Mini Normal 2067: Musicals [Endgame]

[Vorkuta]

High quality counter right there.
I mean Fus- while yes, you do get town points for calling out inactive slots and getting them to play, you don't answer questions, and your ISO is filler.

inb4 what questions haven't I answered!!!11!

baezu is town because of why they interact, not how or where.


Reading player intentions will go farther than meta or 'dumb' reading interactions

What do you mean by why I interact?

[Fuscosco]

Hunh.

it wasn't a counter I'm not doing any serious reading

[Fuscosco]

Im trying to generate a world on my comp, not read mafia

[Baezu]

I can get behind a volxen wagon- that slot didn’t even do anything when it was cbynumber

VOTE: volxen

[Something_Smart]

Cbynumber did feel pretty genuine though. And I don't think doing nothing is really scum indicative...?

[Slaxx]

Cbynumber did feel pretty genuine though. And I don't think doing nothing is really scum indicative...?

That’s definitely the position I’d take if I were you:

[RCEnigma]

Lol I'm starting to like slaxx.

[Something_Smart]

Lmao shots fired sir.

Nevertheless, I resent having my activity compared to that of volxen's slot.

[Slaxx]

I actually kind of like SSs reaction to that.

[RCEnigma]

I'm starting to like slaxx less.

[Baezu]

RCE you funny!

[volxen]

@Slaxx These were the posts from SIV I was referring to:

I’m happy considering SS, ausuka and especially umlaut towny for now

In other news, methinks hitalt is seeming pretty scummy

I agree. I've noted a number of red flags coming from hitalt more than other players.

My previous vote was RVS, and lately, RCEnigma level of detail and transparency is making me town-read him (63). Ausuka's commitment to scum-searching seems genuine to me.

I have a slight suspicion on S_S however. Contrary to Umlaut's thinking that S_S and hitalt couldn't be together, I think it's plausible that they are. Mafia could also be putting in extra effort to make it seem that they are not on the same team, and would probably work on that right from the beginning of the game. But, I'm also a newbie compared to you guys, you know each other a lot better than I.

@HitAlt: Do you have any suspicions on anybody?

Mentioning "red flags" but not saying what they are is concerning, and some of the language in his post like "Mafia could also be putting in extra effort to make it seem that they are not on the same team" seems a bit off.

I've noted a number of red flags coming from hitalt more than other players.

What are these red flags?

Below is what I had noted at the time. For some reason, I thought I had more.

@Fuscosco - are you an alt, or new on site?

Might help me understand you better

.

I would have probably looked over this easily, but then HitAlt tacks on at the end "It might help me understand you better", which struck a LAMIST chord with me. A normal town seeking to understand someone's previous identity wouldn't try steering the town's perception that it's a scum-hunting intent.

Btw, I have seen Something_Smart both as scum and as town before, and I have to admit that I can not read their tone correctly. Ever.

I haven't played this game very often, but from what I've observed so far, town-players tend to fall prey to a dunning-kruger effect. I'm suspecting that if a town player has a lot of information on someone, their confidence in their read would be really high. Having a low confidence read like above really doesn't make sense to me.
(maybe i'm reading too far into this one.)

I’m confused here. He self-voted in response to someone making what was really an NAI play?

If I understood him correctly, he means that S_S selfvoted as scum in a

This is a personal quirky read, so I apologize if this read seems really weak.

Alchemist was drilling RCE that question. HitAlt wooshes in offering a helpful answer of his own. In my experience, I keep confirming scum wooshing in to other people's Q+A's.

It's hard for me to empathize with this because as town, I see the importance of people sticking up for themselves above anything. Because answers to these questions provide a lot of information. When mafia wooshes in, it seems like they want more spotlight on them so they can clear their name. Maybe there's a slight buddying bent in there also.

Some of the language here like "which struck a LAMIST chord with me" seems off, like he's trying too hard to call HitAlt "LAMIST". And I don't think HitAlt saying "Might help me to understand you better" is really LAMIST at all. And the part about townies only having "high confidence reads" doesn't make sense. I think he also made a big deal of HitAlt "wooshing in" to answer a very basic question that Alchemist asked to RCE about Something_Smart. Yes RCE could have answered the question himself, but it was such a simple question, so I don't see why he thought it was scummy that HitAlt answered it.

You were also the fifth voter to join Baezu's wagon and put her up to L-2, and I don't think it's likely that her wagon was all-town if she is town:

VC 1.06

King of New York - Newsies

votes

[5] Baezu

:

Alchemist21 107 Vorkuta 112, HitAlt 122, Ausuka 168, Slaxx 424

[1] Vorkuta

:

cbynumber 14

[1] Ausuka

:

Baezu 222

[1] Slaxx

:

RCEnigma 96

[1] Something_Smart

:

Something_Smart 7

[3] Not Voting

:

Flavor Leaf 250, Umlaut 272, Fuscosco 377

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

The Day 1 deadline is in

: (expired on 2019-04-09 19:50:20)

Mod Notes

: cbynumber has been prodded.

[volxen]

I can get behind a volxen wagon- that slot didn’t even do anything when it was cbynumber

VOTE: volxen

Do you have any interest in engaging with me or are you just writing me off as scum?

[Slaxx]

I'm starting to like slaxx less.

You’re a fickle fickle guy.

[Slaxx]

What’s the fifth vote stuff about Volxen?

You seem to be dancing around calling me scum. If that’s your read, own it.

[volxen]

@Slaxx, You have Ausuka as a strong townread. Aside from you and Ausuka, {Alchemist, Vork, and HitAlt} were also on Baezu's wagon. Assuming there was scum on Baezu's L-2 wagon, which of those three do you think would be the most likely scum?

I'm not completely convinced that you are scum. Your predecessor had some questionable things in his ISO, and I'm trying to determine if it comes from a scummy mindset or if he just has a... awkward way of conveying his thoughts. That's why I'm engaging with you right now to try and help me determine your alignment.

Also, what do you think of FL's sudden 180 on me? He went from this:

Don’t assume it’s 10v2. This site’s been having some weird stuff lately.

I just won a 9v4 scum game, 9v3 is still viable. Maybe 9 v 2.5.

I had a theory that Cby was just scum, but Volxen post was really townie to me.

Pointing out Ausuka doesn’t likely link that as scum is townie. I don’t see a reason to comment on that either way if Volxen was scum.

Like I said, I’m starting this whole chain of actions way of finding scum, but that single chain strikes blue.

To this:

VOTE: Volxen

He made the big one post, and I think it was a scum play now.

Scum like to break apart the Vorkuta-Flavor combo.

[Slaxx]

I think sudden FL 180s are either NAI or town/him.

I know hitalt will have a heyday with that but whatever.

And not alchemist. Maybe Hitalt, less likely Vork... but there’s a world where that wagon is town.

Most of the time when I see people saying there has to be one scum on the wagon it’s scum directing the lynch. To be clear, I’m not applying that to this situation, but it’s either misguided or malicious.

Mastina notably did it in schadd mini normal and If I recall correctly Pers did it off-wagon in a game where him and his buddy double bussed.

[Slaxx]

Also that wagon was fairly hard to get up to five, which makes me really question whether it was scum motivated at all.

[Flavor Leaf]

Get used to the flip flops.

I’m a known flip flopper.

Won’t be the last time.

[RCEnigma]

So I don't really buy into the FL-Slaxx scum team based on how 1,2,3 their interactions are. So I don't see them going hard 1v1 with each other sure (not saying they did here, just saying I think it's too basic for it to be the play) and they way they interacted was :

Slaxx: you aren't flipping your reads like you would as town.
FL: -flips reads-
Slaxx: well he did that thing I said he does as town.

FL wouldn't let scum theatre like that fly he would drive his partner into the dirt over it.

FL/Slaxx is never 2 scum. 1 between them I could see, it's still a weird interaction imo in isolation.

[HitAlt]

Funnily enough, that way too blatant interaction is what initially pinged me.

[HitAlt]

{Alchemist, Vork, and HitAlt} were also on Baezu's wagon. Assuming there was scum on Baezu's L-2 wagon, which of those three do you think would be the most likely scum?

Like Slaxx already pointed out, the wagon could've just as well been all town.
Furthermore, whenever people do this type of "analyzing" as you are pushing for here, they seem to forget that they should always include the TARGET of the wagon as well.

I'll subscribe to your theory of "one scum in the wagon, if the pool of suspects includes all of:

Baezu, Alchemist21, Vorkuta, Ausuka, Slaxx

. (obviously excluding myself from the suspects, but sure, I was there)
To me, Baezu probably still

is

the scum on the wagon.
And if not them, my vote on Vorkuta afterwards should make my 2nd suspect quite clear.

I'm townreading Ausuka and to some degree Slaxx. (still thinking Boon flipping red might 180 this read)
Alchemist sort of worries me mainly because I really can't read them at all.
No actual scum-pings, but the same type of paranoia that I get with Boon, I get with Alch as well.
I think I've seen them play scum only once, but I think they were good..
It was a game I spectated from the sidelines, so might be hard to find it, but I'll try.

[HitAlt]

BTW, 4 people not voting at all in the last vote count, and FL voting for a no-lynch.
Not sure how many of them already voted, but I think we need to avoid "not voting" as we are sliding closer to the deadline.

[HitAlt]

VOTE: Baezu

[RCEnigma]

Funnily enough, that way too blatant interaction is what initially pinged me.

Figured it did, it's blatant enough for FL to do it but not showy enough.