Mini Normal 2071 (Game Over!)

[ChannelDelibird]

My impression of Sashaddin so far is not yet fully formed, but I think RuiRui looks clearly worse at this stage. I don't hate the wagon for existing, but I wish it were on RuiRui instead.

[Egix96]

What are your thoughts on Sash? I like Asuka’s breakdown of Sash’s vote on Bob.

I think Sasha's reasoning for voting bob is pretty reachy but I don't think it makes him scum. (meta reasons)

I'd like to see a bit more content from him before giving a full-fledged read.

[Inferno390]

have you guys read sashadin's iso? Way better vote than exilon who is probably not trying to powerscum in the first ten pages and who is taking oddball views on things than the rest of the thread

VOTE: sashaddin

egix still scummy i think

inferno probably town

skitter probably town

This does not feel like natrual progression.
What happened to my being Egix’s partner?

[Inferno390]

I don’t like how 162 is used to throw shade in my direction while simultaneously pushing Sash.

[u r a person 2]

This does not feel like natrual progression.
What happened to my being Egix’s partner?

You've continued to post since then and now I'm town reading you. Not sure why it seems unnatural to you =/

[bob3141]

72 comes from town I think.

Like it actually looks scummy af

but

I think it actually reads townie from some new players.

Very much looks like an attempt to pretend to defend soemone

but

at the same time keep using the"

but .....

"

As well as trying to emphasize possible scummy actions

but

raising this in a pretend defense. So If i got lynched and untimatly revealed as town you could simply say you dint think i was scum and could hold no blame

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I think you are trying hard on this one, throwing shade on URAP2. Your argument made no sense too, you are using the very same word you are suspicious of.

VOTE: Bob3141

Your argument for your vote against me is rather far fetched. And very much looks like your are trying realy hard to make a case against me.

And your beleif that using a conjunctive (in this case but ) is evidence for someone being scum does appear a bit forced. And you even claim that was teh reason i was initially slightly suspicous of Uperson rather than that it at first appeared to discrete attempt to defend a person but instead trying to cast them in bad light

think when some words an insult as complent and vice versa


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Another reason i am voting for you is viewtopic.php?p=10899154#p10899154

You did the same thing that made me suspicous of bird but even more so. You vote for U person and only state you agree with skitter. Come across very much like scum trying to get bandwagon going but trying to avoid any responsibility if the player is revealsed as town. By saying you think x is town and you agree with him to lynch y.

VOTE: Sashaddin
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[Garmr]

VOTE: Sashaddin

A wagon appears soon after I mention wanting to hang him, it's like a gift from the heavens.

[Inferno390]

Inferno you're moving a little too fast with your reads imo

ya think? recent posts are not from a town perspective

@UR2:
This here is why it feels unnatural. Between this and your change in read on me you don’t even mention me.

[Inferno390]

Yeah, between 86 and 159 you posted 1 time and I’ve posted 8, most of which is multi posting. That’s a really fast reversal, and I don’t find it natrual.

[u r a person 2]

seems pretty normal to me

[Sashaddin]

I think I'm going to quit playing Mafia, I always end up being lynched in the first days and that doesn't help town at all.

[Sashaddin]

You did the same thing that made me suspicous of bird but even more so. You vote for U person and only state you agree with skitter. Come across very much like scum trying to get bandwagon going but trying to avoid any responsibility if the player is revealsed as town. By saying you think x is town and you agree with him to lynch y.

Yeah, it's called sheeping. When I said out lout I wanted to get into larges from minis, the hint I got was 'try to find someone who's town and sheep him for the first days'. Sad to see I got bad advice.
Plus, I really was in a hurry but wanted to participate in anyways. Big mistake from hindsight.

[ChannelDelibird]

Slow down there, cowboy, you ain't dead yet.

[RuiRui]

I think I'm going to quit playing Mafia, I always end up being lynched in the first days and that doesn't help town at all.

You're not being lynched right now, only wagoned, and there isn't a lot to go off of at this point in the game

Feeling pretty iffy about RuiRui so far. Most of her posts so far are pretty surface-level stuff ("Inferno, you're moving too fast with your reads" without really talking about what that might mean, or "well now nobody can use that for info" after the comment about reactions to LUV) without truly engaging in anyone's alignment. Need to see more evidence of desire to actively uncover the scum rather than just reacting blandly to a random post here or there.

*Reads her ISO*

I'll admit, you're not wrong there. She does feel underwhelming compared to last game so far.

You're not comparing the start of the last game to the start of this one, and are instead are looking at my posting from later points of the game - this is a mistake

Can you and/or Rui talk about experiences with Inferno as scum?

I just played in a game where he was scum, he was mostly lynched because we had a lot of investigative power to clear other people. I don't know if I'd be able to catch them as scum here, I do think that while his fast entrance today seems different, the circumstances are also different and I think it's something that can be done as scum anyway

[Exilon]

See your not addressing why I think your logic is circular.
The reason I think your logic is circular is because you’re using the fact that you think I’m scum to say that my post was aimed to look Town.
X is scum
Therefore this thing X did is scum motivated or is done because of scum reasons
So X is scum. Die, scum!

Or something like that.
And what would make you think I felt encroached and under pressure. There wasn’t a wagon on me, the two people scumreading me I’m already interacting with, and no one is pushing me except my scumreads. What pressure?
And what exactly am I backpedaling from?

I think I get it. But it's still not circular; it's not feeding itself. It's complementing the conclusion (which is scumread), in consequence to the posts before.
I understand it isn't, in itself, worthy of a scumread.

To me, it's when you put everything I've pointed together that a scummy mindset emerges, not with each individual piece.

I said I thought you felt encroached and under pressure at that moment for recognizing the skitter read being wrong (which is what I mean by backpedaling), in conjunction with urap2's callouts, as well as my own posts on the matter. This would be enough for me and the general tone in your posts seemed to convey a level of antsiness. From what you're saying, it seems you weren't in fact feeling this type of pressure. Is this right?

No. I don’t feel like there’s a lot of pressure in my direction at the moment.

If my interpretation of it is wrong, then what motivated you to write that post? what was on your mind?

Regardless, I'm willing to take that for what it is and adjust my read accordingly.

This point still remains, could you address it?

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c) you said this:

He seems to misunderstand the question and answers in Post 83with "because she's scumreads independent of Ur2 and Exi",

which only makes sense if you're assuming there's more than one anti-town team,

which .... okay, but it seems like a slip up, because, wouldn't wording it as "Exi and urap2 are scum together" be faster, more organic, and natural?

which i understood to mean that you're objecting to the fact that inferno was not scumreading me as being part of a team with his other scumreads urap and exi. i.e. that you think having scumreads but not reading all of them together as a team is problematic - that independant scumreads aren't a thing

i'm saying that i fundementally disagree with that (especially at this stage of the game) - i think it's entirely possible to scumread multiple people without viewing them holistically as a team

(fwiw mini normals are not allowed to have multiball these days btw)

what i mean by incorrect assumption is that you used that to build your case, and i'm saying that i disagree with this pov to begin with

As in: if there's only one team of scum, and if you think three people are scum, you're not going to say "the scum team is these 2 people", right? That's how I read it.

I understand later this point is expanded into "these 2 people are scum by association" (=they're a team); but the justification of this (it's chainsaw) also applies to skitter, whom he said he was reading scum for something else. (which leads to the contradiction). Later he removes scumread on skitter. But the accusation of chainsaw defense remains.

So he says urap2 is scummy because his attack is chainsaw-y, which would make me and skitter is scumbuddies. Since we know he thinks skitter is townie and I'm scum, this can't be the only reason why he feels scummy about me. But he hasn't elaborated on what it could be.

[Exilon]

Is Sash doing AtE?

[u r a person 2]

Is Sash doing AtE?

I dunno, is she?

[Exilon]

Is there a better name to 185?

[skitter30]

No offence but early on you kinda looked weak. But as soon as you put up some fight people backed off. If you were scum I would see your scum mates trying to stick for you a little longer. Now everyone seems to be kissing ass except Ausuka. Ausuka reaction seems somewhat emotional to your accusation, Don't think it's a scummy one through because I don't see why scum would get emotional at that point.

oh no offense taken; i was mostly asking because i'm really interested in how people form reads on me, i find it fascinating

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kinda think urap might be scum tbh
i dont' particularly understand his sash vote either

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After some time thinking to myself I couldn't really form any strong scumreads in my mind, so I decided I might as well commit to voting Deli and see what came of it.

not sure scum says this really

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Don’t get the point of this post. What incentive does Exil have to buddy you considering this is his first time playing with you?

idk if he has any particular incentive to do so as scum, but i did feel like the way he was defending me was kinda buddying-y

i kinda wanted to see if he would have any sort of interesting reaction to me saying that (like getting defensive or something or idk) but he didn't so that line of inquiry kinda fizzled out

Can you and/or Rui talk about experiences with Inferno as scum?

exactly none, it's based on my vibe for his personality/playstyle in this game thus far and elsewhere on site (ie speakeasy). i can absolutely be mistaken on this. still doesn't feel like a post i see him faking tho

I think the people I have struck out are town. I want to town read Rui. I want to town read Skitter but I can’t shake my paranoia.

that's ok, i'm kinda operating under the assumption that people being paranoid of me is a thing these days

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current town list: bob, inferno, cdb, maybe egix, maybe ausuka

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I think I'm going to quit playing Mafia, I always end up being lynched in the first days and that doesn't help town at all.

this ate is awful actually. i'm not sure it's scum-indicative but it's pretty bad irregardless of alignment
have i ever played with town!you?

[skitter30]

kinda want to go back here actually
VOTE: urap

[u r a person 2]

A number of people voted sash after me. What about my vote made you single it out as inexplicable?

[skitter30]

have you guys read sashadin's iso? Way better vote than exilon who is probably not trying to powerscum in the first ten pages and who is taking oddball views on things than the rest of the thread

VOTE: sashaddin

egix still scummy i think

inferno probably town

skitter probably town

Am i supposed to be understanding why you're voting sash from this?

I dont think any of the votes there are particularly compelling, but i kinda understand them. I really have no idea why you're voting rhere rn

[u r a person 2]

This is a frustrating moment to be pushing me for this reason.

I voted there because the iso was scummy af, and I read the iso because their posts shortly prior to my vote were really pinging.

But I actually like the woe-is-me response as town and Exilon asking if it was ate rather than asserting that it was ate and calling that scummy pinged me hard. I was town reading there but I want to give him another read

But none of that is going to happen tonight

[u r a person 2]

What I really want is for you to just let me coast until the weekend

[tris]

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