Newbie 1925 - Game Over

[TTTT]

also in NO circumstance should town fake-claim PR here
I don't care how strong your read is that someone is scum
I don't care if you think you are being a genius and trying to bait a nightkill
it will backfire

[Micc]

Votecount 3.02

TheASC (1) -

zeebu

Not Voting (4) -

Schiavetto, TheASC, MaryJoLisa, TTTT

With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2019-05-03 19:40:00).

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm having some trouble finalizing my case on zeebu because I've stopped thinking zeebu is scum. I want to vote either Schiavetto or theASC in that order, so I'm going to place my vote here pending further discussion and analysis.

TTTT you found Schiavetto's hammer votes suspicious and you also found theASC's tendency of jumping on wagons instead of starting them suspicious. Which behavior is more suspicious?

VOTE: Schiavetto

[TheASC]

Schia, assuming no PR claims and that I get lynched today, what are your opinions on tomorrow's lylo? By the sound of it, the other players here want today's and tomorrow's lynches to be the two of us so I'm interested in your thoughts here.

[TTTT]

By the sound of it, the other players here want today's and tomorrow's lynches to be the two of us

I think that's just MJL

[TTTT]

zeebu hasn't posted in over two days
Schiav is getting close to that too

[Schiavetto]

@TheASC you and zeebu haven't moved from my top two SRs. His daystart wasn't pretty--if you do flip green, zeebu's next on the chopping block for me. VOTE: TheASC

@MaryJoLisa I would love to hear your reasoning for the TR on zeebu.

[Schiavetto]

re: activity, New York's got its second round of state testing tomorrow and Thursday, so things are a little busy, but I'll definitely still be around.

[zeebu]

By the sound of it, the other players here want today's and tomorrow's lynches to be the two of us

I think that's just MJL

I’ve flopped between the two

[zeebu]

I'll start:

If I am a Neapolitan or Tracker I do not have an innocent result outside of TTTT

Ditto

[TTTT]

everybody in their next post should either say:

If I am a Neapolitan or Tracker I do not have an innocent result outside of TTTT

or post:

I am [Neapolitan, Tracker] and [player] is town because...

@Schiav

[TTTT]

@MJL
the answer to your last question is ASC

[MaryJoLisa]

I'm having some trouble finalizing my case on zeebu because I've stopped thinking zeebu is scum. I want to vote either Schiavetto or theASC in that order, so I'm going to place my vote here pending further discussion and analysis.

TTTT you found Schiavetto's hammer votes suspicious and you also found theASC's tendency of jumping on wagons instead of starting them suspicious. Which behavior is more suspicious?

VOTE: Schiavetto

@TheASC you and zeebu haven't moved from my top two SRs. His daystart wasn't pretty--if you do flip green, zeebu's next on the chopping block for me. VOTE: TheASC

@MaryJoLisa I would love to hear your reasoning for the TR on zeebu.

In my vote above, I didn't say that I was TRing zeebu, I said that I stopped thinking of him as scum. You asked me for TR justification so I went through my notes to look at zeebu again, framing his actions as town motivated. I find myself having trouble doing that but it may be a few hours before I can post up my full justification so we can discuss what I see.

UNVOTE: Schiavetto

[Schiavetto]

@all y'all
If I'm an investigative PR, I don't have any innocent results to share with the rest of the class.

@MelissaJoanHart
Much appreciated.

[TTTT]

VOTE: ASC

[TTTT]

if this flips town I'm unsure where we go tomorrow if there's no investigative result

[TTTT]

if the game gets to day4 and I'm dead
don't automatically believe a PR claim

[TTTT]

pretty sure this is A3 or C1
I have a hard time believing Nea or Tracker don't have an inno

[TTTT]

actually they could have targeted me night2
bc JPD was flipped at dawn
and I prob wasn't a bad investigative target before that

[MaryJoLisa]

"With 5 players alive it takes 3 votes to lynch."

WTF just happened?

1) zeebu 2) Schiavetto 3) TTTT

???

[TTTT]

we lynched him

[MaryJoLisa]

What happened to L-1, and intent to hammer?

[TheASC]

Ok, time for me to get as many of my thoughts down as quickly as possible I guess. Twilight could end at any time so it's probably better to post in smaller chunks so that some of it at least gets sent before I die. Firstly - my hammer. I'm kind of annoyed you didn't give chance for me to claim but at least you denied Schiavetto the satisfaction of hammering me himself. I'm VT by the way.

Speaking of Schia, while my SR on him has faded somewhat, I still find the fact he's been pushing me since day 1 a little suspicious. I seem to always find Schia more and more suspicious as games go on. From my experience of his player meta, he's reasonably lurky as each faction and so there's not really much to read into there. I'd still recommend a Schia lynch tomorrow, but hey, it's up to you guys now.

[TheASC]

In addition, while I don't think Schia is the type of person that would heavily push a scum partner, I can definitely see him hammering a wagon with almost no chance of defusing for towncred.

Regarding MJL, she's definitely played well and townily (is that a word? it should be) over the last couple of days but it's important to not forget the poor performance from ZestOfLife, ScreamingNoodle and wilky. It's unusual that there have been so many subs in this slot, although almost certainly not alignment indicative.

I can't really see zeebu being scum at this point. He coped well at L-1 on day 1 and while a lot of his later posts haven't exactly been pro-town, they're certainly not pro-scum. I think he'd be hard to read as either alignment but look forward to seeing how his meta develops in future games.

So to conclude, my current thoughts. I still think Schiavetto should be lynched tomorrow, but my opinions about him being scum and zeebu being town are certainly a lot less intense than they were earlier today due to taking the time to properly read through the thread from the beginning again. I will say that I definitely enjoyed this game more than my scum game and I wish my 3 townie friends good luck in the oncoming lylo.

[TTTT]

I think it's Schiav
but nothing would suprise me