Newbie 1917 - Game Over

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URAP
plz be town

Don't worry, I got you bb =P

But I have a bullshit amount of work to do this morning and will catch up mid-late afternoon cst

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With the exception of 16 this looks scummy af. And ya'll know how I feel about sorting people on their entrances. BTW last game BOTH scum could be caught in their first posts, not just NMSA. If you remember, I called out salami on his very first post and never looked back.

Early reads are GL, TTTT, Thespio town, CS, chenn scum.

Okay, back to work. more not until later =/

But yes, now I'm realizing that I should ask @TTTT, just what is it in Chen's minimal content that you find scummy?

I hate doing this bc now it's gonna look like I'm super-efforting for this lynch
but you asked nicely...

Spoiler:

VOTE: Screamingnoodle Gonna put the pressure on someone who's confirmed while I'm waiting for the inactives.

EbWoP: confirmed their role PM.

1 post is not enough to scumread anyone. Best to let the game develop in RVS for now I guess

no worries, there's not really a "standard" and people will have different opinions on how to interpret things. if you're town don't sweat it, I'll likely come around on you if you stay engaged. early game you kinda just have to start with small things and see where it leads, to me voting you for a non-random reason is

incrementally better than voting a slot randomly

You're right. May change vote to Muh due to "voting for salt" (better than voting a random slot)

this looks like newbscum overly concerned with how others perceive him
9 is over-explained
we know chennis read the "Introduction and Tips" post with the RVS info (based on 15)
yet he still goes out of his way to make his RVS vote look un-scummy
10 is unnecessary (again looks like he's concerned with how he's viewed)
15 the "I guess" is noncommitall and the whole post is a missed opportunity to engage with his accuser (GL)
16 here he kinda engages with GL but in an appeasing way that is non-committal and approval seeking

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oh NMSA is probably town, too. Let's call it town lean because he's a smart guy and could probably improve dramatically from game 1 to game 2. i'll look more into that idea later

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@CsBlastoise
I know it's early
but if you had to pick one scum right now
who it be?

Too soon to say.

c'mon
gun to your head who is scum?

[Very fearfully]

Aaah! I'm telling you I have no clue! Now get that gun away from me, please!

Seriously, though, I'm on the new side. I'm not that great at reading people. (Not to mention that I was too quick to hammer a Vanilla Townie in Newbie 1827… and I was town.)

(I seriously need to stop citing Newbie 1827.)

I don't like this

at all.

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Right now, reguardless of our disagreement on NAI early newbie posts, here is my list Town>Scum

CS>TTTT>GuiltyLion

but i cant add anyone else because no one else is posting.

Does this post even mean anything? I don't know who he is town reading/scum reading from this..

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I'm a her. I've just been mainly reading what everyone has been saying. Mainly because I am not used to the mechanics that you all have been discussing.

which mechanics?

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Hi, my school blocks Mafia and I had to sleep, so I wasn't on for a while.

I will read through and give thoughts.

It's stupid as all heck, but seriously, greeting the thread (esp in first posts, but later too I bet) comes from newb!scum way way more often than from newb!town

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@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me

thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.

@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)

@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.

the question to thespio seems kind of townie, actually. rest of post pretty nai

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Oh, here's something that would be nice to know: What time zones are people in?

I'm in the US eastern time zone, GMT -5 (daylight saving starts March 10)

PEdit: Ninja'd

"what else could I possibly talk about in the thread today?"

"Oh, here's something that..."

=/

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@screaming wait did you just OMGUS me

thoughts: TTTT is probably town tunneling too hard at the beginning. See Newbie 1912 where Enter pushed Loopdan for a D1 lynch. Somewhere between Null & Town Lean

CsBlastoise is Town Lean for trying not to push town too hard at the beginning.

@Thespio what makes you think people are trying to lynch me? Two of the three on my wagon are applying pressure and the other is OMGUSing(?)

@Screaming an OMGUS is usually indicative of scum, though I won't scumread you off of that.

BAM, a newbie, through and through. I’m 100% sure their early game proves it. Here they are reading games of their opponents, if they’re scum they would have blown up PT not our game.

Not scum-indicative

But I disagree with the conclusion here

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@URAP

Why do you think GL/TTTT/Thespio are town? And why do you think I'm scum?

Also, what is that townread on NMSA? Has NSMA req'd a replacement?

I'm gonna finish reading the thread before I start defending any read

But I'm not going to do that right now. Back to work! see you all later this afternoon <3

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@CS and Chenn

Can you tell me, based on 88, what read Thespio has on Guilty Lion? Town or scum?

What about TTTT?

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You're right, RVS is a bad way to scumread. I'll wait for more content before I can really say who scum is.

you should look at my completed newbie games. It's silly how many newbie scum give themselves away immediately.

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1912 was the only game I read after the 1917 thread started.

And iirc Thespio claimed somewhere it was his only scumgame

Thespio did not mention either having a scum game or game 1912 prior to you mentioning having read it.

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Ayyy TTTT gj.
Got'em, coach

Spoiler: spoiled for space

And my background in mafia games - I've read 2 or 3 games to completion, including one with Thespio and Loopdan (though I won't be able to meta well, two birds with one stone right?). However, this is my first time playing.

PEDIT:
@Guilty yes I am aware TTTT=Loopdan. I'm not sure if he wanted it to be kept secret-ish (though on second thought he literally reveals).

And I looked at 1912 because TTTT and Thespio were in the same game

and it was recent. Considering that 1912 was the only time Thespio rolled scum, it was in my opinion the most informative to read.

@chennis

just curious how you knew I was Loopdan

like did you realize that before, after, or during the time you were reading through 1912

?

I looked through a game including you before this one started. I checked your profile and was surprised to learn you are Loop.

after 1912

something doesn't add up here

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I can buy town!chennisden backwards-justifying why he was reading that other game
it's a bit suspicious cuz he doesn't mention Muh (who was also in that game)
but it's possibly a town mistake
I wanna move on from that
particularly because 140 is much worse than anything else he's written

Catch and Release only fishing today at the lake I guess??

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(I'm new-ish, remember)

I seem to remember someone mentioning this once or twice, yeah =)

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muh316 has requested replacement.

requested

that's gonna fuck with my head

eww

don't let it.

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Nothing from screaming pinged me until this. The read list here seems more likely from scum than town. That said, the post as a whole feels townie. Basically making this post as a bookmark

Spoiler: screaming post, spoiled for space

Ninja Edits:
@Screaming RE Post 157: Mod said Saint already asked for replacement.

Ahh, I missed that. I see Muh requested replacement too. Regardless, I hope the spots are filled soon. Kind of annoying...

Thoughts:
I feel like some of you know this game TOO well to be newbs. It's showing and intimidating. Half my day is spent reading back and forth and we still have virtually no information to go on! I feel like a lynch is really need to start telling what is what and where is where.
I'm a little rusty but used to play forum Mafia/werewolf for several years. You guys are coming up to conclusions out of thin air. Which, such is usually the case for day 1. We really need more of a consensus on who the first lynch should be.

These are my thoughts so far:
Scum leaning: TTTT, GuiltyLion, and chennisden. In fact, the accusations going back and forth may actually be them working together to up front prove they are not scum and last in the game longer.
Null: Thespio and pretty much everyone else. I don't know why Thespio but... it's just a feeling... may not even been substantiated.

I'm going back to the town bar, having some town scotch, and dancing on town tables.

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@URAP
I mostly want to hear from you if you think any of these newer players are town-telling yet
usually I can pick up an early TR or two on newbies
but I got nothing rn

there is def some lynchbait in this game, mate lol =)

But you caught one scum so gj

p.edit yes, it is. It is exactly that.

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omg URAP2! welcome, can we be town together?? TTTT/URAP2/GL townbloc but would wreck scum in this game I think

TTTT I entirely agree about how none of the newbies seem to be towntelling. If I had to pick one out of all of them it'd be CsBlastoise for town but even he is not without concern.

yes I am feeling this town bloc for sure

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like I don't know if newbscum!Chen thinks to post 134, that just kinda vibes fundamentally honest paranoia about me. and then 136 doesn't feel like scum lying either. I think what was pinging me earlier may be just kinda awkwardness and trying to play "correctly" in a sense

chen has been desperately trying to argue that other slots should be engaged/pressured ever since getting scum read Lots of other slots. Any other slot. I think it's just transparently scum.

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New read on TTTT: Scum.

He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.

Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.

But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.

GL give your thoughts on this plz

i think it's entirely inconsistent with the tone and direction Chenn took starting immediately after this

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oh NMSA is probably town, too. Let's call it town lean because he's a smart guy and could probably improve dramatically from game 1 to game 2. i'll look more into that idea later

Eh, I feel like NMSA hasn't posted enough content yet to get a read — again, 4 posts, all of them one-liners (not counting quotes), is basically nothing to go on.

I think you should read my completed newbie games and the PT's I kept if you want to see just how alignment indicative early posts can be.

NMSA is town here more often than not, but like I said before, could have improved since last game.

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looks like chenn only has one vote on em ookay

VOTE: Chennisden

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like I don't know if newbscum!Chen thinks to post 134, that just kinda vibes fundamentally honest paranoia about me. and then 136 doesn't feel like scum lying either. I think what was pinging me earlier may be just kinda awkwardness and trying to play "correctly" in a sense

chen has been desperately trying to argue that other slots should be engaged/pressured ever since getting scum read Lots of other slots. Any other slot. I think it's just transparently scum.

tbh this reading is undercut by just how non-existent the chenn wagon is rn.

But perhaps it felt different when the two people pushing it were TTTT and GL who both have an out-sized presence in this thread.

okay rip my reads to shred or ask me questions or build on what I've started.

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(which I would hope not be the case in a newbie game)

eh okay maybe this is town

VOTE: Thespio

who is up for this lynch

nope you're at L-3

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as for #226, im new but not stupid. lurking would make me in the bottom of the scumreads, but I want to actually help town (because I'm town).

I'm not trying to imply that you're stupid. I don't think you are.

I'm not sure what the second part is referencing.

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I know you aren't implying I'm stupid. I'm just saying that as mafia, would I really go out and be the center of attention instead of lurking? No newbscum would pull such a gambit, especially w/ coaching

And are you asking about the @GL section? I remember he said that I shouldn't worry about playing to some "norm," it was in response to that

why not? I would =P

I'm not asking about gl. I am confused by the question

yes my town reads are, as I've indicated, GL, TTTT, NMSA,

Thespo I'm still leaning town on but that read has waned a bit

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oops echo replaced Saint not NSMA

Why do you townread NSMA? For one I think his lurking is a little scummy.

his tone in his opening post and in his last two posts (one post and ebwop) are just a lot more easy flowing than last game. and he was scum last game.

I think what maybe you are missing is that reads are something that (i believe anyway) one should make and then continuously reevaluate. I'm not going to stop evaluating his slot, but what has come out of his slot so far looks like town.

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yooo, GL

I got your spot on this wagon saved

Let's talk. Where are you at on Chenn rn?

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@NMSA I like the last post as coming from town!you

but I'm going to need actual reasons for some of your reads. Please and ty ;P

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Well, URAP, I'd say based on posts that closely preceded it that Thespio had either a scumlean or a scumread on GL. Really, you should be asking Thespio this question — and I must ask why you're asking about something from 150 posts before yours, written 24 hours before your post, when Thespio may well have changed his reads by now — but I suppose your post is good for getting reactions as well as getting answers.

I agree with you about the rest of his points

My point was that this post in particular seems almost designed to be ambiguous.

And more interesting than this post is actually the reactions of you and Chenn

Neither of you picked up what I was putting down, and didn't really seem to even try to see where I was coming from considering you both came back to me with surface level analysis.

And I'm kind of thinking that if one of you flips scum it might actually spew thespo town, but I'm going to have to think on this one some more.

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I agree with you about the rest of his points

not sure how my fingers typed this but what my brain was thinking was

I agree with you on his reads based on his surrounding posts

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@echo didn't you know that putting chenn to L-1 makes you conf!scum? =)

Welcome to the game, mate

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, I'm going to sheep urap and TTTT unless one flips scum, since my reads so far pretty much line up.

Sheeping this early into the game, when there are people not posting. this ladies and gentlemen is called a scum tell.

Not scum, just crazy busy irl because of tests and other stuff, plus I trust those two to find scum cause I have nothing else to go on besides a scumlean on chennisden.

mate, please find an hour to give some actual content sometime in the next few days.

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@TTTT and @GL how are you guys feeling rn

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not really, the only reason there's really a wagon on chennis is people feel the need to have a wagon somewhere
i'm on it bc i think it's fun :shrug:

How's this now?

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yeah okay im still happy here. rah rah team spirit yay let's go

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@urap happy on my wagon?

yup
happy with someone giving intent too

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Okay, but don't hold off too long on that claim. I think you already know what it will look like if you start to stall too much.

no one should claim anything until someone gives intent to hammer them

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if mhsmith were here he would be telling us to stop thinking and lynch nmsa and screaming

but i dont want to talk my way out of this

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I don't know about anyone else, but the start of this just seems scummy for some reason. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, can't tell why. Can anyone explain the last sentence? I can't quite understand what it means, it seems disconnected if you know what I mean. Also, sorry for the inactivity.

wow i am having serious deja vu here rn

we're just going to do this until i have more time to look at this game UNVOTE:

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so like this is kinda bold but do scum have daychat ?

I have the same question. Does scum have daychat?

yeah do they?

Mafia have access to their Private Topic at all times.

These are called dumb-tells, boys and girls. Here, Echo and Chenn present as not having enough information to possibly be scum. It's super easy to fake, and almost always the information is available in the first few posts.

Carry on! =)

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Answers to above:

1. I only had one scumread when I posted my reads list. I've changed my mind on Spam and think his posts seem scummy rather than NAI now, but that wasn't >1 read before.

2. 1 vote will do nothing

But since you asked so nicely,

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

This is basically the question im pondering

Chenn presents as very scummy to me

So does NMSA, tbh. I buy that NMSA improves his tone as scum. And I also buy that scum!NMSA tries this whole lurk/sheep bit

But like, they're not cross voting each other as scum partners d1, right?

So who is the lynch bait? That's the question.

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@NMSA could you please talk to me about your thoughts on echo?

At least a few sentences, but I'll also take as much as you've got time to give if you want.

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VOTE: NMSA

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The content you have posted has definitely changed what I think.

how so?

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if mhsmith were here he would be telling us to stop thinking and lynch nmsa and screaming

but i dont want to talk my way out of this

Why to lynch me? Please explain.

If anything, I think I've given plenty away to be screaming Town to the high heavens. I'm genuinely curious.

he likes to say something to the effect of "sort by post count, become pretty good scum hunter"

how do you think you've town-told? Also, I have another question in my last post waiting for you

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was this mhsmith comment said for a reason? or just to say it, just out of curiosity. if the former, what reason? do you think we should lynch those two ??

i said it for a mix of reasons

1) i wanted to see who would respond to it and how. it was opaque, and i did not expect new players to know who or what I was talking about.
2) I was expressing an interest in both of those slots

I'm generally pretty free-flowing with my thoughts. If I have them, I usually share them.

Now, at this point in the game (as opposed to when I make that post) I'm still torn between a number of slots in an exceptionally scummy game, but NMSA + screaming is def a possibility I'm seriously considering. And I think one in {nmsa, screaming} is very likely scum

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To give you context on the thought process, and i'm only going into this because newbie-queue

I was becoming concerned that chenn might be town in spite of their play because of the high post count. High post count in newbie scum is not impossible, but it is not the norm. Which got me thinking about what smith says. That led me to checking post counts and making the post

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If you were to have asked me what I think I learned as a result of the responses I would have said that

I think it confirms that a number of slots are reading this game either too quickly or without a critical eye, and I believe this probably accounts - at least in part - for why this game feels so scummy

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I've been town telling since my first thought post, but I understand it's hard to pick up. Maybe coming out the gate saying "I'M TOWN" makes it better?

No

I would like a serious response, please.

Where do you think you've shown that you're town?

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I probably cast suspicion on myself for being AFK all weekend. :/ Which I can understand... I guess.

nope not why you're being scum read

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my notes say
town!chennis = town!NotMy & town!Echo
not sure why
probably how the wagon formed

i think im in agreement on town!chennis = town!echo

but why town!NMSA?

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VOTE: screamingnoodle

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I don't have a single strong TR

this is a problem i'm having as well.

You're the only slot i'm solidly town reading.

GL is a close second but not as strong

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Found it...
254
I don't see scum!NotMy openly sheeping the third vote onto a mislynch
I read that post as genuine

oh interesting. This is actually the post that makes me scum read NMSA and also the one that made me start to reconsider on chenn. I thought this was exactly how scum!nmsa would hop on a mislynch

This is the point on which we build our town bloc. Why does scum!nmsa not do this?

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Found it...
254
I don't see scum!NotMy openly sheeping the third vote onto a mislynch
I read that post as genuine

oh interesting. This is actually the post that makes me scum read NMSA and also the one that made me start to reconsider on chenn. I thought this was exactly how scum!nmsa would hop on a mislynch

This is the point on which we build our town bloc. Why does scum!nmsa not do this?

can I jump in on this or do you want TTTT to answer first

Yeah i don't care, jump in

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I think he learned from his first game (as scum) about what looks like acting
I think if he rolled scum here he would be playing it super safe and try not to stick out

Let me go back and read his iso in the first game because I had not drawn the same conclusion. I'm not going to be able to follow through on this until this evening. Although, since both you and GL have the same read on this, I'm inclined to listen

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Let's say for the sake of argument that NMSA is in the town bloc, though.

So that means the wagon on Chenn had

TTTT, u r a person 2, NotMySpamAccount, Echo

all town wagon?

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I think if there's scum in my blind spot it's Echo - I like his reads this game so I haven't taken too critical of an eye towards his posts but there are some things there that could be scum-indicative after you get a few surprising townflips first

but I've also been thinking that chendennis/screaming noodle scumteam would actually make a lot of sense here

agree with all of this

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New read on TTTT: Scum.

He's making his stuff hard to understand to town. He has no real reason to scumread me.

Literally his only evidence is me forgetting something. Yet he's acting very scummy - posting stuff with little explanation, most of stuff he posts is sarcastic, etc.

But I think TTTT has a point with Muh. If others think this is TvT, I think we gotta go for Muh.

oof icky yucky i don't like this slot either but i feel like screamingnoodle + this isn't scum team bc interactions seem like hardcore noob interactions

which interactions did you think didn't look like SvS, Echo?

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there is 0% chance of a {Chenn, Echo} team, lol. That's for sure

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Is noodle at L-2? If not I'm jumping, if she is I don't want to vote just yet.

L-2, yes

That really shouldn't stop you from putting down your vote, tho. If you scum read noodle, I strongly encourage you to vote.

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Is noodle at L-2? If not I'm jumping, if she is I don't want to vote just yet.

L-2, yes

That really shouldn't stop you from putting down your vote, tho. If you scum read noodle, I strongly encourage you to vote.

by doing this,
you establish that your scum read isn't just bluster
you pressure the person being wagoned
you pressure any scum currently on the wagon (if they want to jump off of a bus or a mislynch, they better start moving..)

It's not a bad thing to do, really.

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I am a little afraid of a lolhammer to be honest

if noodle is town and scum quick hammers, we lynch them tomorrow and enjoy the town-sided 1 for 1 trade.

Sometimes you just gotta trust town not to be stupid. Otherwise it handicaps you.

But yes, please go make sure your scum read is solid before you vote (but after you signal that you're super ready to jump on the wagon if, alas, it wasn't already at L-2!)

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Let her claim! And if she's town, let her give her input before she's lynched! (If shes scum said input might also be helpful.)

Saying this for the second time this game, now bolded for emphasis

No one should claim anything until someone gives intent to hammer

[u r a person 2]

this wagon has a maximum of one scum on it given TTTT,GL,urap town bloc and echo vs chenn not being SvS

[u r a person 2]

if she flips red the partner is another newbie
otherwise she would have fake-claimed to out PR

agreed

kind of want to hear from Thespio prior to hammer, but am also okay with hammer lol

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eh maybe not.

they might not have talked about it beforehand and it came fast

[u r a person 2]

I will grant you that it doesn't feel like Screaming went to the scum pt to ask for help prior to claiming

[u r a person 2]

agreed

kind of want to hear from Thespio prior to hammer, but am also okay with hammer lol

What would you like to know? I have white underwear on, my middle name is William, and I once plugged a wireless mouse into a professors laptop to screw with them.

Well, there is a wagon at L-1 and TTTT has given intent to hammer. Perhaps you could give your read on Screaming noodle, and your thoughts on the wagon?

Pretty funny joke with the professor, lol. We used to flip the top mirror on the overhead projector down so that it wouldn't project and see how long the teacher would take to notice, but I'm showing my age.

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UNVOTE:

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and whoever said that there is at most 1 scum on the wagon, then that means there is at least 1 off

i was going to quote this but you beat me to it

[u r a person 2]

so there is a world where town!chenn is voting screaming but actually confidently believes they are town

and there is the world where chenn is scum

[u r a person 2]

VOTE: chenn

[u r a person 2]

I usually don't like pulling back off of d1 wagons after a vt claim but in this case I really want to make an exception

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this wagon has a maximum of one scum on it given TTTT,GL,urap town bloc and echo vs chenn not being SvS

this is the quote

what you said implies that you believe/know SN is town

which does not gel with you voting SN

or scum reading them

or really any town thought process

[u r a person 2]

Current votes on Chenn are

TTTT, NMSA, URAP2

L-2

[u r a person 2]

and whoever said that there is at most 1 scum on the wagon, then that means there is at least 1 off

@Thespio

What do you think about this and about Chenn's slot overall?

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right now just suuuuuuuuper newbie, like I said, there is likely an SE scum, so the people I think we should look at is chen's wagon, newbie, that are lurking/overly active. Thats my 2 cents at this point. I do think we shouldnt push someone to l-1 and back off before they post though. so the flip here seems odd.

You don't think the comment implies a scum perspective? Why does it imply a newb!town perspective?

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huh - im making up a quick vote count and am noting that thespio's only vote is his rvs vote on GL

[u r a person 2]

same is true of TTTT, lol though it wasn't an RVS vote

[u r a person 2]

UNOFFICIAL VC

Chen(4) - TTTT (18), NMSA (254), URAP2 (462), GL (474)
ScreamingNoodle (2) - EchoVision (394), Chennisden (441)
GL(1) - Thespio


not voting - CSBlastoise (0), Screamingnoodle (118)

no promises to accuracy, but im pretty sure it's accurate

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UNOFFICIAL VC

Chen(4) - TTTT (18), NMSA (254), URAP2 (462), GL (474)
ScreamingNoodle (2) - EchoVision (394), Chennisden (441)
GL(1) - Thespio (19)


not voting - CSBlastoise (0), Screamingnoodle (118)

no promises to accuracy, but im pretty sure it's accurate

added post number to thespio's vote

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so now, i ask this, if this is scum, was scum on or off the wagon? this question isn't to anybody in particular, open to anyone

who is "this" when you say "if this is scum" - chennisden?

I think most likely scenario is scum!chennisden on the wagon with some partner in {CsBlastoise/Thespio} off the wagon. Small small chance of noodle still being scum with chennisden but the fact that there's a risk of town!noodle in scum!chennisworld whereas probability of town!chennis/scum!noodle is much lower after chen's post, makes chen the better lynch today.

This is pretty close to where i'm at

gun to my head, the team is {Chenn, Thespio}

with {Chen, Blastoise} second

and town!chenn making me look at some combination of Blastoise, Echo, NMSA and maybe still Thespio

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so does this mean that noodle is now conf town for you?

no, not conf town

but I do think they are probably town.

@Thespio I'm not voting you because Chenn is the best lynch today, and I think it's pretty clear why I think that!

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so does this mean that noodle is now conf town for you?

no, not conf town

but I do think they are probably town.

@Thespio I'm not voting you because Chenn is the best lynch today, and I think it's pretty clear why I think that!

sorry, conf town was a bit much... but to you, GL, noodle, and TTTT are town?

Yes, I am reading TTTT, GL, and noodle town right now.

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wait was chen able to claim?

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TTTT, why is what I just did a good idea when you did it to MJL in 1915, but a bad idea now?

It got reactions at least.

I'm a little ashamed that you got me

Also, should have waited for a chen reaction before revealing

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I trust URAP2/TTTT to bring it home in case I die, @screamingnoodle/NMSA sheep them wherever they go

Thespio is my bet for scum

i agree

i think the wifom was well, wifom

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Does anyone have any tips for my scumgame? Since we know I'm
1) scum
2) dead

please don't give me the advice to check if I've actually been killed, i already know that lmao

I'll do a write up in post game for ya

You have some work to do, but you're clearly comfortable posting as scum, and that's a big leg up.

I hope you stick around, for sure!

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You know for a game that was in chaos a few hours ago

this went pretty well, lol

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ah I'm jealous of people who feel this way, I used to like scum when I first started but the more I play the harder it is for me to muster up the energy/effort to play scum truly well, and I've noticed it's starting to become a meta tell on myself regarding the level of effort I can put in as town vs scum, which just makes future scum games even more taxing

I love playing scum; scum is the worst and I can't stand how uncomfortable it makes me; scum is the only role I ever want; I pray every time that I won't roll scum.

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Micc could you get down here and do a VC please! We're bored out of our minds!

Also, a VC would be good to really make sure we actually hammered chen this time.

Ninja Edit: I know I don't have to say Ninja every time, but it's kind of fun.

oh, we hammered =P

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We tricked URAP2 guys, lets stop pretending we hammered already and hammer him now

you should probably nk me

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Oh and let this game be a lesson on the value of D1 scum hunting

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Oh and let this game be a lesson on the value of D1 scum hunting

this is to everyone

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NMSA, TTTT, GL are all lock town based on their participation in the fake hammer
ScreamingNoodle is extremely town because of Chenn's slip and behavior surrounding SN wagon
Echo is very town because of his back and forth with chenn early

1 scum in Blastoise, Thespio

and it's thespio at least 80/100 times.

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interesting choice of nk

VOTE: Thespio

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but we aren't rushing this

Aww, why not?

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Echovision - I'm not voting here today (ever?) because of early interaction with chenn. Did not feel like SvS
ScreamingNoodle - Chenn was salivating over the opportunity to get on this wagon. And screamingnoodle didn't even take the time to check a pt much less ask for advice before claiming vt
NMSA - If that fake hammer was an svs gambit, it's pretty damn epic
TTTT - Townie all game, same thing as NMSA regarding fake hammer
GL - Pushed chenn early D1, didn't break up fake hammer even though he was around the thread

Thespio - chainsawed GL early, super scummy around chenn's wagon.

This is it. This is scum. Game is over.

If it's not over, Echo is scum

gg

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@Thespio

Who do you think is the remaining scum?

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I really enjoyed this game and it really showed me how rusty I am in reading people. Thanks all. I am def. signing up for another newbie game.

Awesome to hear!

@Micc thanks for modding mate =P

@Chenn My advise to you would be to

1) slow down, just a little bit, when making your posts so you don't slip
2) don't worry so much about distancing from your partner or who you think is too townie to push. Town is confused. Town is in the dark. You can get away with a lot of things.

I probably have more but I'm still digeting. I think you'll have a good time here if you stick around. And the long deadlines definitely teach patience, but they also allow for both more involved scum hunting, AND more time for scum to help town tie itself into a knot. I don't know what the perfect deadline length is, but this one is worth letting it grow on you a little bit.

@TTTT and GL ya'll played pretty flawlessly tbh

@Every other town player This game was a bit of a struggle for a hot minute because everybody looked scummy. That'll happen on occasion, and some people think looking scummy as town helps their scum games (i'm not a fan of this). But it might be worth the time to skim through your isos and try to see why people thought you were scummy, both for the sake of your town games and scum games. =)

Was lots of fun, would play with all of you again (and I hope to)

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hello guys

just sayin

greeting thread in first post is scum indicative

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@URAP
I mostly want to hear from you if you think any of these newer players are town-telling yet
usually I can pick up an early TR or two on newbies
but I got nothing rn

there is def some lynchbait in this game, mate lol =)

But you caught one scum so gj

p.edit yes, it is. It is exactly that.

or it would have been if I would have stuck to my guns ;P

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Blastoise was a fine kill. He was basically conf town after Chenn

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I just didn't put it together until after game end

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and if you picked blast because of pr hunt, kill was even better.

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FMPOV, the entire SN wagon was a fire drill

We were flailing and needed more for vca

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damn i need to lurk more as scum

but just a little bit more

Keep that confidence in your scum posting. That's how the best here do it ;P

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hello guys

just sayin

greeting thread in first post is scum indicative

what makes you say that?

take a walk through the newbie games in my history if you want to see it for yourself

but i think it has caught or should have caught at least 1 scum in like 5 in a row now or something silly