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[PvtUrist]

VOTE: Froce this is rip

[Froce]

I'm Tracker.

Checked Gimm, no visit.

[Froce]

Wait I didn't see Pvt's last post

[PvtUrist]

Probably wouldn't have hammered if you'd claimed earlier :/

If there's a cop, check between Skygazer/N_M/Baezu if you haven't already.

If there's a jailkeeper or doc, play doc. I'd say doc me, but at this point just randomly choose between Exi/Gim/Yours Truly or something.

[PvtUrist]

Assuming I'm dying, here's readlist for D3;

{Exilon, Gimm1ck}
{N_M, Baezu}
{Skygazer}

Incase we don't have a investigative left alive, lynch Skygazer and sort Baezu. Though it'd be real funny if N_M won a game as scum just by playing like this with 5 prods on him.

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 2.06

Some trees are shy and don't like to touch other trees.

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Lynching

With 7 votes in play, it takes 4 to lynch.

Froce

(4): Skygazer, Not_Mafia, Exilon, PvtUrist

<-- LYNCH

Skygazer

(1): Froce

Not_Mafia

(1): Gimm1ck

Not Voting

(1): Baezu

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-01 08:00:00).

Mod notes: A lynch!

[Plotinus]

Day 2 Lynch - Froce

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Froce has been lynched day 2. He was a

town tracker.

It is now Night 2. Deadline for night actions is (expired on 2019-05-03 18:00:00)

.

Everyone has posted in the last 24 hours so nobody is in danger of being replaced during the night.[/area]

[Plotinus]

Night 2 Kill - PvtUrist

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PvtUrist has been killed night 2. He was a

town doctor.

It is now Day 3!

[/area]

[Plotinus]

Official Vote Count 3.00

Ágnes Herczeg makes needle lace artwork

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Lynching

With 5 votes in play, it takes 3 to lynch.

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(5): Baezu, Exilon, Gimm1ck, Not_Mafia, Skygazer

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-10 20:00:00).

Mod notes: Keep it fun!

[PvtUrist]

I am ded no big souprice

[Exilon]

*sigh*

I'll take some time during the weekend to look at things a bit more properly.
For now VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Exilon]

NVM
UNVOTE:

wtf

[Baezu]

Well shit

[Baezu]

Did he ever crumb his role?

[Baezu]

Probably wouldn't have hammered if you'd claimed earlier :/

If there's a cop, check between Skygazer/N_M/Baezu if you haven't already.

If there's a jailkeeper or doc, play doc. I'd say doc me, but at this point just randomly choose between Exi/Gim/Yours Truly or something.

I guess this could have been a crumb?

[Baezu]

Ok, so looking at the setup, we are in C3 so the mafia has two goons, which means they couldn’t have known anyone’s role nor could they have blocked anybody...

[Baezu]

Btw-

nobody put a vote down!

With two scum left and 3 to lynch, scum can hammer...let’s take our time today and really talk this out, please

[Exilon]

why do you think I unvoted

[Exilon]

Anyway to be honest at this point I wouldn't even care if town lost by lynching Not_mafia and him flipping, but he has voted for no one except town the entire game.

[Exilon]

I blame myself for voting Froce and not wagoning Not_Mafia Day 2.
Lesson learned.

[Not_Mafia]

lol

[Gimm1ck]

I had this feeling you were pretending to fabricate some of your reasoning day 1, and making an effort to appear townie in most of your logic. I didn't want to say anything because I wanted to see if the feeling was going to hold up or not and how Moomn flipped.
Now you PR-fish instead of building a case which town!you I believe was wont to do, and you preempt an N_M lynch by using logic that is at best tenuous and at worst a flat-out lie, because your scum partner couldn't get it going.

Explain how floating around the suggestion of a hypo which a. Never happened, b. I wanted to ask everyone’s opinion of it instead of going ahead and hypoing, is PR-fishing.

By ‘preempting’ a NM lynch, all I want is pressure on them so I can formulate a read. Furthermore, if NM is my so-called ‘lynchbait’, why didn’t I lynch them yesterday? I could have easily shifted onto NM if I wanted an easy lynch.

1. Asking for everyone about hypo is fine, insisting on it happening even though people have said no and not letting go is wasting time for town and it's an attempt at PR-fishing. This however I concede is likely to be NAI (non-alignment indicative).
2.

He wasn't lynchbait yesterday (even though some tried), he is lynchbait today.

Also, you could have shifted to NM, but why would you when Moomn was right there? Look, pointless arguments!

I mean not only because your scum partner couldn't get it going but I'm pretty sure you both see him as a safe lynch D2.

Very scummy for these reasons;
1. You assume I’m scum and working with a scum partner; if a townsperson were to say this, instead of going all up in arms with claiming ‘he’s scum! He’s scum!’, a townsperson would give an example and read of who my partner actually is, rather than simply claiming ‘oh, he has a partner!’.
2. If I theoretically had a scum partner, we both see him as a safe lynch: no, because I have said and currently say I do not have a strong read on NM yet. I have a scumlean. I want pressure on them. Simple.

Would like to point out the growing bond between NM and Exilon as possible scum partners; he whipped out the classic chainsaw defense.

1. I don't have to at this point, I think it's pretty clear who's the scum partner that I'm reading, even if it's independent and on another wagon. And no they wouldn't, that's a null tell at best (see: N_M's playstyle).

2. The point I made is redundant and hypothetical, obviously, so I don't even know why you as town would feel the need to address it. You as scum, however, I totally get.
2.5. Moreover, the response to the point has nothing to do with the point itself, it's strawmanning it. Instead of saying "actually, if I were scum I wouldn't see him as a safe lynch at all" or "if i were scum I would be going for someone else", which I feel would be very townie to do, you reject the hypothetical from the get go, and that I find to be a scumtell.

3. This is the exact narrative I'm accusing you of building. You clearly understand that most of us think N_M is town and you clearly understand that this is N_M's playstyle. You know he is not going to budge. Yet, you justify a vote by the quote below. In order to make the wagon and lynch appear more credible, you conjure up some extremely weak reasoning - I mentioned this briefly in the other post, let met expand on it:

What I will initially say is

MAJOR fos

on NM for
1. Lurking yesterday
2. Being put on a lynch block w/other people
3. Immediately lynching another person without reasoning

To clarify, he immediately lynched another person

on that list

without giving reasoning, something lazy scum would do over picking a few people to push, fabricate reasoning, and start counterwagon attempts on them

by lynching I'm assuming you mean voting; moving along;
MAJOR FOS doesn't seem like what you mentioned more recently here, which is a lot milder.
It was in addition to this:

I didn't know hypo was a thing until today. I don't think it's useful at this point. I think it's PR fishing atm.
Hard figuring out if that's null or scummy.

Say Gimm, asides from wanting to Hypo, who do you think is scummy and would like to pressure currently?

Will tackle these in two independent posts; my reads when I have more time, but I will shoutout a fact that I want a NM lynch to test one thing.
You claimed multiple times that you could ‘hammer Moomn whenever you needed to’ - you hammered when a NM wagon was being built up. It seems logical that if NM is scum, you are a very potential partner for hammering Moomn out of fear of NM being CWed.
The reason I point out multiple times is that a scum would want to lay out a trail of their thoughts as to not be questioned on your decision: you went ahaid and did that. TLDR; If NM is scum Exilon is major FOS.

About hypoing, I don’t see the problem if everyone says ‘if doc, docced x; if Jailkeeper, jailkept y; if cop, z is town’; to me it only gives us information in case of a town PR death, without outing PRs.

I don't know what game have you been playing but at 2 hours left on the clock (which I noted), which is when I hammered Moomn, N_M's wagon still had only 3 votes and the risk of we getting a no lynch was extremely high, so for you to say that I hammered when a wagon was building up is disingenous at best and outright misleading at worst, and it comes up here very conveniently in order to push for a N_M lynch that you don't find that scum apparently despite the "MAJOR FOS" on him.

The worst part here is, you're FoS'ing people that you don't have as a strong scumread? It's the beginning of day 2 and you're already invoking flips as justification for a lynch?

You know what would help me, if you could post your actual reads as you said you would and we can go from there.

Find it funny that you said this, and then you directly

*sigh*

I'll take some time during the weekend to look at things a bit more properly.
For now VOTE: Not_Mafia

Why is he now a better lynch than yesterday?
Why did your read of him change?
Why was he lynchbait in the first place?

[Exilon]

Cause yesterday I thought Froce was scum

[Gimm1ck]

How did that affect NM’s reads? Did you townread NM, or just scumread Froce over NM?

[Exilon]

I both scumread Froce over NM and NM went for him