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[bob3141]

She never said she was a loyal friendly neighbour?

Kind of assumed from her sayign today disloyal freidnly neigbour. That she must of claimed loyal or something.

Been 2 days sicne ive looked at the forum

Your posts and votes feel like opportunism since the start and your latest reason to vote Sky was the proof of it.

If you flip as anything else than scum I will be shocked.

My reason for voting for sky is that no one can confirm it. And I plain just dont belive him

He as looking liek scum to me a start of yesterday and end yesterday (game day)

YOu however nom have just been jumping on what ever wagon axe does

Except Axe has been following my vote this time around, so you are mistaken.

If we lynch you and that you flip scum, she is basically confirmed as fn given your opportunistic vote, which basically hard solves the game for town and this is how we win.

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning. Whiel yesterdays were mostly that you agreed with axe

[nomnomnom]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

[bob3141]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

There is a difference between lying and belivign something that isnt true. Reading back I dont get were I got loyal from as sky did "friendly neighbor". Some how after reading disloyal and then reading in the wiki what it and the opposite loyal meant. The incorrect fact that sky c;aimed loyal freidnly neigbout got stuck in my head.

Ive only ever played with teh game modifier liek insane and sane so had no clue what it meant.


However, it played little part in my chocie to vote sky and wasnt meant to promote his lynch. The Reason I vote for him is as I said , no one has confirmed him and i feel its just to convient.

[nomnomnom]

You say my votes opportunistic yet they have follwed a path of reasoning

You used fake information to push a vote on sky and you outright lied about the game state to push that vote. Sky did not claim anything else than "friendly neighbor" yesterday, yet the reason for your vote is that she claimed loyal instead of disloyal.

That's opportunism.

There is a difference between lying and belivign something that isnt true. Reading back I dont get were I got loyal from as sky did "friendly neighbor". Some how after reading disloyal and then reading in the wiki what it and the opposite loyal meant. The incorrect fact that sky c;aimed loyal freidnly neigbout got stuck in my head.

Ive only ever played with teh game modifier liek insane and sane so had no clue what it meant.


However, it played little part in my chocie to vote sky and wasnt meant to promote his lynch. The Reason I vote for him is as I said , no one has confirmed him and i feel its just to convient.

I want your reads list right now, with explanations.

[Performer]

Also, I'd like a full claim from Flavor Leaf no bullshit, because I will know. I called the BS correctly from TheWizard.

I will just say, anyone who is VT should not claim PR. It is never good for anything other than trolling.

If you are VT and you fake claim, you will be lynched.

I guess on retrospection, thewiz was doing that to hopefully draw an nk but the way he went about it was ridiculous and it ended up in his lynch.
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Why are we talking about claims in day 2?

And I didn't receive anything sky.

BuJ is town

assuming i'll be wagoned and flipped it'll be extremely obvious why soon

if im not wagoned and flipped then it'd be too much info for scum to say why

so hold on...buj received nothing from sky, sky said buj is town, then buj voted notanaxe??

[Performer]

i kind of did spew too much didnt i

im disloyal friendly neighbor

Yeah that’s a remarkably convenient claim.

It does almost make me think whether this is setup WIFOM but most likely Sky is just scum.

the fact that I've been in a large where scum literally fake claimed disloyal , sky survived n1, and now she adds that she's got this modifier but didn't tell us on d1...just doesn't add up.

[Performer]

i mean

why would i set myself up to get mislynched d2 as scum

i wouldnt

but at the time staying alive to get at least one result was most important, if i had retracted and claimed VT i would've been instalynched and we'd lose that one result

VOTE: sky

so now you're giving up with a self vote, which is also fishy

Problem is, if you're REALLY a disloyal FN, scum will need to kill you asap anyway because you're too valuable.

Overall the fact that the wagon on you built so fast, is also incredibly suspicious.
What are your reads right now.
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Other thoughts: if the pg 49 between sky/roster/buj is some scum theater, then 10/10 because wow.

townblock currently: eevee mostly due to 453, nero, notanaxe, nomnom, interaction on pg 32 between wagon & FL point me to believing FL is town

[rosterfoster]

Sorry but why would she claim disloyal? It literally makes no sense to do so.

I do feel the claim is very convenient, but on the other hand if bob flips scum he seemed way too eager to jump on for that to be SvS

Pedit: After claiming disloyal is useless.

[rosterfoster]

Loyal would townclear. Disloyal is useles once the cat’s out the proverbial bag (this is another reason the claim is convenient for scum).

[Performer]

Sorry but why would she claim disloyal? It literally makes no sense to do so.

I do feel the claim is very convenient, but on the other hand if bob flips scum he seemed way too eager to jump on for that to be SvS

Pedit: After claiming disloyal is useless.

I'm scumreading bob for the interactions and fishy reads list on pg 47.


This d2 just began and it would be too quick to end it so soon, when there are people who haven't posted yet. My suggestion - Can we wait until everyone posted at least once before ending it. Until then, my intent is to vote bob.

[Performer]

Loyal would townclear. Disloyal is useles once the cat’s out the proverbial bag (this is another reason the claim is convenient for scum).

For now I'm going to put them at null after what's happened. by going with her result, we have a smaller poe so that's good to work with.

[Performer]

vc 1.5 (note the below votes were BEFORE sky's FN claim)

Skygazer (4): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Saudade, KidAmn (roster, nerfed, bob added their votes after vc 1.5 was posted)
NotAnAxehole (2): NerfedBuJ , TheWizard
Performer (2): RuiRui, rosterfoster
EeveeLution Army (1): Nero Cain, then voted notanaxe
Flavor Leaf (1): Sickofit1138, then voted eevee
nomnomnom (1): Flavor Leaf
NerfedBuj (1): Skygazer
RuiRui(1): Performer
rosterfoster (1): EeveeLution Army
TheWizard (1): bob3141

Sky claimed FN right after she got to unannounced L-1 from bob's latest vote on her.
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eod 1 vc:

TheWizard (8): NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom, EeveeLution Army, bob3141, Sickofit1138, Skygazer
NerfedBuj (2): Nero Cain, Performer
NotAnAxehole (2): TheWizard, Flavor Leaf
Performer (1): RuiRui
KidAmn (1): Wagonomics
Wagonomics (1): KidAmn

not voting (0):
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Analyzing the above two vcs, first impression is that the team could be in bob/rui/sickof/kidam/roster (less confident on roster compared to others listed).

[Skygazer]

Conftown

Skygazer (that's me!!)
NerfedBuJ (cleared by me)

Strong Town

Flavor Leaf - Don't know how to read him but I'm trusting Krazy when he said FL could go into our town block, I townread Fumuki anyways so
Nero Cain - Playing to his town meta, I haven't really seen anything that seems like a scum play so far
NotAnAxehole - I forgot that Krazy was so strongly townreading this slot. Also after more posts from today I don't think I'm reading too much into things anymore. Also I think Axe spewed himself as town for aggressively misunderstanding my claim
nomnomnom - I don't feel like they'd play this aggressively here as scum. Also see above at my Axe read.

Weak Town

rosterfoster - Still don't know how to read him that well. I'd look into this slot more if bob flips town for whatever reason but I don't really have anything to go off of other than I don't exactlyyyy like how roster is continuing to defend my claim for me while simultaneously throwing shade
Performer - Like his posts, I don't think scum-him comes into today throwing shade after the sudden shift from me to bob, especially considering bob got voted up for opportunistically voting me. I think scum-Perf would see why bob got voted up and avoid mentioning my slot as much as he has

Scum Leans

KidAmn - still don't like their push on me yesterday, they were the first one that felt the need to actually justify voting for me yesterday and their justification was p meh and comes across as an opportunistic wagon hop-on
RuiRui - lurky, BuJ push seems like lynchbait now that I have a clear there
EeveeLution Army - lurky, reminds me somewhat of dram where we were scum together

Scum

Sickofit1138 - Still not liking him after yesterday. Him just coming into D2 saying we should never lynch me doesn't make much sense, I'd expect some skepticism there from town but instead I got some tmi buddying
bob3141 - Don't like his vote on me, feels opportunistic especially with his nonsensical explanation for it

[NotAnAxehole]

Conftown

Skygazer (that's me!!)
NerfedBuJ (cleared by me)

Strong Town

Flavor Leaf - Don't know how to read him but I'm trusting Krazy when he said FL could go into our town block, I townread Fumuki anyways so
Nero Cain - Playing to his town meta, I haven't really seen anything that seems like a scum play so far
NotAnAxehole - I forgot that Krazy was so strongly townreading this slot. Also after more posts from today I don't think I'm reading too much into things anymore. Also I think Axe spewed himself as town for aggressively misunderstanding my claim
nomnomnom - I don't feel like they'd play this aggressively here as scum. Also see above at my Axe read.

Weak Town

rosterfoster - Still don't know how to read him that well. I'd look into this slot more if bob flips town for whatever reason but I don't really have anything to go off of other than I don't exactlyyyy like how roster is continuing to defend my claim for me while simultaneously throwing shade
Performer - Like his posts, I don't think scum-him comes into today throwing shade after the sudden shift from me to bob, especially considering bob got voted up for opportunistically voting me. I think scum-Perf would see why bob got voted up and avoid mentioning my slot as much as he has

Scum Leans

KidAmn - still don't like their push on me yesterday, they were the first one that felt the need to actually justify voting for me yesterday and their justification was p meh and comes across as an opportunistic wagon hop-on
RuiRui - lurky, BuJ push seems like lynchbait now that I have a clear there
EeveeLution Army - lurky, reminds me somewhat of dram where we were scum together

Scum

Sickofit1138 - Still not liking him after yesterday. Him just coming into D2 saying we should never lynch me doesn't make much sense, I'd expect some skepticism there from town but instead I got some tmi buddying
bob3141 - Don't like his vote on me, feels opportunistic especially with his nonsensical explanation for it

You think Bob and sick can be scum together?

[Skygazer]

bob mentioned zero reads on sick in their posts so far

sick agreed w bob's read on me D1 and then jumped on bob mid wagon today which could easily be a distancing thing considering bob suddenly became the most likely lynch for today

it makes sense, I think scum would jump ship and bus bob midwagon so

[Nero Cain]

Is Bob's play all that different than yesterday when he jumped on me for not explaining nom vote, even though I did? Are Bob and Axe scum since Axe disliked my Bob push?

[nomnomnom]

Is Bob's play all that different than yesterday when he jumped on me for not explaining nom vote, even though I did? Are Bob and Axe scum since Axe disliked my Bob push?

I don't think it is, but here Bob's play is blatantly anti-town.

[Nero Cain]

if it's no different why is he getting more heat today than yesterday?

Also, why is his play "anti-town" rather than scummy?

[Flavor Leaf]

At least I’m conf town now

[KidAmn]

I not would be surprised if Wizard/Axe was TvT all along.

i mean

why would i set myself up to get mislynched d2 as scum

i wouldnt

but at the time staying alive to get at least one result was most important, if i had retracted and claimed VT i would've been instalynched and we'd lose that one result

VOTE: sky

kind of obvious why i would check buj there, was wagon's strongest SR and i was going back and forth and just wanted peace of mind on the slot

I'd also like to understand why wag's scumread was the most important to check, given that he only died tonight...

Is that a slip?

krazy was the best player here and i had a heavy TR on his slot

of course im gonna check his SR

This is unconstructive nonsense, as is attacking me for justifying my vote on you while also attacking me for not properly justifying my vote on you.

Need to reread.

PEdit: "anti-town" after D1 is the dogwhistle of scum with no good lynches going after lazy townies.
PEdit2: [citation needed]

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyone who knows me well against me just trollin’ it out until it’s time for deep solves?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flavor of the Future

[Flavor Leaf]

Put Performer a step up on that list

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t agree with the nomnom or the chicken just yet.

[Nero Cain]

Anyone who knows me well against me just trollin’ it out until it’s time for deep solves?

but what if you die?!? lead us Boon!