Mini 2065 - Access Point [Endgame]

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I could be wrong on DDL and I'm not 100% on it if NSG isn't

But insomnia isn't town and scum were going to power play at some point

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"he's trying very hard" is the shittiest reason to townread him in this situation that I have ever heard where if scum doesn't force towntells to get one of their own in access point they just lose.

If you're town you should play better roster

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Just assume I'm town for a moment

What is scum doing right now if insomnia is town?

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Oh yeah and if insomnia knows who I am to the point of making that ridiculous grr never townread RC post than he's done some digging: how does he have zero idea who NSG is in general to imply that she's scum with or without my townread or to imply that I wouldn't access point her today? Despite me calling her locktown and a safer AP repeatedly he boiled my case on her down to hey she's busy so she should get in when that literally only matters in terms of my decision that let her go over me.

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I want to also go through that post and pick apart every falsehood but I'm lazy

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Also his me/nsg conjecture doesn't even make sense

Why would I want to send my scumbuddy to AP over myself

Why would I not want to go to AP because my scumbuddy did

Why do I want to reach F3 and have my flip heavily incriminate my buddy

Scum me just takes access point D1 and wins final 3 and I have more than enough townreads and wim to force it. I don't believe that you believe what you're saying, you're just looking for excuses to not accept RuiRui AP and dayvig me so I can't also compete with you on AP

Did I mention the only universal townread you didn't discredit was the one who said they didn't want to go to AP?

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Insomnia at no point this game has talked about a single player he would want to go to access point that isn't himself.

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You guys realize that he's obviously more competent than the level zero RC scum NSG scum reasoning right? He would never have posted that if he would ever have to actually follow that reasoning. He knows that NSG is under he just doesn't want to face off against her in f3

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How's that for pushing my win condition ?

Pretty good right?

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knows that NSG is unmislynchable

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I think scum are in the pool of people who were super amenable to me.going early but who changed their minds and refused to trust my nsg townread. Scum wanted me in AP to mislynch.

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Were you actually strategically trying to piss me off and make me replace out?

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Nope. I have already said that to death. Doesn't mean you aren't afraid of it,.or of me forcing some other townie through.

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Why would I

ever

agree to that except as scum trying to wifom?

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I can spew myself town by play. Doubling up on that by burning resources to confirm that I'm town when I'm the towniest person in the game is playing against wincon. My voice doesn't get removed from play until.EOD3 when everyone elses does. I agreed to be dayvigged during the short time period I thought that I wouldn't flip, because in that case it is necessary to clear NSG. Aside from that, nah. Vigging obvtown is not good town play.

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Or, in concise form, fuck no

If I let scum force me to be treated as potential scum every game regardless of my actions it dramatically reduces what I bring to town. My notable attribute when I started out was that I'm not mislynchable. I've obvtowned, I haven't had the wim as scum to 200 post like this and keep thread presence up consistently in a very long time.

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If one of the vigs doesn't come here and says they will shoot RC on day two, I'm not voting shit.

Good for you!

Why join games with me if this is what you're going to do? Like shouldn't you find someone with whom you're willing to play the game in good faith with? There's a lot of games you know.

That's all assuming that you're town which I don't believe but sure let's pretend: why do you think this is an appropriate way to play mafia?

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rc can i have a game without you AtE'ing

I ate in response to people trying to policy lynch me for my username or scum trying to use my username against me and unfortunately it comes up a lot of the time.

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If one of the vigs doesn't come here and says they will shoot RC on day two, I'm not voting shit.

Good for you!

Why join games with me if this is what you're going to do? Like shouldn't you find someone with whom you're willing to play the game in good faith with? There's a lot of games you know.

That's all assuming that you're town which I don't believe but sure let's pretend: why do you think this is an appropriate way to play mafia?

Am I supposed to look for your name now when I join games? Who are you again?

Idk who I am.

You're the one who went into a several paragraph rant about how my scum game was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I just want to be treated like any other user

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Like shouldn't you find someone with whom you're willing to play the game in good faith with?

What do you suggest newbies that come on this website do? Meta dive all the players waiting in a queue for a game and only then join themselves?

You clearly seem to have ideas of who I am that go outside this game. Am I wrong?

It was a guess, I don't meta read.

You mean you read it in scum PT?

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What am I supposed to say to this besides what I'm saying?

I should not be dayvigged as the towniest person alive, ever, and if you think that I should ever be okay with that then you haven't even tried to put yourself in my shoes.

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No insomnia is not townie

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This game is no different from Be Yourself where I refused to be lie detected or any other game.

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For the sake of others if you believe what he's saying read any of my other games I never agreed to being copped or gunsmithed or whatever except under desperate circumstances because to do so is playing against my win condition. I have proven myself town and I want him dayvigged so that he can't infiltrate AP, no one else would agree to be dayvigged in my position.

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Insomnia you can get me dayvigged because townies are dumb as fuck but you will never win this game from here

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Keep quoting an RVS hypothetical where I wasn't one of the most universally townread players in the game out of context to make me look bad

Keep ignoring that at the only point in the game I thought it was actually to my win condition to be dayvigged, the point where I thought there were no flips, I agreed to it but extremely reluctantly

NSG can lead the game without me

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Insomnia you can get me dayvigged because townies are dumb as fuck but you will never win this game from here

Why so stressed RC? I'm with you, right here, by your side. Tell me what's hurting you.

There was a time when scum respected me and didn't try to mislynch me in basically every single game. It's a lot easier to kill scum when they don't have the option of turning things around on you citing paranoia. If I was anonymous town already won this game.

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You realize you just confirmed that you know I'm town right?

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Insomnia you can get me dayvigged because townies are dumb as fuck but you will never win this game from here

Why so stressed RC? I'm with you, right here, by your side. Tell me what's hurting you.

There was a time when scum respected me and didn't try to mislynch me in basically every single game. It's a lot easier to kill scum when they don't have the option of turning things around on you citing paranoia. If I was anonymous town already won this game.

I've seen this post somewhere else, DT, here comes the rep out

This post is a scumclaim

If he thinks I'm scum faking my emotions for towncred why does he expect me to replace out ever. He knows from his own words that I'm not afraid of him as scum.

If he knows that I'm town and is intentionally trying to piss me off with this policy lynch bullshit in the hopes off tilting me or making me replace out, you get this.

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If I get dayvigged, you and NSG aren't getting on an AP mission, ever.

Dayvig him

I accept the terms if he flips town

He won't

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That last post brought it from me being fairly sure he was scum but worried that I was just getting tilted to 100%.

BoP me on this

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DT you know that he is scum for that

Back me up

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Call his bluff

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posture posture posture

Also note the tone change and the shift from wallposts to single line posts

He realizes he fucked up hard.

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I'm sure you do

TGP, GL

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And keep in mind TGP GL

If I'm really scum and he's town trading my standing in town for town insomnia is an amazing deal for town

This is literally the most win win trade of all time

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And you don't have to read his obnoxious posting

+1

Would invest again

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How could this be better?

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This is the greatest trade deal in the history of trade deals, or perhaps ever.

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Insomnia has literally scumclaimed

Don't you want to know his alignment and by proxy, mine?

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You don't get to bully me out of this game.

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Itt insomnia tries to get me, someone he claims to scumread, to replace out rather than try to get him dayvigged

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DDL insomnia is scum and you're helping him normalize policy lynching me

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When insomnia flips we are access pointing NSG

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Then sending whichever of me or ruirui is still alive

Do you think this is ever SvS, DDL

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Let's take a different tactic

If we don't dayvig today NSG is going through

If hypothetically insomnia is town and right then you're basically saving the game right here by dayvigging today

I fail to see the downside in any scenario if you're not his buddy

[RadiantCowbells]

#1 mafia god insomnia

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DrDo, do you agree with my vig theory and why RC should be shot day two?

No because people flip at the end. But I don't think we send both RC and NSG as of right now.

Do you remember how

I actually advocated that we don't both go?

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Like not because of your reasons which are bad b/c we are both town but I'm not playing to an RC NSG win condition

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Sure

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#1 mafia god insomnia

You can't do it until the game is over

Be sure to include the context and both of our alignments

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I'm not sure where the fuck DT went because he should be here to vouch that insomnia just hard outed

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viewtopic.php?f=84&t=75025

Here's just one game in question where policy copping me was brought up

RCE is my sole ??? In the general townreads
I'd be a lot happier with you as a backup plan

But no one is getting access pointed until insomnia is dead

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RC has consented to being lynched copped or vigged like twice in his entire professional career but you already know that, don't you?

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NSG he's just scum

Please please please back me up here

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Wow I must be a great scum player because I joined in 2013

That's how I know guy in freezer is a good scum player

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Sure but include my alignment as well.

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The idea is that if you're town I don't want you misrepresenting it as an endorsement of your town game.

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Not that, of course, I believe that you ever are.

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So my town game is trash?

If this is it? yeah.

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I would think that goes without saying given how much hell you've put me through and I'm town. I don't believe you are, I think you're fixating on this to try to towntell by talking about the universe in which you're town, but I don't like you pressuring me to replace out regardless of your alignment so.

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Note insomnia going back to trying to be all

reasonable

and respectable and whatever as soon as people started to give him the time of day again

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I have info that others don't. He is scum. Pls dayvig

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I don't get why we'd town read people in this setup based on their posts, scum can easily fake town posts. I

Why play mafia?

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I have a lot I still want to say.

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Right now, me, NSG and RC would be a great AP, except it's probably never going to happen.

Just a quick toss in b/c I have other priorities today

How is you and two of your scumreads a good AP

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I don't think being treated like shit should arbitrarily be part of my mafia experience. No other player on this site would have people trying to dayvig them in my position. You can't complain about my ateing given that you know my one trigger and went out of your way to instigate me. At no point have you put forward a reason that I'm scum besides my aptitude as scum. I don't think it's hard to put yourself in my point of view and realize how unpleasant it is to be scumread regardless of what I do, to be the most valuable townie in almost all of the games you play and to still get scumread. And you know all this and have chosen to pursue this line of play anyway which, well, I understand playing to your wincondition but don't take the moral high ground about it.

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I don't even like playing scum...

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NSG how do you feel about switching RCE for DDL

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eh

I'm happy with DDL I guess

You're my sheep indefinitely if you're wrong there

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Stick with DDL

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If I'm dead ruirui

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rce is also compromisable

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But ruirui is my girl

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If I'm dead lock in ruirui

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If I'm dead ruirui -> survivor of DDL/RCE

Do not nominate insomnia no matter what

Still have weird feelings about RCE but I'm not sure if I wouldn't have them if they were town

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VOTE: nsg

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Labrats town but I don't expect anyone else to agree so

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significantly worse since he entirely sidelined the insomnia discussion.

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I like DDL better right now but we're still talking about the difference between like a 95% townread and an 88% townread

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it's hard to explain, idk.

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regarding RCE specifically

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you're getting one of DDL or rui.

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i've given my reads.

hammer nsg whenever you're ready.

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shrug

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i've given my reads, nsg has given her final statement, i think that it is optimal to go into night.

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i don't want to have to get everyone back onto nsg again. this day phase has already been brutal.

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i really don't think that i am, no.

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in what way am i misconstruing the events of the day?

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hammer it and it can be tomorrow

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neither of them are dying. all that them outing their reads right now does is give scum more information on the nightkill.

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even if you have concerns about me that should not extend to NSG. she's clearly town.

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can u hammer nsg

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wait you're scumreading me?

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I believe I am fundamentally hurting town if I do not post as much as I am because if I'm not ten times townier than everyone else I will be scumread and that doesn't help anyone. If this is a huge problem for you ask me to leave and I'll leave. But if I have done everything that I've done and you still don't townread me, I would probably have literally zero influence on town at this point if I wasn't trying so hard.

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I can't help town if town doesn't trust me.

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Two of my 3 losses this year were directly caused by my having to make suboptimal plays because I wasn't townread. In the third scum attempted to use that reputation against me but it failed and paragons still won. When you call me scum despite being objectively the towniest player, that's why I do what I do. It I could get away with a lower content playstyle and holding back and waiting for good moments I would love to. I don't enjoy this. But I don't like losing easily winnable games because of my scum reputation either.

Divorce my play from my username and not a single player ever even considers the possibility that I could be scum, yet here I am sorting the game around the sole player I know 100% to be town and who is generally super good at towntelling never being considered town enough to access point.

Have a little empathy and stop being part of the problem because you and people like you are the reason I'm doing this.

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When you call me a slight scumlean in a game like this you're just telling me there's no bar that I can meet where you'd townread me.

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So, uh, yeah

Ask me to leave
Stop policy scumreading me
Or expect me to play like I do.

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Do you think I want this?

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I could use a hug.

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Hammer NSG please

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I asked you to and I'm the best

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This could be the start of a long and beautiful friendship

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VOTE: ruirui

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Ruirui is town
DDL is now flipped town

Why would scum ever shoot me?

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How aren't they town?

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I mean shared townread of the two best scumhunters on this site should say something

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VOTE: RCenigma

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VOTE: ruirui

I had to make a statement

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I'm not going against an NSG townread.

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It's them or RCE fmpov basically

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Like I townread them individually don't get me wrong

But nsg townread so

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No because you're going to AP tomorrow if you're not dead.

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Pinkie promise correct solve no need to do anything but look pretty

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But you gotta look like damn pretty

Strut your stuff on that walkway you know what I'm saying

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That's the stuff

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Does anyone dispute me as cutest player in the game

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reminder that errant scumreads on me are basically the only reason I lose town games.

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literally never.

idc if you get vigged and flipped town, still literally never.

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you are not better than myself or NSG. I don't care what you think your read is. even if Insomnia is actually town we're not access pointing him and we'll win.

no. do you scumread ruirui? if so, why?

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even if you think that he's town here

, if you're refusing NSG's townreads as AP nominees that means you think that there's scum in the pool, correct? What happens when NSG is in AP with her townread and a scumread?

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labrat's progression on insomnia is either awful or scum.

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moar votes.

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do you think that you are a better play than both myself and NSG?

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ok, so why should I blindly trust you

if rui is literally your second strongest townread then I'm not understanding why you feel the need to make this big of a fuss about it.

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if your objection to the AP nomination is that it's not insomnia then, well, can't help you.

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i'll give you a hint about NSG: she had an 80% town winrate last year over a shit ton of games. does that make you feel better about following her solve?

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also there's literally no point in saying just shoot you. if you're scum you guys are already all in on getting insomnia in and the flip won't hurt your chances any more than not all inning will. if you're town, it's not going to change anyone's actions.

it's literally between ruirui and rce for today.

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you can literally case him all you want. it's not going to change anything.

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as long as all you're contributing to this game is that 1 arbitrary player who no one is really considering for access point is locktown and must be access pointed, no.

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anything you say about insomnia is irrelevant. if you have any thoughts about rce ruirui or myself, then you are welcome to share them

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and if that thought is 'well RC is good at scum so we should discount all his reads and nominate someone that he's scumreading just in case he's scum' then let's go ahead and get you dayvigged so you stop posting.

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i have literally nothing further to say to you.

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I sincerely doubt town insomnia tries to bully me out of a game and force a replace out when he thinks that I'm scum. I do believe that scum insomnia tries to bully me out of a game when he knows that I'm town.
i've blacklisted him off of his play in this game regardless of his alignment. i understand that you need to push scum into the access point but calling me toxic because i'm trying to access point town is pretty unnecessary!

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you're crying that I'm not engaging you with your one trick pony insomnia read yet I've tried to engage with your reads. on literally everyone I've townread. you refuse to give thoughts on anyone who isn't insomnia.

I'm assuming that you're just scum who doesn't want to actually be coerced into putting your vote onto anyone town because if you're not, if you're calling me toxic because I won't engage with your read on one person who has made this game incredibly unpleasant for me, lol.

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like either you think that literally RCE/Ruirui/RC is 3 scum or you think that I've given you the opportunity to put forward at least 1 townie for access point. why don't you either decide that we're all scum or search for the townie(s)?

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RCE am I in the wrong here

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i could use an opinion from literally anyone who isn't in the pushing insomnia block

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alright two strikes I'm out I guess.

replace me.

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Pls don't open scum PT.

RC if you can help me set up my sig I’d really appreciate that

Rc: “Insomnia you are scum god #1”

Insomnia : towm

Rc: scum

Arbitrarily calling me scum when I happen to be scum doesn't make you a good player, particularly when you were wrong about everything

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RcE to AP D2 after people inevitably object to Ruirui inclusion, nightkill Ruirui, myself D3 but it wasn't fun having several players accuse me of making the game not fun for them and repping out

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Take the sig and just don't talk to me again

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Hint: I would never have gone along with your plan as town which every single player who knew me pointed out. You insisting otherwise just helped to discredit you and make you an unviable AP which was a ++

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Final thing

I didn't rep out D1 because at the time I was uncertain enough about the outcome of the game that I felt it would be running away from a potential scum loss which wouldn't be right

I replaced out when I did because I was 100% sure in the win at that point so it felt a lot better to just say it wasn't worth it

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Labrat replace out was only town spewy if you choose to take it as such

It was just as easily argued as an insomnia scumbuddy move btw

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Alisae didn't play around it properly.

Scum really should have won this

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Ank couldn't be APed b/c no one ever thinks ank is scum post flips

RcE had to be the town AP because his associatives were terrible with the other scum coincidentally

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Alisae could have been APed even if scum voted him in

The idea that not being on the wagon is better is sketchy

Idk. I thought even without me the game was 70/30 if the plan was followed.

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If I pushed one of NSGs scumreads in the pool she'd vote me for basically policy because of how scum motivated that would be

It had to be exactly rce. Towny enough to get in without any super strong reasons to townread and bad associatives both ways with both scum slots that would flip. You can win through other angles but scum always wins NSG / rcslot / enigma if me or Alisae was in it I think

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Idk.

I didnt understand either Vediths or Labrats replace outs but I didn't want to be ruining the game for people, so

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eh

I would have done it I think =[

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Sorry for trying to set you up

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Fakegod sorry for replacing out
I didn’t want to stay in the same game as momo

confirming on alisae's behalf that he loathes momo.

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Oops, I really didn't expect a lot of the stuff Alisae had posted near the end to have come from scum, that was my worst read

'sok. our entire plan revolved around buddying you.