person 2 for town quite a bit actually, and I would be willing to do my first active sort to them, Taly or Varsoon.
I think NicoRobin is a decent point to poke with a stick before deadline rears too close, but is a bad wagon to get going near deadline in case they are really just apathetic!town.
I don't know why pinturrichio keeps pushing their content back repeatedly but it's not a great look.UP2when I first skimmed through it, the reasons for a scumread there lacked substance (PromptingMichael Scottto explain why he thoughtUP2'sposts were manufactured, that's the vote that most got my attention when it happened.)
I agree a bit onNico. A lurker lynch won't get anywhere, and I don't trust the fact that everyone is like"where's the scum at"?
:/ I get my vote onKokichicontradicts the above statement, but I'm working to change this.
Pintpushing content back... not a great look? Or scum-indicative?u r a person 2'sself-referential call for a wagon on himself by means of a vote over interaction was scummy. There is a part of me that thinks that scum would be looking for something to do outside of STW's wagon after it dissolved.
Mmm, yes. This is how I feel too.
I'm not takingPinthaving to push his content back as scum indicative but I'm saying it would've been bad if posts along those lines continued, which I guess is pointless now.
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It’s as likely as any other scenario.In post 1004, Shoshin the worst wrote:speaking of biased readings what do you all think the odds are that one of nico's scumbuddies was just like "hey vote stw so you're not replaced"- Alchemist21
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This. I think I only have 1 game with Jeanne but I remember all the MD posts about it and her complaining about constantly being WOTC’d. I even remember one mod made a game specifically so she could have a game to play in again.In post 1012, Varsoon wrote:They're kind of infamous for this.
I think they even had a 3-game limit for awhile because of it.
It's a shame, because I really like when they do give it their all in a game.
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Someone already touched on this a bit (can’t remember who) but they were responding individually to posts at/about them in a way that made it easy to tell who was who. My original line of thought was that the lack of signing and being “one voice” was a method to avoid attempts at meta reading them (which their “we have no meta” post seemed to suggest). Their individual responses while still refusing to sign showed me that I was wrong. They’re not shying away from engagement either, which considering Shoshin’s pre-game claim that he’d have little time I believe scum would have used to try and stay under the radar.In post 1017, Taly wrote:
I wasn't convinced by your originalIn post 982, Alchemist21 wrote:
I don’t know what you expect me to respond to here. I’ve made myself pretty clear so if you’re still insure about something you’ll need to ask specific questions instead of asking for a response to a vaguely reasoned read.In post 952, Taly wrote:Alchemistis someone I want to sort more.
I can see scum take the positions he's had (namely the vote/rationality onSTW128 133, 153 and the vote/unvote ontoUP2734 and 736), but, alongside my other iffy/scumlean reads, a lot of people don't agree.
ProFlavor,Michael Scott, andPintneed an individual ISO for me to get thoughts rolling on them.
Mephisto reread/UP2 Wagon Evaluation/ProFlavor/Michael Scott/Pintare the areas of sorting I'm looking to absolve in the next 2 days.STWvote, so can you explain how that read has evolve since 422?
It went back to null. That should have been obvious since I unvoted. Thinking back on it now, it’s slightly Towny that he wanted to work with STW on a common read, but not as Towny as it would be if they had initiated the interaction. STW gets Townier for it.And what were your thoughts onUP2/STW'sinteraction after you unvoted in 736? You stated an argument they were scum/town but you didn't follow up in a change of thought whenUP2clarified something to you.
No.Do you see anything scum-indicative withMewtaphaside from their reasoning to keep their vote on you?- Alchemist21
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Lmao. So you’re trying to say I’m competent enough to engage the thread and have everyone thinking I’m Town without taking over the thread, but you think I can’t even come up with my own thoughts? My 297 is in no way disconnected from what I said about Mephistophanes so that’s just straight bullshit. And then I must be scum because my reads changed? Because I didn’t double down on shit when it became clear I was wrong?
Yeah, no. You’re tripping over yourself to try and justify your terrible posts. You can eat rope today.- Alchemist21
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You’re fine. Your health is more important. Get well soon!In post 1168, pinturicchio wrote:I'm really sorry guys, I don't want to play this game at this moment. Yesterday I did excercise for the first time after surgery and it was good but I went to sleep early since I have no energy at all (I'm still on a restricted diet because of surgery), and before falling asleep I was like "fuck I haven't read the thread" and gave me anxiety 'cause I feel like this is a commitment that I'm not honouring... I hate when I'm fully committed to something and there's someone who's not, and right now I'm doing that.
I had a rough week. I'll try to wash it away and come back, but if I'm not able to do so, I'll have to replace out. You don't deserve this.- Alchemist21
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Mewtaph is scum.In post 1190, Michael Scott wrote:I'm comfortable with my vote on Nico. I think a scum flip there would be useful anyway, given we have associatives already WRT who's trying to lead away from her lynch, and such.
Is there anyone convincingly scum at this point? I'm not seeing scum!STW how Varsoon is.- Alchemist21
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