Open 748: Jungle Republic - Over!

[Auro]

You were pressured to hammer no-lynch to look town. You had an epiphany that town would always advocate for no-lynch and you hopped on the wagon? Took you 40 posts, damn. You even struggled to give statistics and everything and value the risk versus reward when you could’ve just gone for no risk and high reward. That’s townie perspective, except you’re ww, pushing on inactive slots, cuz that’s where scum thrive, being opportunistic.

I already defended against this, from both angles.

1. I didn't take into account the seer results; and I still believe that in the absence of seer a lynch is, on an average, better for town in that gamestate. I gave my reasons for this.
2. The benefit of pushing for a mislynch that aggressively if it's anti-town doesn't outweigh the risks. Being vocally against a NL and causing a ML leads to me being checked and/or lynched the following day; scum would thrive on coasting in this gamestate (till attacked).

Also, it's not just the inactivity - McQueen's posts when he posted were scummy, and the quickwagon implying you're not Maf is strong objective evidence, and the PoE is strong as well.

[Auro]

just PoE that he didn’t have access to day one when he was pushing, otherwise that would be cheating or getting extremely lucky

Um, sometimes inactive slots *can* roll scum though.
McQueen didn't flake - he was active in all other places but this one, that was enough to ping my scumdar.

Also you can't dismiss it as "just PoE", the PoE is entirely valid.

[Auro]

You guys have to vote between me and auro, we’re the ww slots that are the safest to lynch at the moment.

I'm trying real hard to see that coming from a town mindset.

[Egix96]

You guys have to vote between me and auro, we’re the ww slots that are the safest to lynch at the moment. It’s clear that the discrepancy is between us. You have to take that 50/50. You can’t rely on seer because she’ll die tonight most likely. The second werewolf is doing a really great job at staying under the radar though, I give them props. I’m interested to see what you come up with as a second werewolf accusation. Your only shot is this one, the other werewolf is playing really good, I couldn’t figure out a thing, but this no-lynch case I have against auro is definitely way better than whatever case he has against me, which he didn’t mention, just PoE that he didn’t have access to day one when he was pushing, otherwise that would be cheating or getting extremely lucky

Auro is very unlikely to be a WW IMO.
You trying to paint him as one is disingenuous.

VOTE: scum reading

Other wolf is either A50 or BuJ

pedit: ^this guy knows what's up

[brassherald]

What if it's Scum Reading and Auro because that gave me real SvS vibes.

Ugh... I hate that this is actually the right move

VOTE: scum reading

[scum reading]

It’s a 50/50 shot, I don’t mind, worst case scenario this is a TvT, in which case we lose. Why is it not townie? Again, misdirection. It’s a reality, it’s not something scum would say. I want people who disagree to point out a second ww and say how strongly their read them as werewolf. It’s clear that the discrepancy is here, there was a scum on the no-lynch d2, A50 is town and is really good with statistics and he wasn’t reluctant to share them or to manipulate them in any way. Brassherald is confirmed not ww and seems townie in my opinion, he also voted for no-lynch. Roster was the first no lynch voter, the only thing that makes me second guess myself is that when he votes, bambi follows up and says “Mafia agrees”, it might just be me being paranoid. If you consider I’m a safer lynch than someone who goes full counter-intuitive and confidently advocates for anti no-lynch and then is becoming suspicious so he has to hammer, otherwise he’d look scummy, go ahead. I understand this slot being pushed since day one is suspicious, but I’m not the same person as mcqueen. You have to listen to scum reading, not to mcqueen. I presented solid evidence, stating facts isn’t scummy by the way, I made town more aware that it is better for them, statistically speaking, to take a 50/50 shot then to look for the needle in the haystack.

Auro, I have one question though, who do you think mafia would have to lynch to have a chance at winning, in your opinion?

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

scum reading are you town

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

dont beat around the bush just answer my question

[scum reading]

scum reading are you town

I promise I’m town. I even read the thread ffs, you made me waste 1 hour and 30 minutes of my life for nothing. If I were scum, I would just have my werewolf partner tell me who to push and I’d be off the radar. Instead I am trying to lead town to victory, but it is hard given that mcqueen was always pushed by auro and people already have a town read formed on auro, just because mcqueen was afk for the whole game and somehow that makes him sus.

[scum reading]

It’s a 50/50 shot, I don’t mind, worst case scenario this is a TvT, in which case we lose. Why is it not townie? Again, misdirection. It’s a reality, it’s not something scum would say. I want people who disagree to point out a second ww and say how strongly their read them as werewolf. It’s clear that the discrepancy is here, there was a scum on the no-lynch d2, A50 is town and is really good with statistics and he wasn’t reluctant to share them or to manipulate them in any way. Brassherald is confirmed not ww and seems townie in my opinion, he also voted for no-lynch. Roster was the first no lynch voter, the only thing that makes me second guess myself is that when he votes, bambi follows up and says “Mafia agrees”, it might just be me being paranoid. If you consider I’m a safer lynch than someone who goes full counter-intuitive and confidently advocates for anti no-lynch and then is becoming suspicious so he has to hammer, otherwise he’d look scummy, go ahead. I understand this slot being pushed since day one is suspicious, but I’m not the same person as mcqueen. You have to listen to scum reading, not to mcqueen. I presented solid evidence, stating facts isn’t scummy by the way, I made town more aware that it is better for them, statistically speaking, to take a 50/50 shot then to look for the needle in the haystack.

Auro, I have one question though, who do you think mafia would have to lynch to have a chance at winning, in your opinion?

Checking back on this, seer was not on no-lynch either, which would make my theory on roster valid. I believe he’s maf.

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

i made no accusations

[scum reading]

In a setup like this, at a moment like this, you’d honestly believe a newcomer to be as vocal as I am rn being scum? Let’s be real, even if you stick to the meta I don’t come close to being scum. If I had a ww partner, don’t you think they’d want to divert attention at least a little bit from me? This never happened.

By the way, you have 2 people from the compromised no-lynch squad with 2 scums on it voting me. Keeping you updated.

[scum reading]

i made no accusations

Am aware

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

scum reading are you town

I promise I’m town. I even read the thread ffs, you made me waste 1 hour and 30 minutes of my life for nothing. If I were scum, I would just have my werewolf partner tell me who to push and I’d be off the radar. Instead I am trying to lead town to victory, but it is hard given that mcqueen was always pushed by auro and people already have a town read formed on auro, just because mcqueen was afk for the whole game and somehow that makes him sus.

who is "you" then?

[scum reading]

The people that said go back to read everything, that would be auro and a few others, wasn’t intended at you, I’m probably just a bit mad, not upset though

[scum reading]

Is it 5 votes majority by the way? If so, before you guys hammer me, I have another theory that I’d like you to hear

[scum reading]

Is it 5 votes majority by the way? If so, before you guys hammer me, I have another theory that I’d like you to hear

Can anyone answer this?

[brassherald]

5 being a majority is how counting works...

[Almost50]

If I were scum, I would just have my werewolf partner tell me who to push and I’d be off the radar.

Trying to decide whether this is a genuine town slip or if it is an attempt to fake one.

[Almost50]

Checking back on this, seer was not on no-lynch either, which would make my theory on roster valid. I believe he’s maf.

If this is true then my reads this game have been shittier than they have ever been before. The only good read I had so far was that on Vedith.

[Almost50]

If I had a ww partner

Why are you persistent on denying "WW" and not "Scum" in general? THis is the second time you refer to your "WW partner".

[ajfefijsleifjsa]

5 being a majority is how counting works...

dont be an ass

[scum reading]

If I had a ww partner

Why are you persistent on denying "WW" and not "Scum" in general? THis is the second time you refer to your "WW partner".

I find posts like this irrelevant, ww, scum, word choice doesn’t matter. I believe I used both. Overall idea is what matters. Finding loopholes in word choice shouldn’t be a priority..This is what benefits scums, you picking on useless things. I suggest townies should at least remove their votes until you are 100% sure you want to lynch me. Shouldn’t take long for mafia to capitalize on this and vote me, so don’t give them the opportunity.

[brassherald]

5 being a majority is how counting works...

dont be an ass

I can't help it.

[scum reading]

Checking back on this, seer was not on no-lynch either, which would make my theory on roster valid. I believe he’s maf.

If this is true then my reads this game have been shittier than they have ever been before. The only good read I had so far was that on Vedith.

It is, you can check it if you don’t believe me