large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

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VOTE: sick

tunelling sucks :l

Greetings Town!Skygazer. I am currently betting you have a low investment value.

For future reference, low investment value = I think the slot will flip town.

I noticed you have moved off NB slot, and have asserted that you think Axe is town.

Approximately what are your current odds on each of those flips? I ask because, based purely on page 1, my go-to vote at this point would be Axe for the self-vote in RVS.

Thank you for taking this conference call.

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by the way im a power role so im not getting lynched today regardless of what your objective opinion is

I see that my predecessor claimed TPR, and I'd like to amend this now to say that my slot has the even-night modifier. Therefore, if you are a protective role, I encourage you to target someone else tonight, given that I will not have any useful information or results until day 3. Based on my role's power level, I suspect/hope that there is a more valuable tpr worth protecting for n1.

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Saw a few reasons to invest in KidAmn, Nero, Axe so far, maybe KidAmn and Axe ahead of the others

Not optimistic about investments in sky, bob, fumuki

Performer has permission to flip scum if necessary although I'm not ready to invest there yet

Not sure why Sky rates Nom as a low value investment option, but I'll hold until I think about that slot some more.

Hit page 20 and feeling Kid has very high investment potential

BUY: VOTE: KidAmn Coin

~~going back to page 20 to finish catchup, not opposed to Nero's Axe vote tho~~

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More or less caught up, although I didn't deeply dissect every post. Sky townread gets a little muddled in last few pages. Performer has a few gross posts. Glad that I'm townreading Flavor Leaf's predecessor so I don't have to think too much about him. Not entirely sure where the Buj wagon is coming from.

KidAmn seems like a really solid investment still.

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543 seems lynchbaity in a way that would slightly surprise me coming from Buj, but I suppose it's not impossible he's scum.

I thought your early play was fairly investable but my enthusiasm for your lynch tapered off as the day went on. TBH I kinda felt like I was on the same page as my predecessor regarding you, although I don't share his ending feelings toward Sky at this moment.

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hmm...i would normally guess just for the fun of it but ill keep that to myself, what did u think of ur own slot before joining? or did u answer and im blind.

Curious but how exactly is this helpful? Anyway, sure, I thought Saudade was pretty obviously town, but that is based on my familiarity with Saudade and I was not assuming he was widely townblocked due to his playstyle. Do you usually ask replacements about their predecessors?

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I look forward to seeing some hastily scraped together justification for this chainsaw for Sky (who I remain unconvinced by) in a day or so.

This seems like a pretty scummy overreaction to a vote based on my initial skim of the thread. Also you're incorrectly using buzzwords, given my read of Sky has basically nothing to do with my read of you.

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VOTE: TheWizard
There is no town roleblocker

You know this for sure? Lol.

VOTE: TheWizard

I believe Axe is asserting that based on his read, not implying he is informed.

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I know all people in all games at all times. I am the one and only Wagonomics.

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This 1v1 is stinky

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tbh this 1v1 is still stinky but I'm getting annoyed waiting days for wizard to even respond to it

VOTE: wizard

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l-3 btw

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Axe says you're lying about your random and unneccessary roleclaim, what a shock

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I'm Krazy, FL, you always gutread me as scum.

VOTE: kidamn

Why don't we go here? Or give me a reason why this is not the path FL

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I'm counting on it lol

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hi krazy im dad

Hey sky how u?

Before I read I thought you were town cause of long posts but then I realized your long posts were under a lot of pressure so hmm

How u read amn skydad?

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oh, no wonder wagon was scumreading me.

That's just cause you're always scum

Really tho I think I only scumread you in one game and that was when I got trolled by mod

Altho I suppose I did try to stand in the way of nancy's love of you in boon's game, but that's cause you were scum lol

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Sure, guy who says this is a mechanical 1v1 that demands a day 1 lynch but hasn't actually claimed that then calls people who observe that's insane are "rolefishing" all you've proven, if you're town, is that wizard lied about his role. Is that enough to lynch him from your perspective? Maybe, but the people you're shading about not seeing this as an automatic 1v1 are all people who have a lot of experience with town fakeclaiming day 1. Given wiz claimed totally randomly this 1v1 is not exactly a surefire bet or even particularly stronger than a toneread in my book lol

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VOTE: axe

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Well, that's an omgus right there.

Cool post

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So yeah, can we just lynch TheWizard and quick lynch his scum buddy tomorrow, this game is awful... One scum left to find.

This is scum

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It's weird that you think wiz flipping town means axe would be lynched

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So yeah, can we just lynch TheWizard and quick lynch his scum buddy tomorrow, this game is awful... One scum left to find.

This is scum

This was sarcasm btw, I mostly just think axe should be lynched because his reasoning is surfacelevel garbage and he's probably going to make town lose. I'm indifferent about wiz's alignment but the 1v1 is almost certainly some sort of asinine gambit even if wiz is scum. Axe spewing surfacelevel garbage can be scum even if this is a slightly more convoluted gambit than I'd expect from scum

VOTE: nomnom

"That was an omgus" post was also awful and I'm feeling kneejerky

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It's weird that you think wiz flipping town means axe would be lynched

Axe literally said it? That’s pretty strong evidence to believe him for me tbh.

People who say this almost never actually get lynched the next day, for better or worse.

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Like I understand it is very weird but Wizard did reiterate the claim and for me this goes well past town fake-claiming territory.

A person barely reading the thread doubled down on their pointless fakeclaim gambit

How is that at all "past fakeclaim territory" when they claimed for literally no reason

wiz could be scum but if so I'd say he's scum for the dumb marine copypasta meme than this 1v1 bs

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So yeah, can we just lynch TheWizard and quick lynch his scum buddy tomorrow, this game is awful... One scum left to find.

This is scum

This was sarcasm btw, I mostly just think axe should be lynched because his reasoning is surfacelevel garbage and he's probably going to make town lose. I'm indifferent about wiz's alignment but the 1v1 is almost certainly some sort of asinine gambit even if wiz is scum. Axe spewing surfacelevel garbage can be scum even if this is a slightly more convoluted gambit than I'd expect from scum

VOTE: nomnom

"That was an omgus" post was also awful and I'm feeling kneejerky

How is that awful when I described what you were doing?
Are you alright? You seem like you need some fresh hair.

Probably.im pretty jetlagged rn

But you commenting on what I was doing without intervening seemed scummy in the moment

VOTE: kidamn

Overreaction to my opening vote and complaining about lack of case is still scummy

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Amn: I didn't like the post where you voted sky which is probably the only post for you that is ai

Why do you think there would be a long case on you when your iso is 90% active lurking?

Why do you think I care if you vote me when I think you are scum?

Your iso is: nothing, nothing, scummy sky vote, overreaction to me voting you. That's the entire thing.

You can't complain about me commenting on your overreaction when that's 50% of your iso

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Just not feeling it, you know. Going all on gut

Been years with my alts, and I’m only now starting to alt slip.

It's okay, so long as you still have that boon charisma

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Seriously tho can someone vig this guy if we're not gonna lynch him

The people standing up to your moonlogic preflips are not two thirds of the scum team, we're all probably town and we all can't stand you

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As much as I would love to lynch you despite thinking you're just insufferable town, I doubt I could push that through

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Anyone have familiairity with sick?

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I guess general questions are ignored at this point in the fiesta

Nom you ever play with sick? What you think of that slot?

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Roster what's your read of sick?

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prodding sickofit

You're right, I'm asking because I haven't settled on a sort for that slot yet. When he was here did he seem townie? I ask as someone who hasn't had real time interactions with him yet

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At least we're in a normal so axe isn't a lyncher/jester

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im wondering why u would out ur meta read on me this early in the game or at all considering u could just wait and see if i longpost more or wait for me to be conftown

eh I entered the game calling you town sky and realized that my read wasn't that strong actually

I actually hadn't processed the claim at that point, friendly neighbor would be a wild fakeclaim

I think you probably are townsky tho now so I'm almost back to where I was before

I think boon/you/me is a townblock
Nero I think is almost there but since I'm still butthurt from extra I'll need to sift that a bit more but probably

Axe probably has a green role pm but I'm not bothering to call him town rn

Roster decent probtown read even tho the "axe lynch on wiz greenflip" bugged me a bit, still above average town equity

I'm relatively close to your PoE from midgame ... I think a few more confident reads there and we can get the game pretty solvable before lylo

Nom and rui are town candidates altho I have little familiairity with either

Feel like at least 2 scum are playing to be forgettable, so we need to sort the lurky forgettable town from the lurky forgettable scum at some point. sick could go either way here but I frankly have no idea how to sort that slot better quite yet, your push there did make me think about it some though

Wiz I am honestly not sure on, I probably would be fine with that slot going because of the copypasta if it was literally anyone other than axe pushing it

Kid/ELA/Wiz/sick who else am I forgetting that is in the "sort the low impact slots from each other" pr iority pile ... Oh yeah rui and nom kinda fall into this I think I just sorta leaned town on them for a minut e but need to solidify

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Oh right bujaber/performer/bob

Sad day when I temporarily forget performer is in the game

I do thi nk bujaber has decent equity for how he responded to the 1v1 but you moved off buj for sick right? Is sick still lower than buj for you?

Let's reread bob real fast

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in 136 sick is asking all of us why we were voting nom.

in 143 I explain that I was RVS voting her or joining a RVS wagon or whatever you want to call it.

in 152 you voted me for not giving a reason.

In 155 I requoted 143 and told you it was my reasoning.

UNVOTE:

Thank you thats all i originaly asked for. Was that hard

You need to make in your posts more references to what it relates too. otherwise things get missed as how will anyone know that 143 regards to your nom vote otehr than sick

That experince is why the few players that are lurkign are makign me uneasy. The games often resulted in a lurkign slugfest with 1/2 that were active either turnign on teh lurkers and them turnign out town or turnign on each other and it would turn out soem of the lurkers were mafia.

it seems to me you scumread wizard

This is exactly the sort thing im talking about. Poping up with a superficial comment just to make it look like your are contributing.


P.s. the last bit of my last post was about eve

vote

These could be AI maybe

which way does this slot swing for you guys?

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town: saud, sky, nero, notanaxe, nomnom, eevee, bob

null: kid

Sell me on those last 4 reads when you can perf

Toownblocking the real town and not townblocking the scum in nom/ela/bob is probably gamewinning

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It's funny that your only objection to voting TheWizard is that you don't like my play style... Despite the fact that your PoE is entirely off the wagon.

Sounds like an accurate description of how I feel about this game rn

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Did kid just accuse BOON of setting up chain lynches?

Are we reading the same game? LOL

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Also 930 was a play on words

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How good do you feel about nom? 75%? Or lower?

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How good do you feel about nom? 75%? Or lower?

enough to not wanna lynch them today but i could also be reading too much into things to arrive at the reasons ive arrived at

Alright I think we're on the same page

Townlean there but need to solidify. I'm just not quite ready to townblock that slot but I think it's still an above average candidate

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Sickofit has triggered my secret scum tell alarm. Just saying this now for bragging rights. I'm not giving away my tell. (Also the sample size is still too small to make conclusions from and if it's no longer secret scum would probably stop doing it)

Buj what day do we lynch sick and why that day?

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How u doin sick? Hit us with some reads when you get caught up

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Y did u claim at all tho?

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i think i was liking buj more recently but i should reread that interaction where i unvoted him

any feelings on this? Still feel good with the move off?

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You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

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You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

I take it back, go back to the mediocre economics jokes

How long you gonna ride this omgus to avoid discussing anyone else in the thread btw?

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Idk why is kid's slot still alive?

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I'll build a case on TheWizard while waiting for skygazer to defend himself.

1. You never claim role blocker as VT (Unless you're really bad - in which case lynch is fine)
2. You never claim role blocker as role blocker unless you're getting lynched (Unless you're really bad - in which case the anti-town aspect of role blocker might lead me into the conclusion of point 1)
3. Claiming role blocker as mafia can be OK because you protect yourself from lynch while also likely not claiming the strongest power in the game, allowing you to justify the lack of NK against you. (It's still really bad unless you're actually in a bad spot)

Do we understand now claiming role blocker post 1 and following up with shit is just REALLY bad?

Okay, so I'm also ok with lynching here, but I think skygazer should be today's priority target.

Axe's real reasoning:

If wiz is scum he gets to lynch scum

If wiz is town it's better to just lynch stupid now and if he get's lynched as a result might as well get out of the game than carry a heavy town

There's probably 0% chance he's not gambiting on this mechanical claim

That does not make wizard town btw, it just means sheeping wiz thinking there is a mechanical result here is dumb af

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Why is Wiz town?

I have actual reasons, but I can’t talk about them right now

Are you turning into the duck?

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Suck my diiiick
Suck my diiiiiiiiiiiick
VOTE: Nero Cain
Suck my diiiiiick

Why the fuck are ppl claiming.

Unfortunately Kid there will be no dick sucking. Yes, I am the hated straight white male. Sorry to disappoint you.

Well it was a random vote... but now it's

personal

Everyone is lynchbait especially

American straight white males

sheep me i am the best scumhunter in 2020

Not realy ironic concidering i was reading through the chronological and as you say your last joke post was still after your vote for nom. And i never foudn post with your reasons for it. All I can find is forum post 148 but i dont have clue who your talking about.

If thats your reason for voting for nom. I happy to remove my vote on you as atleast ist a reason. Oh and can poeple reference who tehr refering too as it can make teh thread hard to follow

This stinks of backpedalling after trying to hop on something that wasn't really there to begin with and the reasoning for it feels like a real scrape. Not a fan of it.

UNVOTE:

i think i get it

VOTE: buj

come back pls ):

buj help me TR you please

im TRing axe/nom for reasons. I had Saudade as obvtown until i had a reason to TR them. i could be completely wrong on axe/nom if im reading too much into things but i dont think i am? im just really confused by my wagon cause all three seem so town

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Skygazer

Other thoughts:

Wizard's ISO has exactly zero of value in it apart from the RB claim (real or not, they've never addressed this) and an OMGUS on Axe. 99.99% odds they're either not an RB, not town, or both

Oof reading thru Eevee's iso and it's pretty bad.
1st half is not content
2nd half is mixed between empty questions and just bad content
I'm probably gonna vote here lemme check vote count first tho, because tbh this game is a bore keeping up with

This is accurate.

Roster's ISO is similarly utterly devoid of content and just poking at random people with "minimal reasons", promising to "start trying soon", lots of bouncing around and not anything of actual value

Sky/Wizard/Eevee/Roster is where I'd expect to find scum today, wasn't hot on Fumuki but given their apparent flake will w&s on that slot

I get it now, kid thinks that people can't read isos on their own and that quoting 4 posts is a "case"

Here's amn's literal entire iso before my entrance

Here's amn' iso after my entrance:

'whaaah whaah why are you voting me '

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I'm willing to sheep Krazy and Flava Leaf and absolve myself if Wiz is scum.

I
I mean I was just thinking to myself 'if there was a name for what axe is doing here, I would call it The Nero Cain"

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In what world is 476 townie

That is literally what moves her from lynchbait to scum in my book

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rude!

what can I say, Espeonage's game was my first one when coming back to the site lol

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VOTE: nomnomnom

Bad entrance

VOTE: notanaxehole

These were bad on page 1

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VOTE: notanaxehole

I guess some habits die old

Isn't it old habits die hard?

I am the town roleblocker.

Fumuki is the 'what' instead of 'which' intentional, or do you have autocorrect?

Based on posts so far I definitely don't fit in with this group of personalities.

VOTE: notanaxehole
Anyone who knows me knows I'm MS's janitor on a one-man quest to eradicate self-votes.
Also lately MS players have been shit at day 1, and have shown absolutely no respect to how important it is, so whatever. At least I would have voted the morally right way.

These were bad on page 2

My problem here is that axe pushing wiz for having a garbage iso would probably be fine if it wasn't for the mech claim that he probably only made to break inertia

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In what world is 476 townie

That is literally what moves her from lynchbait to scum in my book

She correctly identified 4 isos that were the same instead of just latching onto 1 of the lurker wagons.

But she puts the vote in the middle which is not what town does

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I don't get how people are stating "x is town" already with what's been posted so far.

For instance it appears there's a lot of joke posting, along with "I'm a PR/specific PR" posts, which sounds like messing around a lot. First impression is that it's null, can't get a good enough read from that yet. Could be town gambiting or scum gambiting.

Performer is town and I didn't even read his post.

Suck my diiiick
Suck my diiiiiiiiiiiick
VOTE: Nero Cain
Suck my diiiiiick

Why the fuck are ppl claiming.

Unfortunately Kid there will be no dick sucking. Yes, I am the hated straight white male. Sorry to disappoint you.

There are a lot of posts I hate by page 3

There is too much lynchbait in this game

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Nero I townread later but his opening was still gross

Axe... Has a thought process that is hard for a lot of scum to mimic but could still be scum if he comes from the rb school of spamming bullshit

Buj and sick includes 1 scum prolly

maybe 2 in kid/performer/wiz/axe, but there could be 3 mislynchbait in that group

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Voting someone based off 4 quotes and then talking about 2 other people is not how town writes a vote post about 75% of the time. Town puts the vote at the end of the post or the top

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1056?

Nero how do we townread the mislynchbait in my lynchpool before this day ends?

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Oh I mean omgusing people and then townreading them after like 5 posts

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Actually I keep wanting to not reread axe's iso but trying to explain what I mean makes me want to lynch him again.... Not necessarily because I'm sure he's scum tho, but more I think town ev goes up with him dead

I think I disagree with all his reads at every stage of the game... I am tempted to townread him for the oush on wiz because I think he's bullshitting it. It's hard to explain and with no meta I wouldn't mind if he was lynched but he did taste townie at times when I was poking him on Friday

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NerfedBuJ, KidAmn, NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, Performer, TheWizard, bob3141, Sickofit11

there's at least 4 town in this pool of players

Buj I come and go on
Kid has a trash iso and now is tunneling me in a scummy overreaction in observong her iso is hot garbage
Axe started with a self vote and made awful pushes in every direction all day and is now probably doing a bullshit gambit on his wiz read
Roater agreed with things that were complete rubbish early game but I think I townread later but rereading early game gives me doubts
Performer complained about people having strong early game reads lol wtf
Wiz... Has been discussed
Bob is who I have 3 separate times forgotten was in the game
Don't like sick in rvs

Need at least 4 town out of this lot

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517 was a moldy bag of tomatoes what are you talking about Buj

A) you don't bitch about someone who just entered the game casing you
B) it's more informative if I see who agrees with my read before casing
C) her iso was garbage and expecting a case other than 'i read the iso' is insane

Complaining about my push for her entire iso since my push started does in no way shape or form make her even slightly more town

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VOTE: RuiRui

Performer is town.

VOTE: Nom

I don't like this part of roster's iso, the performer read in particular seems fake

But roster does usually read as like 60% scum when he's town and I'm not sure this is above baseline for him

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Axe vs wizard still stinks to high heaven. I do not get why axe as scum goes for such lhf thru a mech attack tho. Doesn't mean axe is town, just means if he's scum I don't get his strat yet

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I believe you buy your read of 517 so there's that at least

That doesn't mean 517 is at all TI or nearly as incisive or deep as you seem to think. amn got pushback on her vote and defended her vote. Nothing there seems unlikely to come from scum amn

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After Sky claimed and she was no longer going to get lynched he (axe) was tied for the leading wagon, it was then that he claimed his guilty. It doesn't seem that impossible to me that scum him would fake claim a guilty just to get one use out of his night action.

???

I
Yeah I saw that theory. Idk see if you can convince skygazer, I need to think about it some more and reread that part in context

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Vote count 1.6

NerfedBuj (4):

Nero Cain, Performer, Skygazer, NotAnAxehole

NotAnAxehole (2):

TheWizard, NerfedBuJ

Skygazer (1):

KidAmn

Performer (1):

RuiRui

EeveeLution Army (1):

Sickofit1138

nomnomnom (1):

Flavor Leaf

rosterfoster (1):

EeveeLution Army

Nero Cain (1):

rosterfoster

Sickofit1138 (1):

nomnomnom

not voting (2):

Saudade, bob3141

with 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. day 1 ends may 6th at 19:20 central US time; in (expired on 2019-05-06 19:20:00)

mod notes

• seeking replacement for saudade (for the future: note that site rules stipulate replacement is carried out by PM)
  
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VOTE: sick

tunelling sucks :l

VOTE: axe

VOTE: TheWizard
There is no town roleblocker

Nero is obviously town.

Axe is obviously scum.

My town roleblocker claim is entirely serious.

Sorry for ordering

Anyway nero you really think axe panicked being tied at 3 votes from your naked vote? I mean maybe but I think if axe is gambiting he just saw 690 and decided he was going to push that slot for whatever reason

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Performer don't town frequently tunnel you cause you're so often scummy?

How strong you feel on buj?

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You can't deny you've been kinda low impact this game. Usually I would have a decent townread on you by now I think... well except in extra but iirc there were some hydra things there messing with my read

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Can you be more specific on what looks like genuine solving from ela?

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@perf

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scum would need some insane firepower in order for a town roleblocker to even start making the least bit of sense.

I mean it's a schadd game... setup spec day 1 is weak af

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12 town and 3 mafia, people.

Snap nom read the op

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Still catching up from the massive explosion in the past several hours for posts...

Why does scum claim roleblocker though?

Part of me has started wondering if it's because there are 2 anti-town teams, which is allowed in normal games. As in there could be 2 scum teams (maybe 2 scum, and 2 scum) or 1 scum team (like 3 scum) with 1 sk. So, thewiz claiming town rb could be serial killer rb or scum 1-shot rb or some crazy thing. But I think there are better candidates than thewiz today because if we lynch that and he DOES turn out to be town rb, that would be awful.

Quality wifom if this isn't a legit townslip

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Friendly neighbor is weaker than IC and my role is not so strong that it would preclude a town roleblocker. Also friendly neighbor has negative synnergy with town roleblocker.

Still not saying wiz is town, just think setup spec is weak

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Tbh I'm not opposed to one of you going today and I think I would rather see wiz go than you at the moment.

I think Performer maybe town... maybe need to decide on if that's a legit townslip.

Someone convince me bob and ela are town and I think my lynchpool is small enough for day 1 to end

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Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

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EeveeLution Army = ELA

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NerfedBuJ, KidAmn, TheWizard, RuiRui, bob3141, Sickofit1138, ELA

With bob and ela contenders for town.

Leaves me with 3 scum in 5 names. I kinda don't like rui for scum but I haven't analyzed him deeply enough to rebut performer atm.

That being said wiz would not be my first pick in those remaining 5 names but it seems like not a lot are on board with a kid lynch

I think if we bracketed off axe and his tunnel I'd say today's lynch should be in sick and buj.

But I'm not actually sure which of the two is scum, maybe sick, I just kinda feel like there's a scum in those two. Maybe sick. Hmmm.

I don't feel strongly enough to stop a wiz lynch tho. Meh.