Open 752: Donner Party [Game Over]

[Vedith]

VOTE: PenguinPower

If PP doesn't claim Scum in the next post he's probably town.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Penguin
You were scum once. That means you're scum again.

I like this thinking.
Has anyone actually ever seen PP as town? I sure haven't!

[Vedith]

Does that mean im not a whirlwind of confusion? \o/

[Vedith]

HELLO I"M DR WORM!! I"M NOT a REAL DR but I am a REAL WORM!!

OMG is that

THE

Dr Worm?!

[Vedith]

TGP reminds me of Allo.

[Vedith]

Ahh, the sweet innocence
of the noob card.

I'm new too can I use the card?

[Vedith]

Chateau is town

[Vedith]

How so?

You don't see a comment for how it's intended.

[Vedith]

Did I do good?

You're the real MVP \o/
You have inspired me!

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Vedith]

PP put me top of his rainbow reads.
You can't fake that shit.

[Vedith]

Ew

[Vedith]

VOTE: Eyes without a face

[Vedith]

PP probably town
Bitter town
Chateau I don't hate

Pers maybe scum
Eyes probably Scum

No one else is relevant to me so far.

[Vedith]

probably has higher percentage chance than maybe tho, imo

This.

[Vedith]

can you explain what you learned? it's time we share each other's reads/thoughts, tbh

You realise PP does that a lot right?

[Vedith]

Infact I've only seen town PP do it to date not Scum PP

[Vedith]

YOU GUYZ use 10,000 words to SAY EASY THINGS!!

This

[Vedith]

Thank you for confirming. Now please explain why.

Why more scummy than Pers? I'll play every Scum game game possible against Pers and suspect him as Scum at least once. It's not unusual at all.
I just feel your play to maybe be less likely of a town play here. Your vote on Texcat was trying to blend in and then comment of someone voting to say ew looked to you appealing directly towards me.
Why should I lynch Texcat today? Or is there a good target for me to go for? Why?

[Vedith]

How/why do you expect me to realize this? I literally said i dont know who the fuck penguin boi is

When I say 'you realise' I mean 'btw'
Mean nothing by it.

[Vedith]

ok do you have reads list?

Not anything other than I already said. But I'll post a full read before end of day 1.
Also no I just got home.

[Vedith]

I'm fine with lynching anyone between : Elsa/Chateau/Eyes for today. Anyone has the same thoughts?

Well you can always join me on eyes, for pressure at least.

[Vedith]

Oh wait you are.

[Vedith]

I guess I'll have to disagree on all 3 suggestions since the 3 of us seem prerry townie, sr.

Why is eyes town?

[Vedith]

Well, you should know I start slow anyway. The only read I stated was scum reading is town (and everytime I type that I get to laugh at the name vs read). I may have some leans on some slots but it's all gut and cannot be justified by any visible measures.

tex posted next to nothing and that kind of play always rubs me the wrong way. I'm coming to realize it's a popular feature on MS though, so I dunno.

I'm happy with the pressure until I change my mind or see something I don't like.
Texcat could be Scum so there's that.

Thoughts on Elsa?

[Vedith]

I feel pressured already. Happy?

Should I join you on Tex?

[Vedith]

Okay \o/
Why?

[Vedith]

I'll think about it.
I'm an opportunist after all.

[Vedith]

VOTE: texcat
I'm sold.

L1 now.

[Vedith]

I mean, the reasons are good.

[Vedith]

I'm a triple voter.

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I dunno if the L-2 is legitimate or not, so I'll wait to vote somewhere. But it seems weird to catch scum so easily within 300 posts.

Maybe 2 in 294 posts.

[Vedith]

VOTE: TexCat

night.

[Vedith]

Tex scum Elsa scum.

[Vedith]

There are never useful reactions from those. It's stupid.

Take that back

[Vedith]

I'm an alt \o/

[Vedith]

PONGWIN SHOULD I DO IT?!?!

You are not worm enough to do it!

[Vedith]

Claim now Dr Worm!

[Vedith]

UNVOTE: Texcat

[Vedith]

My votes still there. count as L1

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Put your vote back and I’ll hammer + role claim since I think I’m dying tonight regardless. You have my reads. I’m thinking even if I am kept alive, I wouldn’t contribute by a lot.

Don't be silly.
Tex can claim, give reads then...

[Vedith]

No CC regardless.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Texcat
There you go it's back to L1.
But given Tex didn't claim when I stated I was still voting there I doubt Tex is ever town here.

[Vedith]

Lol?

[Vedith]

Also last thing: yeah, I do disagree with the hammer so soon, though surprisingly it wasn't from DT or Vedith.

Why is this surprising?

[Vedith]

374 was bothering me as if it was trying to put shade onto me an DT.
I did find Else's play in organised yesterday though which is different to BooneyToonz where they were Scum (I replaced in as Scum after Elsa was killed).

I think I'll 're check that game first to see if the play is similar.
Pers being killed isn't too odd as he's a strong player but Bittersweet wasn't put in the Scum light yesterday so if Scum/SK I'd suspect Elsa killing here as killing Pers doesn't make sense with potential pressure.

[Vedith]

@Vedith: A read lost from you too may help.

Scum reading, chat, PP and DT I like.
So that leaves Worm, face, Elsa and TGP.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Elsa

Elsa who's Scum other than Scum reading?

[Vedith]

By the way, what makes you think PP is town?

Me and PP have a connection. Until I see anything Scum motivated from him I won't Scum read him.
I'd like his thoughts today though as if town we normally have a decent read together on players.

[Vedith]

TGP pings me the hardest atm

I could discuss here. I think my only completed game with TGP was in follow the leader and he was confirmed town to town bit bot to Scum.
His play really outweighed his impact in this game and this looks for TGP to be staying under the radar.

Thoughts?

[Vedith]

Yeah it was a good concept but needed a tweak in the setup.

[Vedith]

But, yes, I think town!TGP is more solvey here.

I fully agree here.
TGP who should I be voting?

[Vedith]

Well geez...easy solve guys.

Everyone who is town, just say so. Mafia and SK are not allowed to lie.

I'm just uhhh popping out.

[Vedith]

i dont understand how you can agree with this

Care to tell me why I'm wrong?

[Vedith]

Okay fair enough.

[Vedith]

PP look me in the eyes!

[Vedith]

I believe \o/

[Vedith]

If you're willing to discuss your reads that would be great.

[Vedith]

Why would you want people under the line to do better if you suspect are likely Scum?
I don't hate your reads though. Scum reading is most likely town though.
Do you have any actual reasons aside from me and scum Reading?
Sell me on TGP.

[Vedith]

Sell TGP to me.

[Vedith]

I don’t like Elsa being on it though

There s 2 styles of Scum. So even if we lynch TGP and flips scum/SK We can still give pressure on Elsa today.

Regardless, I don't think Elsa should make it too far in unless they impress me.

VOTE: TGP

Who's Scum TGP, why should I vote with you?

[Vedith]

vedith is most sus for killing TGP. i do not believe he thinks TGP would 'put in more effort'

Why wouldn't I?
I don't recall having a clear knowledge on any alignment other than my completed game follow the leader.

[Vedith]

Scum reading is most likely town.
If TGP is town Elsa needs to be the lynch tomorrow

[Vedith]

unreal

Disagree

[Vedith]

Where the hell is this coming from?

The town read or the Scum read?
Both have been my opinion all day.

[Vedith]

WTF VEDITH AND SCUM READING VOTES WITH TGP ON ELSA AND 2 PAGES LATER THEY HAMMER TGP, A WAGON ELSA STARTED

You mean in a multi?

You're stretching here by a long a shot.

[Vedith]

it's absolutely not a stretch and you know it

It is a stretch. I voiced today about both Elsa and TGP.

[Vedith]

i dont care if you voiced for Trump's presidency. that theory is definitely not a stretch. it's very logical. doesn't matter if it's multiball. it's definitely a possible scenario. you not being able to see this is because you are not in a town mindset

Okay sure
I'll always vote against or lynch who's Scum. Like I have here

[Vedith]

vigi kill between vedith/SR IMO GLGL

Yeah I'd say between DT and Elsa how they are throwing shade before the flip.

[Vedith]

My vote will be on elsa tomorrow regardless, push me all you want

Yeah I'm with this.

[Vedith]

When did I tunnel on you? I told you to give reads I said come in why with TGP and I voted there.

[Vedith]

this implies that you 'know' TGP will flip town. why did you vote TGP 'thinking' he was scum? then all of a sudden elsa and i come in, and you want to vote elsa tomorrow even when there's a chance that TGP flips scum and elsa started the wagon?

Nope even if Scum or SK I'm okay with it.
You 2 shading is implying you think it's town.

No one s going to know if TGP is scum/sk/town so your comment in not valid.
Keep trying that stretch Mr stretch arm strong \o/

[Vedith]

And I decided. Vig should shoot in me and DT.
If one flips town lynch the other.

Ez.

[Vedith]

Also I checked to see if there was a game I was wrong about TGP that DT couldn't talk about and this was false information.

[Vedith]

Youre not complaining. Youre throwing down shade and talking bollocks.

[Vedith]

false

Well I'd love to hear it when we can 'talk about it because I honestly did not see what you were even implying.

[Vedith]

Youre acting like it's not multi and bussing isn't a thing.
Youre argument is trash.

At least agree that vig shoots me or you and if town lunches the other tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Infact fuck it im so confident that DT is trying to manipulate false information here that I want to be shot by Vig.
Don't take it as anything but a shoot me for info.
Town flip means you all lynch DT tomorrow, if other faction/SK doesn't kill.

[Vedith]

100% lynch DT tomorrow.
I promise Scum here. You can even check though my posts in all to see he trying to manipulate false information.

[Vedith]

if scum reading flips scum can we still lynch you tomorrow

No, vig is on me tonight no backing out now you dug yourself a grave.
After the dance game you should be aware I'm not worried to sacrifice myself to get Scum.

Scum reading I'm telling you now that DT is Scum/SK Make sure on my flip you force the lynch there and don't let him back our of it.

[Vedith]

manipulate false information for you is coming into thread and shit on kids who wrongly hammered too quickly?

ok son

I'm talking about TGP you said there's a game in lying about.
Don't play dumb lol.

[Vedith]

we can talk about that post game. still stand by that statement

Then we honestly see something different.

[Vedith]

Scum reading is town. Delusional to think otherwise.

[Vedith]

PP we should rainbow reads I think.

[Vedith]

Let me get over my miffedness. It lasted throughout the night.

I don't know what that is but I hope you're okay!

[Vedith]

Sounds good

Pedit - oh I thought something was wrong irl

[Vedith]

Vedith u r town?

Of course I am.

[Vedith]

Either role block, SK shot or one of the 3 kills already dead.

[Vedith]

Oh.

[Vedith]

I think he meant IDK

[Vedith]

Okay I believe it.

So why did you it shoot me? You had me as SK or Scum.

[Vedith]

Not*

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I highly doubt Elsa was town.
And unless Scum shot twice it would suggest Elsa was more likely Scum.

So it's most likely 1 v 1 v 4.

A mos lynch means it's lists majority of the time.
A No lynch at the end of the day is probably the best bet here.

All depending on what PP has to offer after our reads.

[Vedith]

Cuz i had scum reading as higher scum read and he had the decisive hammer

I also thoughr you two had high scum team equity, if one is scum, making the other scum

Also i didnt wanna deal with “vedith got killed by vigi so lets lynch dt like he said so” from people

Okay that's fair.
I felt you and Elsa were just shading before a flip had happened.
Pretty sure that Elsa was doing that and wanted Scum reading killed so we would 1 v 1 and they would just try and rifle the fire.

[Vedith]

Yeah the entire posting after the lynch was scummy.

[Vedith]

I'm thinking.

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I think I'm pretty confident in my reads here.
Just need PP for us to compare rainbows \o/

[Vedith]

Okay so let's assume there's 3 left to lynch, to be on the safe side.
From your comment on PP I assume you town read there.
Who's your top 3 Scum choices?

I think Worm, Eyes and Cheatu should say too.

[Vedith]

I think I'm pretty confident in my reads here.
Just need PP for us to compare rainbows \o/

did u have me as scum before i claimed?

From the hammer to the claim I flip floppped a lot on you for different reasons.

[Vedith]

It's more than a "he claimed PR"?

If so, I want to hear it

Okay, so this was my thought process.

The shade made me think Scum before the flip.
The fact you wouldn't accept one being lynched and one vigged made me think Scum.

're reading I still had you in my top 3 Scum less scummy than Elsa but more than X.

I guessed as Scum/SK you might try and kill me encase I tunnels you the next day. When I wasn't killed I suspected not.

Then when you claimed to have info I expected you trying to claim the checking role and was going to try and take claim against me meaning you were Scum and there were 2 left.

Then your claim made sense to what you said to me.

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I tried that and the game just went slow.
Shit posting actually helps push A game forward imo.
I get more serious later in the game as any align.

[Vedith]

One chance to claim it's reaction or I lynch you.

[Vedith]

So my guess is Eyes is mafia and Elsa wasnt.
Probably killed the checker and therefore pushing for a mis lynch.

Placing PP and Scum with me as Eyes is shot tonight regardless keeps PP looking town.

Scum is Eyes and PP and Worm is SK.

I solved it \o/

VOTE: Eyes

[Vedith]

Nice try.

I'm pretty confident I'm right here.
Lynch Eyes if I'm lying then shoot or lynch me doesn't matter.

Either way lynching Eyes here gives better chance to town. And then lynch who ever is alive in PP and Worm.

[Vedith]

Well...I'm also not scum. So...

I was wondering why you were putting the rainbow reads off even when posting.

[Vedith]

So, vote Vedith and let Mafia/SK/Vig settle things between them at night. RB knows where NOT to block tonight, so scum will need to eat me AND DT. Problem is they can't organize with eah other or they out themselves to each other. If vedith is SK then Mafia can't eat us both.

Unlucky. Take it as learning not to false on me

[Vedith]

why are you trying to lynch uncc'ed dietician?

The setup rules out unCC.
If both Mafia are alive and killed a PR best option is to take claim for a lynch.
If there's a Roleblocker name your target.

[Vedith]

Also this rules me out of mafia but not SK.

[Vedith]

My expectations were spot on, just not done by DT.
Also PP was hinting at a power maybe waiting for Eyes to come on.

[Vedith]

I also think I need to reval somethings...

You are in my town pool until I complete my reval - which should include whatever information you have to out.

Note - I'm not going to say anything more after my reval until Vedith and I do our rainbow reads. Otherwise, it defeats the point.

This is PP ready to claim a PR but I assume they felt he would stand more of a chance than Eyes to not be killed or lynched.

[Vedith]

Hey come on, both PP and Eyes were just here.
Where you go?

[Vedith]

For a false read push on me.

I'm helping \o/

[Vedith]

Lynch Eyes
DT shoot PP
Worm kills whoever
Lynch worm.

Game is actually solved.

[Vedith]

Because I town read Chateau?

And I mean the result that Eyes said. What?

[Vedith]

If I was Scum or SK I avoid speaking with you and Elsa after hammer not provoke a check or block on me.

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The 4 people posting was me you Scum reading and Elsa.
Worm chimed in and agreed to check in me and you.

I'm never wrong here in any universe given how PP was posting earlier.

[Vedith]

Were

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you refused to apply the same logic to me and kept vouching for a thunderdome with me

You initiated it though. So it's different to what I'm saying.

[Vedith]

what does chateau have to warrant a town read

I just strong town read him from how he's played. He was my strongest town read coming into the day.

The proof is strong enough to know I'm 100% right here.

[Vedith]

yeah, PP. what do you mean what made me think you are a PR.

what did you need to reveal

I said "reval" not "reveal." As in, re-evaluate.

You're entire posting at the start suggested more. "Im not saying anything else until we do our reads".
That's why you wanted to delay the reads.

You know better than to try and push on me like that.
We're still best friends though <3

[Vedith]

Um...this was me saying that I need to revaluate my reads based on eod yesterday and outing anything prior to our rainbow reads would defeat the point of the rainbow reads....not hinting PR at all...soo.....

Keep going with that.
The fact that Eyes is saying your Scum too is even enough for me. Keep that distance.

[Vedith]

Vedith \o/
Vedith \o/
Vedith \o/

I can hear the dead PT now.

[Vedith]

Sorry PP you die!
I know well enough you sneaky little bugger!

[Vedith]

Showing your hand my friend

[Vedith]

Because worm is SK...
Eyes goodbye. Nice try.

Both turn back up together after discuss in PT

[Vedith]

DT do the hammer sir.
Either me or Eyes. Then kill PP or Eyes tonight depending.

[Vedith]

If im lynched
You kill Eyes
RB if alive on either PP or Eyes

If you get logical Scum
Shoot PP and PP gets blocked.

Easy peasy

[Vedith]

Math is hard. \o/

[Vedith]

what if there is no RB

Then lynching me probably loses town the game so it doesn't matter.

[Vedith]

Or even Worm.
Although I don't think Worm will want both Scum killed by tomorrow.

[Vedith]

then i kill PP at night and worm is roleblocked hopefully and its all good

SK has 1 shot role block though so unless already blocked...

[Vedith]

do we still lose if we dont have RB but manage to lynch scum!eyes?

It's plausible but depends on the kills.
Eyes killed.
PP shoots me (or maybe not if he thinks I'm actually SK) and SK shoots in town or PP.

So either leaving 2 v 1 or 1 v 1 and lost I guess.

[Vedith]

Lynch on me means SK kills town I think and you kill Eyes.
Leaving 1 v 1 v 1
With role blocked work

Or Scum having kill go through or no role blocked means that Scum go for SK regardless if already tried.

[Vedith]

So tomorrow the town is king maker.
With Eyes lynched it's at least 3p chance.

But that's from my perspective only

[Vedith]

There's no reason to ever call out like that if solo Mafia for Eyes.
Maybe if he knows checker is out and SK and believes me Scum but I think it's too much of a risk.

In that situation I don't think it matters who you lynch anyway as town are in favour

[Vedith]

The goal is beneficial for for both Mafia and town to go to 3p option or better with town advantage.
SK beneficial is for it to turn into a 1v1v1 and hope king maker picks them.

[Vedith]

My head hurts

[Vedith]

So I can only be Mafia not SK, Eyes?

[Vedith]

I know, but Eyes has confirmed me as Mafia not SK.
When my play if not town would point to SK over Mafia.

I wanted to see if it was a slip but you posted.

[Vedith]

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Point proven. Worm no want to have both Scum killed \o/

[Vedith]

Lynch should always be in me and Eyes.
Eyes claims guilty
I claim liar.

[Vedith]

lets compromise and lynch PP

How is that a compromise?

What a dumb thought.

Don't worry friend you can be pew pew to death \o/

[Vedith]

I would love to be Scum with PP. We could rainbow reads allllll day

[Vedith]

what happenes if we have a 3 - 3 situation? no lynch?

SK has to kill in PP or Eyes
Mafia kill in town

2 v 1 v 1 and Scum team revealed.

So I guess town loss

[Vedith]

Other option is lynch the SK worm

[Vedith]

what happenes if we have a 3 - 3 situation? no lynch?

SK has to kill in PP or Eyes
Mafia kill in town

2 v 1 v 1 and Scum team revealed.

So I guess town loss

Wait I got wrong

[Vedith]

Kill from DT on Scum makes 2 v 1.

Lynching Worm means 5 v 2
DT shoot Mafia and Mafia town.

3 v 1

[Vedith]

Dr Worm we can still be good friends but your time is up too! \o/

[Vedith]

VADETH SOLVE FROM POV OF VADETH AND WORM TROWN IF YOU CAN??

Well that would be
Eyes SK and believes I'm Scum.
You town
DT town
Me town
And Chatue town
PP Scum. I guess with Elsa

But I don't think so

[Vedith]

You
But we still friends. After game you and PP go sorry Vedith for voting you!

[Vedith]

[Vedith]

Vedith is good, yes. His flip on and tying me to Eyes is what makes me want to trust Eyes.

This suggests that PP sees me as town and Eyes as Scum/SK with the claim and because I called him Scum with Eyes that is only proven on Eyes being lynched, his opinion changed.
Sums it all up \o/

[Vedith]

Yeah, because I called you Scum.
Not the false claim or anything else.

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[Vedith]

Nice slip \o/

[Vedith]

Eyes.

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PP stronger than me but I can open a jar of pickles. \o/

[Vedith]

What do on expect me to say?
It was a terrible question that I wouldn't be able to answer.

[Vedith]

there are players i would be able to admit are definitely of a higher caliber than i am. was wondering if you two had such relationship because one is playing significantly worse than the other and might actually affect my read

I have a low win rate and high lynched rate, which I'm okay with as games are just fun.
Im not in a position to say I'm a better player than anyone.

My Scum game is much stronger than my town game imo.
Im more likely to talk my way out of a lynch as scum. So there's that.

[Vedith]

TROWN
WORM
EYESFACENOPE
DOUBTYTOM

SCUM
VADETH
CHATOO

SK
PONGWIN

OR 1 SCUM DEAD!!

BEST GUESSES!!

How do you cannibal us human so well!?

[Vedith]

Pp, you are worse than someone who has a low win rate anf high mislynch rate?

PP is a really friendly player. Regardless here he says I'm a stronger player as a NAI comment because he doesn't want to hurt my feelings \o/

What a nice person PP is!
Shame you're Scum

[Vedith]

Ive led town in terms of general direction and game flow before but ive never made the game deciding decision like it is looking like i would need to here

Congrats guys u guys are going to spectate a historical moment for me to be a hero or a zero

Even if it causes us to lose the game.
You are a hero for trying \o/

[Vedith]

DT you not only make me laugh but you challenge me on an intellectual level.
You are the strongest, bravest and most smartest player ever. \o/

[Vedith]

Now vote with me

[Vedith]

I think you all did great and I'm proud to be all of your friends.
GG SK.

Thanks for modding I like the setup but I think I'd go crazy as town and knowing the flips.

\o/

[Vedith]

Eyes I think you did great btw \o/