Mini 2057: Year 2057 (Game Over)

[DrDolittle]

His willingness to be lynched is NAI

[chennisden]

Vedith you may not be the lynch today. My vote is still on Hopkirk.

[xwing]

im fine with a hop lynch..
ddl, why is vedith strong town for you?

[DrDolittle]

Vedith lit dragged yumeko out of traitorhood, and he has not noticeably pinged town?

[Vedith]

I got half way through my post yesterday, I'll finish it tonight after work.

[chennisden]

Vedith lit dragged yumeko out of traitorhood, and he has not noticeably pinged town?

and this is why my vote still hasn't moved to ved

[chennisden]

I don't like Ved's initial defending of Lich though. Seems very sketchy (such as saying he's locktown and throwing shade at his reason by saying he's doing it to spite RC)

[Vedith]

Day 1

TemporalLich

(7):

RadiantCowbells

(77), ssbm_Kyouko (90),

Lovebird

(92),

Dannflor

(294), xwing (356), Hopkirk (446),

Gamma Emerald

(502)

Radiant Cowbells

(2):

Yumeko Jabami

(247),

TemporalLich

(303)
Hopkirk (1):

Mary Saotome

(254)
DrDolittle(1):

Emperor flippyNips

(157)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Vedith (104)

Yumeko Jabami

(1): DrDolittle (278)

Players reads

Dead
Dann - Nips town / TL scum 79 Gamma scum 235 SSBM town / Yumeko scumlean / DDL scum lean / Lovebird scum lean (but a lot less?) 403 Vedith Town lean 472
Lovebird - Mary town 228 Nips / SSBM / Yumeko town? 233 Xwing town 419
Mary - Dann scum 112 Nips / Vedith town 118 Hop scum 254 Gamma / DDL scum lean [/post]255[/post] Xwing town 475
RC - TL scum 77 Vedith town lean / Yumeko scum 259 Xwing / Lovebird 421
Nipps - SSBM / Hopkirk / Gamma / TL scum lean Dann / Yumeko town lean 145 DDL scum lean 157
Gamma - Yumeko scum 283 Hopkirk / Mary town lean 284 Vedith Town lean 445

Scum
TL - Lovebird town lean 83 Dann / DDL / Gamma scum lean 161 RC scum 303 Nips Gamma scum lean 495
Yumeko - DDL scum lean 37 RC scum 247 TL town? 320

Alive
SSBM - TL scum 90 Hopkirk scum 198 Nips/Dann town 220 RC town 342
Hopkirk - Lovebird town lean 139 Gamma / Lich scum lean 140
Xwing - Dann town / Vedith scum / RC town Lich scum 267 Mary town 272 SSBM town / DDL town 297 RC/Vedith town 461
DDL - SSBM town 276 Yumeko scum [ppost]278[/post]

The Dann kill only favours DDL going by these kills, but I'm assuming it was a kill from being stronger player and not being scum read.
Yumeko was pushing DDL as scum, although short (only 4 posts by Yumeko day 1) I don't see Yumeko ever doing this while also defending TL.
SSBM is on early to the TL wagon and has strong attitude to lynching there.
Xwing showed that they were going to be voting there and did after realising the VC. The questioning on me calling TL town is a huge town tell too.
Hopkirk looks to be showing interest in TL lynch but trying else where. The time he votes to put to L1 he says to hammer for town points which is pretty LAMIST 446
DDL voting Yumeko could be because they he doesn't realise Yumeko is traitor.

The part that stands out the most is this

If Lich were scum, I'd suspect his buddies would be trying to help him out here

As the miller claim was most likely to make the scum aware, it looks like a comment to try and shade off the wagon if it comes to it.

Day 2

Yumeko Jabami

(6): Vedith (555), xwing (560), DrDolittle (602),

Lovebird

(619),

Emperor flippyNips

(621),

Yumeko Jabami

(624)

Gamma Emerald

(1): Hopkirk (508)

Lovebird

(1):

Gamma Emerald

(615)
Not Voting (3): ssbm_Kyouko,

Mary Saotome

,

RadiantCowbells

Player reads

Dead
Lovebird - Gama scum 519 Hopkirk scum lean 520 Nips/xwing/Vedith/SSBM/DDL/RC town 603
Mary - N/A
RC - xwing strong town / Lovebird town / Vedith Gamma town lean 569 Mary scum 586
Nips - N/A
Gamma - Lovebird scum 615

Scum
Yumeko - RC town / SSBM town / xwing town / Lovebird town / Hopkirk town / Vedith scum 573

Alive
Chen - Not in game yet
xwing - Yumeko / Hopkirk scum read / Vedith town? SSBM town 549
DDL - Hopkirk scum 509
Hopkirk - Mary / Gamma scum 508 Yumeko scum lean 512

So a few things to take into day 2. The position that xwing takes on the wagon is always a plus. Listened to both me and RC and and didn't push away from it.
I also had 2 comments stick from day 2 which were

i choose yumeko as the scummier one (i explicitly said i think vedith is annoying town)..seems a lot of fluff..vedith seems genuine in his frustration, i felt a bit bad for him when he threw in the towel on defending lich..

As scum there's no reason to say this, and just instead ignore the matter all together or even shade it.

hey vedith you think it's a an informed goon that's why?

This comment from DDL doesn't make sense as scum. Unless he was trying to mis lead me into saying something, bringing up a role that states when flipped as your team means most likely not scum.

Hopkirk doesn't join the wagon, but it's NAI imo dure the how short the day was.
DDL jumps on pretty early, again a strong possition and having another scum lynched day 2 would basically mean it's over for scum.
Chen wasn't in the game day 2 NAI

My next point is about the town list Yumeko gave. Yumeko was probably suspecting their post to get me focus or lynched so I think the final scum would be called town here.
The 3 players are SSBM / xwing and Hopkirk. DDL isn't added and going by day 1, I'm not sure why Yumeko ever does this. DDL should be considered very strong town with this.

The kill on Lovebird favours Hopkirk here as an overall.

Day 3

Mary Saotome

(5): xwing (640), hopkirk (661),

Mary Saotome

(710),

RadiantCowbells

(711), Chennisden (730),

Not Voting (4):

Emperor Flippynips

, Vedith, DrDolittle,

Gamma Emerald

,

Player reads

Dead
Mary - nips/xwing/Vedith/DDL town / Hopkirk/Chen/Gamma/RC scum (in order) 649 Changed to nips/xwing/Gamma/DDL town / Hopkirk/Chen/Vedith/RC scum (in order) 713
RC - Mary scum 664 Chen scum lean 715 Vedith/DDL scum lean 717
Nips - N/A
Gamma - N/A

Alive
Chen - Mary scum 669
xwing - N/A
DDL - Mary scum 635
Hopkirk - Mary scum 723

I don't take too much from Day 3 other than I like Chen's entrance and DDL voting/unvoting on Mary looks town thinking.
The kill on RC makes sense from any side and I don't see it as Chen making the kill to not be the lynch.

Day 4

Gamma Emerald

(4): Hopkirk (745), chennisden (798), Vedith (803), DrDolittle (804)
chennisden (1): Gamma Emerald (800)

Not Voting (2): xwing,

Emperor flippyNips

Player reads

Dead
Nips - Hopkirk scum 763
Gamma - Hopkirk scum lean 789 DDL town lean 779 Chen scum? 808

Alive
Chen - Gamma scum 783
xwing - Chen town Hopkirk/Gamma scum lean 746 Vedith town DDL/Chen town lean? 747
DDL - Gamma scum 774 Hopkirk scum lean 787
Hopkirk - Gamma scum 748 DDL / Vedith scum lean 755

The nips kill favours Hopkirk as scum here, as it's mild enough I guess not to be a setup compared to Chen/RC.
Not really anything that stands out to me for day 4

I now have the following reads.

DDL

- DDL actually looks to be a locktown for me now. I would have expected him to at least shade today when others were. He's been consistent all game, Yumeko was pushing him as scum and excluded from the town list. The only night kills that suit DDL scum would be Dann, although not very likely, because even if suspected a PR DDL would not have been the check/visit majority of the time. RC kill, but that benefits everyone. Lovebird had DDL as town, a kill here is worthless and Nips never had DDL as scum, but instead looking at Hopkirk.

xwing

- This is my second town lock. voting has been 100% pro town. The pushing and questioning look fully town motivated and again, the only kill that makes sense from xwing would be RC, which suits everyone imo. As pointed out above I don't think xwing ever calls me town for me pushing TL as town.

Chen

- Although I argue killing RC is good for anyone as scum, Chen killing RC just means most likely lynched anyway. Even more so with Mary's lynch order as RC could have just gone against that. I think strong posting and both Dann and Lovebird had SSBM as town.

Hopkirk

- Hopkirk is scum here. The TL vote was late and played off as a town move by himself. Both Lovebird and nips pinned him as scum potential. In fact, majority of players other than TL and Yumeko have had Hopkirk suspected as scum and have been lynched or NK. Pushing DDL as scum and mainly from POE while trying to shade onto me and Chen. Scum don't want to go to LyLo with town read potential because it limits them to vote or make a reason.

For Chen posting about me not voting my team mate, I've just had to use this as an example a few days ago, but here are my last 5 scum games minus a solo scum game and one I recently finished where it had hidden mechanics.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=73108

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72847

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72441

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=72196

You shouldn't see me not voting scum as a scum tell.
I am known for bussing/lynching my own team mates and even day killed my scum buddy in the past for town credit.
I'm also never going to out myself day 1 to a game where RC is town. RC knows how I play and this is why he town read me, just didn't like how I acted day 1.

I've changed my mind after reading all of this and I don't want to be the lynch.
Hopkirk is the scum here and majority of players have seen this.

If I've missed off any reads or posted wrong, feel free to let me know but I have read the entire game over twice and each persons ISO individually.

VOTE: Hopkirk

[xwing]

ddl, what do you think?

i think im fine with the hop lynch..
i might be busy tom though so i might not be able to post much..but consider this post as a vote in spirit when you do vca later just in case hop is town..

hop is at L-1

chen, what do you think of ddl's hammer on gamma with no claim?

[DrDolittle]

I'mma hammer again with no claim tbh

[DrDolittle]

Thanks for the reads vedith! I agree with your xwing read, but have some reservations to chennis. But I think a hopkirk vote should be game.

VOTE: hopkirk

Let's see some flips

[Slaxx]

Votecount 5.02

Future Fun Fact: Who writes these anyway?

Hopkirk (3):

chennisden, Vedith, DrDolittle

Not Voting (2)

xwing, Hopkirk

Night 5 deadline is in 48 hours.[/color]

Hopkirk,

Vanilla Townie

, lynched Day 5.

[Slaxx]

Votecount 6.01

Future Fun Fact: Future future future

Not Voting (3)

Chennisden, Vedith, DrDolittle

Day 6 deadline is in 8 Days.[/color]

Xwing,

Vanilla Townie

, killed Night 6.

[DrDolittle]

i got some bad news

[DrDolittle]

wonder if i should just extend the day to get more future fun facts

[DrDolittle]

probably unsportsman like tho

[DrDolittle]

anyways, I'm mason with ssbm/chennis
VOTE: vedith
you definitely fooled me for the whole game, vedith

[DrDolittle]

but i guess nothing beats solves via pure mechanics, eh?

[DrDolittle]

i have to say, digging your traitor out for a lynch rather than a save is a v interesting play.

[Vedith]

Nice gambit there.
So I'm a 1shot BP and unless Chen was a vig which o doubt that clears me as confirmed town alone.

VOTE: DDL

[Vedith]

I'll mark this down as another game I get DDLs read wrong \o/

[DrDolittle]

mfw vedith also wants to see more future fun facts.

@mod request vote count

[Vedith]

mfw when we win on a DDL lynch \o/

[DrDolittle]

true statement since your "we" = {Vedith, TL, Yumeko} \o/

[Vedith]

I give you an A for effort here DDL.