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[5] xwing

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Persivul (116), rosterfoster (121), Dannflor (127), Egix96 (130), Tchill13 (133)

[2] rosterfoster

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Sashaddin (22), Flubbernugget (53)

[2] Gamma Emerald

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Haschel Cedricson (59), JunkoChan (85)

[1] JunkoChan

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Gamma Emerald (3)

[1] Sashaddin

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BuJaber (126)

[2] Not Voting

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xwing, Slaxx

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-01-30 01:15:00)

Mod Notes

:

Slaxx replaces Nikk. Please welcome him!

[Slaxx]

This playerlist kicks ass

Alright, reading up now.

[Flubbernugget]

Haschels tryharding reads town

Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.

This is exactly what scum would do

Aren't these two posts completely contradictory?

Why would they be?

[Flubbernugget]

And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

[Slaxx]

Egix what is different about xwing in this game compared to last game (Schadd's)?

[Flubbernugget]

Yeah last time I played with xwing I scum read them for being to passive and they greened

[Slaxx]

Yeah last time I played with xwing I scum read them for being to passive and they greened

Yup. I'm very interested in hearing what is so different about their play here. I actually wasn't keen on holding his read to the standard of another game we were all in, I am not a meta guy, but he himself mentioned that game and said town her could do better.

[Dannflor]

I like 127 but am not willing to vote xwing myself yet.

UNVOTE: xwing
VOTE: Sashaddin

Are you willing to vote xwing now?

[Dannflor]

Nothing Gamma has said makes me think they could be town. That's really all there is to it.

Why is this a scum read? What of the very little non RP that Gamma's done has been overtly scummy? Because the way you're phrasing your read here makes me think it could apply to any number of people at this stage of the game.

[Persivul]

I like 127 but am not willing to vote xwing myself yet.

Ew. Yucky post.

[Persivul]

Haschels tryharding reads town

Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.

This is exactly what scum would do

Aren't these two posts completely contradictory?

Why would they be?

Er, because if you think scum would also try hard, then tryhard should be NAI to you.

[Persivul]

And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

If you're referring to 97, how did you miss 100?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

But you read tryharding as town...

Why do you equate consistency with tryharding?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's not completely off the hook yet though.

Not off the hook for what

Not following the game closely?

not a fan of this justification for moving your vote but I don't think the Gamma wagon is good to begin with

Gamma's not completely off the hook yet though.

Not off the hook for what

Not following the game closely?

not a fan of this justification for moving your vote but I don't think the Gamma wagon is good to begin with

Pretty much. I still don't think Gamma is town.

Why does not following the game make me scum?

[Egix96]

Gamma's not completely off the hook yet though.

Not off the hook for what

Not following the game closely?

not a fan of this justification for moving your vote but I don't think the Gamma wagon is good to begin with

Gamma's not completely off the hook yet though.

Not off the hook for what

Not following the game closely?

not a fan of this justification for moving your vote but I don't think the Gamma wagon is good to begin with

Pretty much. I still don't think Gamma is town.

Why does not following the game make me scum?

Because I'm thinking that town!you would have paid more attention.

Are you busy with RL stuff/overgamed/etc? That could help to explain things.

[Gamma Emerald]

Combo of overgamed and other things holding more of my interest. I’ve been helping my friend who’s just starting a game I’ve been playing for a few months now.

[Egix96]

Combo of overgamed and other things holding more of my interest. I’ve been helping my friend who’s just starting a game I’ve been playing for a few months now.

Right, noted.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I find the way the swing wagon formed interesting. A lot of people expressed interest, then they all joined up to vote.

[Egix96]

Egix what is different about xwing in this game compared to last game (Schadd's)?

Let's compare.

From this game:

im here..not finding much to comment on atm..

Haschels tryharding reads town

i will agree for now..

It's too elaborate to fake

I mean it's not that hard. I have only played one game.

I'm not liking this hardcore defence of me. Feels a bit like trying way too hard to find townieness from what I said. As if he

knows

I'm town.

VOTE: Dannflor

i agree it seems like dann is *trying* to pocket, but his later posts seems fine..

I always believed that naked votes during RVS are Status quo for noob mafia

I naked vote in RVS frequently as either alignment. It's no big deal.

for me, naked votes are NAI this early too..

Gamma is null at best and slightly scummy for not following the game closely enough.
It's not the subject of the vote that I take issue with. It's that it's naked after Dann said he thinks scum are more inclined to post reasons with their votes than not.

@gamma ^
what do you think?

And from Mini 2048:

Hello I have arrived.

VOTE: Vote: xwing

Normal day 1 probing.

why do you need to insert the last line (bolded for emphasis)?

I am interested if the following players are interested in pushing the Trivium wagon through to a lynch:


2.Nikk
5.Wagonomics
6.Egix96
9.Robert2424

i dont get this question..who would push through to lynch someone on day 1 page 2/3?

VOTE: trivium

VOTE: trivium

This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.

VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but still

FoS

ing Doughboy.

I can agree with this.

VOTE: xwing

disliking egix vote here, reasons below..

VOTE: trivium

VOTE: trivium

This puts him at L-2. Those are two blind votes on a bandwagon that has no substance.

VOTE: xwing because that was the L-2, but still

FoS

ing Doughboy.

what if it's L-2? why does it concern you? does it mean you find the other votes are not blind?
also, why FoS doughboy (henceforth shortened as DB) among all the other voters?

My point is that you two just posted naked votes and no other game content, which
1) takes an oppurtunity to jump on a wagon that seems like it's going to lynch, clearly to try and appear town, and
2) doesn't post any game advancing content for us to try to read them by.
Previous voters did
a)not naked vote, or
b)were on a wagon that just started developing.

do you seriously think someone is going to get lynched on page 2 or 3?
putting trivium in L-2 is giving us game advancing content..do you agree or disagree?
if i put a jokey reason during my RVS vote, would my L-2 vote still have pinged you?
are you scum?
VOTE: goldenparadox

[snip]

Ehh. Just because a wagon forms on someone very quickly, doesn't necessarily mean the person being wagoned is town.

Example I can cite: the beginning of Newbie 1893.

i like the bolded above, and taking note..i did like trivium's reaction to his wagon though..
conversely disliking goldenparadox and nikk slots on their reactions to it..
feeling dubious on egix slot for initially agreeing with golden and voting my slot, then backtracking..

Notice how in the other game, xwing was thinking more critically and not just agreeing with stuff, and furthermore it was based on a smaller (but still comparable) number of previous posts. Here he seems to be lacking that element of original thought, and that's what I'm disappointed by.

[Persivul]

Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

But you read tryharding as town...

Why do you equate consistency with tryharding?

WTF? How do you come up with that question from what you quoted?

[Persivul]

Why does not following the game make me scum?

Because scum already know the answers, hence they don't really need to analyze it as closely as town.

VOTE: Gamma

[Flubbernugget]

And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

If you're referring to 97, how did you miss 100?

I didn't miss it. It was a contrived point and hard to figure out what you were getting at.

In a similar vein then, you should have a good set of town reads to go off of?

[Flubbernugget]

Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

But you read tryharding as town...

Why do you equate consistency with tryharding?

WTF? How do you come up with that question from what you quoted?

Funny enough, I would have asked you the same thing.

[Persivul]

And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

If you're referring to 97, how did you miss 100?

I didn't miss it. It was a contrived point

On what basis?

and hard to figure out what you were getting at.

What part of "Not that they're all scum in this particular game" did you have trouble with?

[Persivul]

Haschels tryharding reads town

Here you say that tryharding reads town.

I mean scum doesn't "scumread" someone based on something that happened in a previous game and then double check that to compare. It's too elaborate to fake. Yea, you can argue WIFOM or whatever but there's a far greater likelihood that line of thought comes from town.

Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

Here you say that scum need to work harder than town.

If Haschel is working hard, should that not then be scummy, or at best NAI, according to your position on effort in 50?

Are you using "tryharding" in 45 to mean something other than actually trying hard? (Some of the terms that evolve here do more harm than good, as they mean different things to different people).

And why are you being combative, rather than working with me to come to an understanding?