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Is a second lynch more +ev than a scum directed nk (presumably on obv!town) + a cop check?
p.edit I guess you're still working that out, too.
I think regardless of whether we build consensus on following town's choice, people should probably indicate who they would prefer to have investigated upon mislynch. I nominate hurt tags
I can see no downside to gathering the extra data.
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just like this! good job
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At first I thought maybe Dannflor was pushing xwing to see if they reacted in the same manner they did last game in Mewtaph's mini. I thought it was a weird push given the play here was really similar but figured I'd let it go.
I don't like the reason for the unvote on xwing, it feels like it could be contrived.
The wagon vote on BBmolla for an RVS self-vote is what set me over the edge.
VOTE: Dannflor
Predit: Xwing...nope.
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Care to share with the class?In post 105, 0verki11 wrote:
you already haveIn post 71, BBmolla wrote:
Hopefully I can reveal scumIn post 29, Dannflor wrote:@BBmolla, what are you hoping to get out of self voting in RVS?
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Gotten any reads out of it?In post 125, BBmolla wrote:
for the fun of itIn post 78, Dannflor wrote:@BBMolla, I feel like you might be trying to gain town cred by gambiting that you're willing to be lynched to reveal scum. But if you're town, why would you want to trade your life for the chance of revealing scum vs. going after someone else to start with?
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I'm not sure it was horrid. Let me ask it straight. Have you been reading every post, or have you been skipping around and skimming?
What inspired you to go back and read the thread when you asked PP about his reads list?
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Of course there was. You called BBmolla's vote on Dr Worm bad, you called his vote back on himself bad, and you insinuated that him playing at a slayers gambit of sorts was bad.In post 154, PenguinPower wrote:Was there a reason you asked me that?
This is more than you've given on any other slot, but your vote is still on Micc. I wanted to know how you actually felt about him. I'm still digesting the response, but my initial reaction is that it's fine/slightly +town
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In post 130, PenguinPower wrote:You aren't reading.
yes, you insinuated it. I mean, I guess maybe you weren't insinuating that. But in that case, I'm not sure why it is "fun"In post 131, PenguinPower wrote:What's fun is that you have commented on other stuff after that but still want to bring that up...
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In post 160, Dr Worm wrote:U2 PLZ let DR WORM know when you FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR!!Are you town reading PP, and scum reading Xwing and BBmolla? Are those the extent of your reads?
PAINGWEN GOOD? BB plus XWANG BAAAD?
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U2 has NEEEVER LISTENED to their MUSIC. ;P JOKE LOST ON HIMIn post 164, Dr Worm wrote:THIS WAS DR WORM JOKE about ROCK ROLL BANNED NAME U2!!
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If I misinterpreted your statement, could you please just clarify it?In post 167, PenguinPower wrote:There are several reasons it could be fun.Hydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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Can I take this to mean that I did misinterpret it? That you do not believe it is bad to make the self-vote play and then not read the thread in full?In post 169, PenguinPower wrote:I'm good right now.Hydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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This makes sense to me. I was the one who asked.In post 173, BBmolla wrote:Skimming
You or someone asked me what I learned so I went back to read the things I didn’t notice
But then why is Micc's vote on you horrid? You claimed to be hunting for reactions, but you clearly (and now admittedly) weren't reading the thread very carefully. Do you think it is unlikely that town!micc would scum read you for this? If so, why?
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In post 181, 0verki11 wrote:
I post walls so I can remember shit, its actually more for my benefit that yours.In post 180, PenguinPower wrote:pls no wall...Spoiler: spoiled for space
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What part(s) of this wall post did you put in because you want to remember them later?Hydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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Nah.In post 235, Micc wrote:Can someone sell me on the Dannflor wagon? I think I like it but am having a hard time putting words to why.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: OverKill
I took a day off and reread the thread. I was confbiasing on Dann and U2 talked me out of it. There is a lot of LAMIST coming from OK with basically no reasoning for any of the few stances they have taken.
Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.
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Slaxx and I finally got a chance to compare reads this evening for a couple minutes, so here's where we're at. Apparently I'm in a verbose mood this evening, so I spoiled this monster for your convenience.
Spoiler: Town Reads
Spoiler: Dissonance Reads
Spoiler: Scum Reads
Spoiler: Null Reads
p.edit guess i don't need to do the vote ;PHydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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For someone whose gotten easily offended with my banter in the past you’re being kind of a jerk. Want to elaborate on this at all?In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:
This is an incredibly dumb statement.In post 236, Draco Lucky wrote:Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.
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Overkill was and is at a risk of a lynch and that would literally be text book scum play. Especially under the aloof guise of “I vote a lot of people for wagons”.In post 264, PenguinPower wrote:
Have I played with you before?In post 262, Draco Lucky wrote:
For someone whose gotten easily offended with my banter in the past you’re being kind of a jerk. Want to elaborate on this at all?In post 245, PenguinPower wrote:
This is an incredibly dumb statement.In post 236, Draco Lucky wrote:Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.
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It’s dumb because Overkill was at no risk of a lynch and it would make no sense for me as a scum buddy to vote the next highest wagon in an effort to swing it which is what you’re implying with your comment.Hydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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I'll bet you he flips scum
stakes: loser posts one new thread in GD with title and content of winner's choice. nothing bannableHydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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If it's against the rules I'm sure one of these colored names will tell us.In post 304, Vedith wrote:
Okay!In post 300, Draco Lucky wrote:I'll bet you he flips scum
stakes: loser posts one new thread in GD with title and content of winner's choice. nothing bannable
If we're allowed to do this friendly wager of course.
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srry i fogotIn post 364, u r a person 2 wrote:Over the night Slaxx and I came up with this poe
Micc
Vedith
BBmolla
PP
RC
Micc is our first choice for today
VOTE: Micc
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Who are you talking aboutIn post 351, RadiantCowbells wrote:godfather is a term that was used by his friends one of affection one of respect
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We agree that your play later part of D1 looks a lot like it could be you trying to shift the wagon away from OK and just not getting traction.In post 368, Micc wrote:
The molla wagon is the one I wanted to push the whole time and is still what I keep coming back to. That said vanity wagons are pretty useless in the middle of day 1 as is tunneling. I'm not sure how you're equating me being willing to lock down other reads to being scum.In post 345, Dannflor wrote:End of the day post may not be AI on its own but I still think it's pretty bad considering context. You stayed on your vanity wagon despite saying multiple other wagons were "fine" or "good," and then proceeded to note vote them. I know the wagon went fast, but why did you stay on BBmolla?
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Would you like to talk about any of these or just like nah?
You think we're scum. Who is our partner? Who are you confident is town?
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Who were you talking about in that post? Who is a godfather?In post 376, RadiantCowbells wrote:i doubt it's both of them right now
honestly i think it's draco and micc and they're crossvoting but im less sure on micc
Why are you scum reading us?
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we worked pretty hard on a VCA over the night phase and used it to augment our reads. I'll put together something on our Micc progression.In post 383, Dannflor wrote:Although Draco, reading this back, how did you guys progress from Micc as a pretty strong town so who you want to push today? Why not PP since he was your guys' second scum read?
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We have RC in our PoE, and frankly it would be absurd to not have the 0 post count slot in a poe. We've had him as possible scum by poe since like my first reads list. Not sure why there is confusion here. Are you town reading RC?In post 384, Vedith wrote:
Sure.In post 378, Draco Lucky wrote:Would you like to talk about any of these or just like nah?
You think we're scum. Who is our partner? Who are you confident is town?
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For a start, why is RC Scum? Keeping in mind you obviously spoke about it during the night. You came to the conclusion that a spot that hasn't posted isn't town.
I'm confident that Molla is town.
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How is it a laughing matter?In post 394, Vedith wrote:
It's more of a laughing matter.In post 389, Draco Lucky wrote:We have RC in our PoE, and frankly it would be absurd to not have the 0 post count slot in a poe. We've had him as possible scum by poe since like my first reads list. Not sure why there is confusion here. Are you town reading RC?
So explain to me on all of the town reads. Since you have spent time discussing this.
Did you both agree with each others reads?
Well I don't dislike what RC is saying. Plus, Scum will have to deal with him sooner than later as town so I'm not worried.
Micc - There are a few instances where Micc's posting around Ok's wagon looks sus af. He complains about BBmolla wagon not being a thing, asks for someone to convince him to join the dann wagon right after dann made a super townie post. He also fed OK a softball question about mechanics. There's not much good to offset the bad, either. In 239 he ignored our OK push and instead focused on PP.
PP - Which is actually why we think PP is only likely to be scum if Micc flips town. Outside of that, PP's iso is still not town-indicative, and his position on the wagon and vote hop prior to gettin on OK could def be a bus.
BBmolla - We don't see any reason why BBmolla's naked vote on OK couldn't have been a bus. We actually think it would be pretty lulzy, and not at all impossible for two scum to have bussed OK. If this was the case, and because we don't see PP + Micc as a thing, and because we don't think Xwing or Dann were busses, those two scum would be BBmolla + Micc.
Vedith - vedith's play from xwing's vote up to 220, ignoring the wall and then defending overkill are slightly scum indicative. 241 and 241 are a really weird interaction for scum!OK to have with Scum!Vedith. It's not impossible though. Also off the wagon, and it was pretty obv!scum. Lowest priority target
RC was an empty slot. I haven't analyzed his D2 yet.Hydra of Slaxx and u r a person 2-
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Xwing - First of all slaxx town reads Xwing on play, and I lean town here, too. Also, we really don't see that first slot on the OK wagon being a bus.
Dann - Townier as the day went on. We read him as town, and we think that he is unlikely to make the vote on his partner at that time. Slight exception if his play d1 was to just follow xwing around, and he got on OK as a result of that play, but this is paranoid.
Dr. Worm feels town. His thought processes, where they are evident are townie. Getting reactions from Vedith and PP around the hammer felt town.
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in my first read list I emphasize - repeatedly - how scummy I thought OK was. I was in no way ambiguous. Dann just quoted it for you this evening. Like, hello?In post 410, Vedith wrote:
Why was it pretty obvious?In post 407, Draco Lucky wrote:and it was pretty obv!scum.
At what point in day1 before the lynch do you state or imply it's obvious Scum?
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I'm using bus to mean "voting on a partner's lynch" or "actively working for a partner's lynch"In post 414, PenguinPower wrote:
Do you know the definition of a bus? If I wanted to bus Overkill I would have pushed him in a way that actually made it look like I was not partners with him. If I was partners with Overkill I wouldn't have stayed on the wagon while Mr. Worm (you haven't earned the Dr. yet) was intimating hammering.In post 407, Draco Lucky wrote:PP - Which is actually why we think PP is only likely to be scum if Micc flips town. Outside of that, PP's iso is still not town-indicative, and his position on the wagon and vote hop prior to gettin on OK could def be a bus.
I was ambivalent (as a said, his ISO somewhat matched up a previous scum game, but wasn't enough) when Mr. Worm hammered. You can read those interaction again if you want.
Slaxx can't read me for shit, FYI.
Feel free to correct me, but that's how I'm using the term up until now. I have no reason to take it as certainty that you would have pulled off of OK as scum. I do want to flip Micc first, though, which we think would pretty much clear you if red.
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We had a fairly long discussion, and I am expressing the consensus opinion that resulted.In post 420, Vedith wrote:
Lol wut?In post 411, Draco Lucky wrote:Xwing - First of all slaxx town reads Xwing on play, and I lean town here, too. Also, we really don't see that first slot on the OK wagon being a bus.
Dann - Townier as the day went on. We read him as town, and we think that he is unlikely to make the vote on his partner at that time. Slight exception if his play d1 was to just follow xwing around, and he got on OK as a result of that play, but this is paranoid.
Dr. Worm feels town. His thought processes, where they are evident are townie. Getting reactions from Vedith and PP around the hammer felt town.
So you both had the same reads?
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Great. I'll keep that in mind in the future (though I think voting one's scum partner always implies some intent to distance). Now that you know how I was using the word, you should be able to understand my posts =)In post 426, PenguinPower wrote:
I already did.In post 418, Draco Lucky wrote:Feel free to correct me,
Simply voting your buddy when lynched is not bussing. Especially when Overkill's lynch was somewhat unexpected.
Bussing implies intent to distance.
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Lol even after the hammer i wasn't 100% confident. Who is ever 100% confident? He was obv!scum, though, and I was very confident from my first read list.In post 428, Vedith wrote:
No you didn't.In post 413, Draco Lucky wrote:in my first read list I emphasize - repeatedly - how scummy I thought OK was. I was in no way ambiguous. Dann just quoted it for you this evening. Like, hello?
At no point are you showing 100% confidence that Overkill is Scum until after the hammer.
We had some disagreements but we worked them out in couple's counseling. I'm not going to go through our entire discussion. You have our reads.In post 429, Vedith wrote:
So you didn't agree on reads originally?In post 421, Draco Lucky wrote:We had a fairly long discussion, and I am expressing the consensus opinion that resulted.
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This is terribly inaccurate. And if you want to meta me, you should actually try it. I'm not big on self-defense.In post 433, RadiantCowbells wrote:draco as town would care a lot more about me coming in saying they were my most confident scumread
I do really want to know who you were calling a godfather, though.
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I'm not even sure what you're referring to anymore?In post 431, PenguinPower wrote:
Not necessarily incorrect, but we were some 3 days into the game and I doubt scum thought that was a serious wagon for a lynch.In post 430, Draco Lucky wrote:though I think voting one's scum partner always implies some intent to distance
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Was I though? Back this the fuck up, broIn post 438, Vedith wrote:
But you were 100% confident after the hammer.In post 434, Draco Lucky wrote:Lol even after the hammer i wasn't 100% confident. Who is ever 100% confident? He was obv!scum, though, and I was very confident from my first read list.
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