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Here are some posts by awest and why they're bad:

[My vote isn't on there because of the deepwolf discussion but more so because of the way they've been playing as a whole. Over-reading things is something that could be considered a flaw as both alignments, however with their stubbornness, I feel like it's more so scummy. They're putting too much of an emphasis on small things.

For example, Fumuki thought it was passive aggressive for Flubbernugget to say "what's up here?"

I haven't done a full ISO on Fumuki but this is definitely true for their recent posts.

It's a good idea to lynch the bomb D1 and I doubt the obvious scum is the bomb. Deepwolves tend to be better bombs.

The vote on Fumuki was weird, but the reasoning is terrible.

And awest's refutation of Fumuki's meta read is no good.

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460 is no effort.

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If they're worried that they might be a deepwolf, then

their

* town-read is shit.

You're pointing things out as if we're living in a perfect world and as if things are going to happen a certain way. If I town-read someone, I don't worry about them being a deepwolf because that would make my town-read weak. You can't town-read someone and also think they're a deepwolf at the same time. This is why this discussion is useless.

A townread on a potential deepwolf is not a terrible townread I think, just not the best one.

And this is going against the town by sticking a spanner in the deepwolf discussion again. To me this is lockscum. Only scum tries to protect scum in this way.

[Fumuki]

Roster are you scum just trying to get an easy mislynch?

Confess your sins right now.

Also if TL flips town I`ll find it funny

[rosterfoster]

If I wanted an easy mislynch I would’ve jumped on him earlier.

I really believe this is scum Lich we’re seeing.

[Saudade]

If he flips town and gets lynched 9 days early to deadline because you put him at L-1 im lynching you first roster not the guy who hammered

[Fumuki]

If I wanted an easy mislynch I would’ve jumped on him earlier.

I really believe this is scum Lich we’re seeing.

I feel Lich is naturally scummy as town so maybe I'm just biased thinking that "this probably isn't scum!Lich, he is always scummy".

Who knows

[rosterfoster]

Yeah, and that’s why I wasn’t voting him at first. But if you try to look at it from Lich perspective I don’t think I see any attempt to gamesolve, however flawed. This was very present in unstable and I was scumreading him there more because his arguments were flawed, which was a mistake.

Here it’s not about his arguments but his motivations.

[ofrhz]

The day shouldn’t end until maadneet comes back and contributes

Idk what to do about Lich since his reads don’t make much sense but that’s also not scum indicative for him.

I think Lich’s recent posts have been more gamesolvy

[ofrhz]

Might be worth metadiving there if I can convince myself to effort

[rosterfoster]

In what way is it gamesolving?

[ofrhz]

His case on awestfie in 575

[rosterfoster]

I didn’t feel like that was gamesolving, not compared to unstable where he did similar cases but was also asking questions surrounding that.

[Eyes without a face]

I just realized I am L-1.

You're not. Ehhi unvoted before roster voted you.

[Eyes without a face]

Obviously nobody's counting votes. The last VC was at the top of the previous page, then ofrhz switched to maad, Ejji unvoted, roster voted TL, and TL switched to awest.

TL is @L-2 followed by me @L-4

[Eyes without a face]

Aside from that, everything being said is confusing me. Fumuki is going to laugh if RL is town, yet he is arguing for town!TL. I am up on TL's read list because my wagon is being resisted??? Since when did strong resistance to a wagon become indicative of a town lynch target?
And what's all the fuss about the deepwolf? Are we going to lynch our town reads for fear they may be scum playing us??

[awestfie]

And what's all the fuss about the deepwolf? Are we going to lynch our town reads for fear they may be scum playing us??

That's Fumuki's great plan.

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The VC in the Opening Post is updated more frequently than actual VCs and always notes the last post reflected within, just in case anyone wanted to know.

[maadneet]

Feeling more confident about my TemporalLich vote right now.

I've been town-leaning Fumiki for a while but also agree with awestfie on not going after a deepwolf yet. The exchange between them feels off, though; I need to reread it to get a better read for each.

[awestfie]

I don't know why I'm responding to this. I feel like this guy is just making up reads on me and hoping they'll stick.

It's a good idea to lynch the bomb D1 and I doubt the obvious scum is the bomb. Deepwolves tend to be better bombs.

I never said lynching the bomb day 1 was a bad idea. I don't even know how you come to this conclusion. Scum, regardless of role, doesn't go into any game thinking they will be the deepwolf. They go with the flow and try to town tell along the way.

Being a deepwolf isn't something you can just do or force. This is why I believe too much emphasis has been put on this whole discussion. The notion of someone potentially being a "deepwolf" and trying to get rid of them early because of that is just silly to me. Why should we look to lynch the person who we believe is the most town in the fear that they might be a deepwolf? This is a quick and certain way to lose this game.

The vote on Fumuki was weird, but the reasoning is terrible.

What about it was weird?

And awest's refutation of Fumuki's meta read is no good.

They annoyed me with the way they've been playing this game. Is it really AI to you that I didn't want to be even more annoyed by reading another one of their games? If so, then you seriously need to reconsider what you believe is AI.

460 is no effort.

Effort isn't AI.

A townread on a potential deepwolf is not a terrible townread I think, just not the best one.

If you think someone might be a DEEP

WOLF

, then you shouldn't be townreading them in the first place. That's why it's a bad townread.

And this is going against the town by sticking a spanner in the deepwolf discussion again. To me this is lockscum. Only scum tries to protect scum in this way.

The deepwolf discussion was (and still is) worthless because of things I've already mentioned. This isn't going against the town, this is going against what I think is sub-optimal play. Who was I trying to protect?

[awestfie]

He was also comparing it to past FLubber town and scum games, and that comparison made a lot of sense to me. How about you try to address the points on Flubber?

I've already said before how I don't feel like Flubbernugget did anything particularly scummy this game. My opinion hasn't changed on that. I think a few people misinterpreted what I was trying to get across when I was pointing out Fumuki's case on him was weak. I wasn't disagreeing with the lynch in any way, but I was more so saying that I didn't see much of a good reason for it.

Before anyone undoubtedly questions it, the reason why I wasn't disagreeing with the lynch is because they weren't doing anything particularly towny either and they've been sitting at a perfect null for me.

[awestfie]

The only way I would see rosterfoster being scum here is if he was partnered with TL.

I think rosterfoster!scum has very little reason to defend TL!town like he did early game just to jump on him now. He could've just let the votes pile up early and avoided all of this attention. If they're both scum, this makes a bit more sense since it makes rosterfoster look more credible after the flip, but I doubt it's the case.

I also hate rosterfoster for making me unvote TL early considering how scummy TL has been. I find it super ironic that TL's calling out other people for posting badly when he hasn't done any good posting himself.

[Flubbernugget]

Feeling more confident about my TemporalLich vote right now.

I've been town-leaning Fumiki for a while but also agree with awestfie on not going after a deepwolf yet. The exchange between them feels off, though; I need to reread it to get a better read for each.

Is this about what your activity level is going to be throughout the game?

[TemporalLich]

HRG is votable in my eyes but it's too early to lynch our townreads.

The deepwolf discussion is useful since it informs later Days.

and awest's vote on Fumuki is just forced.

[Saudade]

You never voted someone just purely out of frustration with that person?

[rosterfoster]

Probably not. I don’t think Lich does fustration tbh

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