Starcraft Mafia: Legacy of the Void [Game Over]

[Ankamius]

Votecount 1.5

Volxen MJL Combo Pack(2)

~ Powerpuff Girls(89), RCEnigma(66)

u r a person 2(2)

~ Alchemist21(35), Iconeum(34)

Shiro(2)

~ Liger_Zero(98), Hydra TBD(17)

Liger_Zero(2)

~ Shiro(4), Flavor Leaf(95)

Hydra TBD(1)

~ u r a person 2(18)


Not Voting (7): Vedith(108), Yahmose(1), Volxen MJL Combo Pack(13), Almost50(42), Shadowlesscloud(38), chennisden(16), Cerberus v666(8)

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-04-23 14:38:03)

MOD REMINDERS

Searching for a replacement for Yahmose.

Prodding Shadowlesscloud and Shiro.

FLAVOR

[Volxen MJL Combo Pack]

3.

MJL's absence

: MJL is usually pretty involved as town; she's not made a single post this game. Unless she siteflaked (and I believe that's not the case), this should be scum indicative for MJL.

To the Combo Pack: If you're town, and not finding time to discuss reads with each other, it would help me read you if you posted your thoughts as individuals rather than lurk out waiting for an opportunity. I will not move our vote till my concerns are cleared / I have sufficient reason to townread you; and MJL starts being active.

I totally understand your concern, except this is more Volxen's game and I'm just tagging along. I planned to share my updated reads with Volxen, but I'll also post them here so you can get my thoughts directly from me.

I'm not sure where you're getting your meta on me from, but of all completed games I've participated in, only one was scum.

-MJL

[u r a person 2]

well, you did fp me :p

what does fp mean?

[u r a person 2]

Did I say it was a town "read"??

Town read usually is stronger than Town lean for me, and the latter could be a general feeling about the tone with nothing specific.

What don't you like about him though?

I didn't mean to misconstrue the strength of your reads, and I apologize for the mishap.

Could you point me to a post or two that give you that feeling or demonstrate a tone you're town reading? I'll go through why I think their scum after catching up

[u r a person 2]

Hi, Bubbles is suspicious of Volxen and thinks Liger may be town. I would prefer HER to give her reasons why.

This is where my gut is at rn, too

[Shiro]

prod taken

Will post something tommorow most liekly

[Liger_Zero]

More votes on this ^

[u r a person 2]

Spoiler:

Volxen MJL combo pack can join my town block.

I'm being drafted into a townblock before I've even posted? That's a first.

- Volxen

Volxen MJL combo pack can join my town block.

I'm being drafted into a townblock before I've even posted? That's a first.

- Volxen

Are you accepting?

I suppose I'll tentatively accept it for now.

- Volxen

I really don't like these two posts. It's like the cat that ate the canary =/

[Alchemist21]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... e%20canary

You sure that’s the right expression? Because I don’t see it.

[Shiro]

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

[u r a person 2]

p.edit https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cat_that_ate_the_canary

(idiomatic) A person who appears self-satisfied or smug, especially while concealing something mischievous, prohibited, or private.

Yeah, this exactly. How nice it must feel walking into the thread already in a town bloc. That first post is not particularly well concealed joy at the good fortune he is experiencing.

Spoiler:

Bubbles checking in!

Volxen, you've clearly been online and posting since the game started; yet none of your three posts contain a stance on any other slot. You also lack an RVS vote. Should that concern me?

Agree that ShadowlessCloud's entrance seems slightly scummy. However, 131 I see coming more often from town than scum; I haven't been online with my other heads yet. I'll discuss and move the vote if they concur. 183 also I think comes from town.

Also liking Alchemist21 for town

for now

.

-Bubbles

I think RCEnigma is likely town, as I have played several games with him and this seems like town!him so far. Alchemist seems towny so far as well.

Nancy seems towny so far, but after Nomination Mafia I doubt I will be able to get a strong read on you individually on day one, considering I initially incorrectly townread you early on in that game. So you’re null for me for now.

I think it’s suspect how Liger_Zero voted for Almost50 with no explanation initially (see 256)

after you voted for and then unvoted Almost50 (see 250 and 254), especially after repeatedly saying “no one is scummy” (see 19, 141, 243, etc.) He did then follow-up and point out things that he found suspect about Almost50 (see 322), but they were mostly related to Almost50’s relaxed tone and the fact that he joked around a lot and “buddied” up to Flavor Leaf and shared some of his reads and sheeped people by voting for Shadow.

I don’t think he really has a good case on Almost50, as I have played several games with town!Almost50 (Hope Plus One, Starcraft Mafia 2, and Unstable Mafia) and he had the same relaxed/joking posting style in those games, so at best it’s NAI for him.

- Volxen

This case is scummy for a number of reasons.
Timing - If you've got a real scum read on someone with reasons and posts to back it up, you get it out there! You don't wait to be assigned homework to put it all together

Content - Bolded statements are all IIOC. Additionally, the gist of this large paragraph is that Liger made a naked vote, and then later backed it up with a bad reason. But is there reason to believe Liger knows A50's playstyle? The tone of Volxen's post doesn't imply that volxen believes this. But then why would the bad read be scummy?

[u r a person 2]

I see you have Liger_Zero as a townread. Do you think his push on Almost50 is genuine? I could perhaps understand him thinking that Almost50 is the scummiest player in this game if he had no prior experience with Almost50, as Almost50 does have an unconventional playstyle that may inadvertently make him come off as scummy to people unfamiliar with him. But Liger_Zero mentioned in 452 that he replaced into Almost50's town slot in a previous game recently, so he should be aware that Almost50 does the things he has done in this game as town. That's a large part of why I find his push on Almost50 suspect.

ah I forgot about this bit so nix that part from above

[u r a person 2]

Why were you so quick to want to lynch him through his claim on day one, given that you were in Starcraft 2? Remember that in that game there were two town-aligned one-shot BP's -- Michael Scott (Auro and I) and Tibor & Lumia (Gamma Emerald and Brassherald)/Firebinger both had that role (see: Starcraft 2 Mod Thread). That game was 11 town vs 3 scum, and there are at least 11 townies in this game, so it's very likely that there is at least one town-aligned BP role in this game.

I pointed out why this was bad earlier. I don't think that town!volxen thinks, "there was this role in the last game so there will very likely be that role in this game and everyone else should be assuming that to be true as well. People who don't assume that have a a scum agenda." like that's absurd

[u r a person 2]

This is the Hydra head of Hydra TBD checking in.

Jesus Christ, there’s already 20 pages of content to wade through.

- Hydra

This entrance is screaming awkward scum

[u r a person 2]

Caught up now

Town: Alchemist, Liger, RCEnigma, Vedith, Powerpuffs

Scum: Chennisden, Shadowless, Shiro

- Hydra

No catchup posts + easy scum reads is =/

[u r a person 2]

Nancy was in Nomination Mafia?

- Hydra

This pings me and I can't figure out why.

[u r a person 2]

Spoiler:

I see you have Liger_Zero as a townread. Do you think his push on Almost50 is genuine? I could perhaps understand him thinking that Almost50 is the scummiest player in this game if he had no prior experience with Almost50, as Almost50 does have an unconventional playstyle that may inadvertently make him come off as scummy to people unfamiliar with him. But Liger_Zero mentioned in 452 that he replaced into Almost50's town slot in a previous game recently, so he should be aware that Almost50 does the things he has done in this game as town. That's a large part of why I find his push on Almost50 suspect.

- Volxen

Yes, I read it as genuine. Or more accurately, it didn't come across as being made in bad faith, even though I don't scumread A50.

Replacing into your own slot is different than trying to get a read on a different slot. You're less likely to seriously analyze your own slot, since you already know your own alignment.

Liger also said he didn't read A50's posts in this other game, which I believe, since that game was pretty long and Liger replaced in fairly late in the game IIRC.

I think it’s suspect how Liger_Zero voted for Almost50 with no explanation initially (see 256) after you voted for and then unvoted Almost50 (see 250 and 254), especially after repeatedly saying “no one is scummy” (see 19, 141, 243, etc.) <snip>

- Volxen

Are you just looking at individual ISOs?

243 comes before A50 made any posts in the game, and 256 comes after A50 made his entrance. Given the context, it's fine to go from "no one is scummy" in one post to thinking A50 is scummy in the next.

- Hydra

This post is actually pretty townie

[u r a person 2]

I think I'm reversing course on TBD for a hot minute

VOTE: volxen

[u r a person 2]

I also am scum reading alchemist.

Anyone else scum reading alchemist?

[Liger_Zero]

More votes on this ^

Nah you are the scum here tryin got go for the easy target

You are not helping yourself by self labeling yourself as an easy target.

I also am scum reading alchemist.

Anyone else scum reading alchemist?

No, not really.

[Liger_Zero]

volxen case on me earlier was exceptionally weak, but I am not certain that was a scum case.

[u r a person 2]

No, not really.

Why not? I think he's been pretty fluffy

[Liger_Zero]

Lately, yes. But as a whole not really. I think he like quite a few others aren't energized right now.
I think his earlier posts were town motivated to.

[Liger_Zero]

Why were you so quick to want to lynch him through his claim on day one, given that you were in Starcraft 2? Remember that in that game there were two town-aligned one-shot BP's -- Michael Scott (Auro and I) and Tibor & Lumia (Gamma Emerald and Brassherald)/Firebinger both had that role (see: Starcraft 2 Mod Thread). That game was 11 town vs 3 scum, and there are at least 11 townies in this game, so it's very likely that there is at least one town-aligned BP role in this game.

I pointed out why this was bad earlier. I don't think that town!volxen thinks, "there was this role in the last game so there will very likely be that role in this game and everyone else should be assuming that to be true as well. People who don't assume that have a a scum agenda." like that's absurd

I mean bad arguments can come from town, I don't know what the scum motivation for volxen to push this other than they think this will get them town points? And even then it seems a bit silly.

[Liger_Zero]

So far I just don't like Volxen MJL doing this politician game I think they are doing. They have the uncle sam avatar and they are acting so much like a politician to get support for what they are doing it makes me a bit suspicious.