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[TemporalLich]

Could you talk more about how Skellen might have been trying to trap you?

this is a p townie post

113 and 116 are required for context.

I see it as oriented toward me as a player but I feel that's an unpopular opinion. Regardless I'm going softscum.

[Emperor flippyNips]

@person get over yourself I’m stating how I feel right now, idk how you’ll fair out later

[Emperor flippyNips]

To answer your question tho, everything that’s come from skellen has been super genuine and progressive to the game from a town stand point so I’m pretty solid about her being town

[roomy]

every time I check back in my faith in nips lynch > lich lynch is strengthened

[Clemency]

i'd still be fairly satisfied with a TemporalLynch and would be ready to take the consequences of a green flip

[Skellen]

@flippy:
I would also agree with urap regarding your Clem read. He is kind of running low on the radar for me, what gives you the same town vibes from him like in your last game?

There is one thing that has been bugging me. Why did you vote Lich instantly up to L-1 when you were done with skimming through the thread after roomy unvoted to avoid a premature hammer considering Clem has declared his intent to hammer Lich before roomy's unvote? There were after all a few reasons to not end the day yet (well mostly you and the Birdy slot).

[Skellen]

Skellen tries to defend her vote in 167 saying the question wasn't even a question and continuing to push the idea I'm scum.

Of course I get back at you when you feel to step into the thread and throw a false accusation at me like in #128. I just like how you ignore the rest of my post you referred to (again) and just cherrypick the "question trap". I honestly can't follow on this one, it's imo pretty straight forward stated by me.

I will just ask again what I already did in my older post. Why did you vote CatStar over flippy or Birdy when both were worse lurkers than her at that point? And what are you thinking of flippy now, particularly in context of what I pointed out in #205? I know you read him as neutral, thus you didn't write anything about him, but I would still like to hear one or two sentences from you about him.

[Emperor flippyNips]

@Skellen I think that’s just how I am towards Clem which is why Have him in the null/ town lean spot vs straight up saying he’s town.
I wanted to see how he continued to react on L1 with someone new suspecting him as being scum I knew I wouldn’t be quick lynching him, then if someone did that’s info right there. I had no intent to end the day yet just wanted to see if I could stir something new up in lich

[TemporalLich]

Skellen tries to defend her vote in 167 saying the question wasn't even a question and continuing to push the idea I'm scum.

Of course I get back at you when you feel to step into the thread and throw a false accusation at me like in #128. I just like how you ignore the rest of my post you referred to (again) and just cherrypick the "question trap". I honestly can't follow on this one, it's imo pretty straight forward stated by me.

I will just ask again what I already did in my older post. Why did you vote CatStar over flippy or Birdy when both were worse lurkers than her at that point? And what are you thinking of flippy now, particularly in context of what I pointed out in #205? I know you read him as neutral, thus you didn't write anything about him, but I would still like to hear one or two sentences from you about him.

Lurking isn't a big issue compared to having ulterior motives.

Also I'd call flippy and birdy inactive, which is forgivable.

Since I didn't find any in my PbP, my vote is better off being on someone who's actually on the scum radar.

VOTE: Skellen

[TemporalLich]

As for Emp L-1ing me, the forgivable part is being L-1 puts pressure on you and you'll either break or bend.

I do have to agree it's awfully convenient and scummy especially considering I was already at L-1

with intent

. So more scumlean.

[Emperor flippyNips]

I’m not. It’s too early for a lynch generally, and I want time. I haven’t posted content because I’m mobile during the day. Fat fingers little screen. More in appr 3/4

Soo it’s been a little longer than 3 or 4 hours, unless you were talking about days.
I’m waiting for some more of that teacher wisdom. What are your reads looking like?

[Clemency]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

[Frozen Angel]

good replaces Birdy. Effective immediately.

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.8

TemporalLich (3): Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips

[L-2]
CatStar (1): good
good (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (1): roomy
Skellen (1): TemporalLich

Not Voting (2): Clemency, teacher

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-02-18 11:05:00)

Spoiler: Vote Change Tracker/Vote Links Day 1

teacher -> Clemency, TemporalLich,

Unvote

CatStar -> good
u r a person 2 -> CatStar, TemporalLich
roomy -> u r a person 2,

Unvote

, TemporalLich,

Unvote

, Emperor flippyNips
Emperor flippyNips -> Skellen,

Unvote

, TemporalLich
TemporalLich -> roomy,

Unvote

, CatStar, Skellen
Skellen -> CatStar,

Unvote

, TemporalLich
good -> CatStar
Clemency ->

Unvote

Spoiler: Wagon Change Tracker Day 1

TemporalLich (3):

roomy

,

teacher

, Skellen, u r a person 2, Emperor flippyNips
CatStar (2-1):

u r a person 2

,

Skellen

, good,

TemporalLich

good (1): CatStar
Emperor flippyNips (1): roomy
Skellen (0+1):

Emperor flippyNips

, TemporalLich
roomy (0):

TemporalLich

u r a person 2 (0):

roomy

Clemency (0):

teacher

[TemporalLich]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

Nice fake unvote.

[CatStar]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

Nice fake unvote.

Huh. Good catch. Makes their point tho.

So, process of elimination if skellen, roomy, URAP are town... Clemency and teacher are hard to be sure about at this point and helpful so don't support looking their way that leaves TL, good and flippynips.

TL: disagree with their read. Note that their reanalysis came out with the same result not as conceived this is townie. @temporallich: what do you think of the fact most other people are town reading your scum read? What prompted you to go back and re evaluate?

Waiting for good to come in so will see.

Flippynips: what do you think of TL change of tone, does that alter your perception?

[CatStar]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

Anyone replaced them? Also, what do you make of the push on them- tvt or scum pushing a mislych?

[Clemency]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

Nice fake unvote.

aw you ruined my master plans

[Clemency]

UNVOTE: temporallich
not my top lynch candidate anymore

Anyone replaced them? Also, what do you make of the push on them- tvt or scum pushing a mislych?

209 made me feel like he's pushing with real town motivation
i'll have to rewrite my list

[good]

hi im very good will catch up in due time

[Clemency]

that man looks good

[teacher]

Welcome. And I am now rested and off work. Catching up.

[teacher]

My tentative reads list, pending Good's participation. I want the Litch lynch today, Im going to put my vote back up in my next post explaining why.

Teacher
Skellen/Roomy
URAP
___________
Clem
Catstar
Flippy
___________
Good
Lich

[teacher]

So, I want Lich lynched. I'm putting the vote back up and going to make my case.
VOTE: TemporalLich.

This is L-1.

First, we have the obvious, confusing play and some odd wordings. Im not going to belabor this one, since it has been much discussed already.

Second, we have the continued waffling. This hasnt been hit as much. 115 says CatStar's the scummiest, and 117 explains as an active lurker. But 198 moves CatStar to a lean NAI without explanation -- CatStar's rate of posting hadn't increased (about 5% of posts 120-180; about 4% of posts 10-120, with about the same level of interaction).

Third, which is both related and to me most telling, I see no effort to solve at all. At no point does Lich investigate any of his suspects -- I dont see questions directed to CatStar or Skellen. It seems almost as if he knows their alignment, and is seeing what sticks. The lack of desire to solve -- investigate or justify his reads with specific reactions to specific posts just comes across as not towny.

Fourth, and the most compelling point for scum!good, is Birdy's 78. I saw this as a potential partnership play, of accelerating the wagon that was tied with Lich and hopefully redirecting attention to another slot.

Finally, I think we learn the most from flipping Lich. His near-lynch wagon (roomy-skellen-me-Urap-

Clem's intent

) would almost certainly contain one scum if he flips green. This information would force me to reevaluate the townblock I am willing to form to PoE this game with Roomy, Skellen, and URAP.

I conclude by reminding the board this is L-1

[teacher]

i'll have to rewrite my list

Clem, when rewritten, can we get the list. I found your intent on Lich troubling given the gamestate of multiple lurkers subject to being replaced and several days left. I have less of a grasp of where you are coming from this game generally - I get that it may be being overgamed, but I need to see inside your head a little more.