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[u r a person 2]

like, im flailing a lil bit here

no one looks overtly scummy, but reading the iso again i can see what you mean about his push on you being genuine

how solid are you feeling in your reads right now skitter?

[skitter30]

uh not that great really
i don't really have scumreads rn

that's why i'm pushing on my nullreads

although my read on exilon has worsened during this last exchange with him .... i'm kinda weirded out that he called my post gaslighting?

[u r a person 2]

uh not that great really
i don't really have scumreads rn

that's why i'm pushing on my nullreads

although my read on exilon has worsened during this last exchange with him .... i'm kinda weirded out that he called my post gaslighting?

yeah that was weird but i don't know from which alignment weird

if you had said you loved your reads i'd have just sheeped you

like, im not super confident in anything i've been pushing regardless of the confidence I may have expressed

[tris]

VC 2.05

Sashaddin (3):

bob3141 887, Garmr 1022

Egix96 (2):

Exilon 1043, u r a person 2 1058

Garmr (1):

Sashaddin 860

Exilon (1):

skitter30 1160

bob3141 (1):

Ausuka 1191

Not Voting:

Lil Uzi Vert, Egix96, Inferno390 1030, High Risk Gamble 1170

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-05-17 19:00:00)

[High Risk Gamble]

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.
I'm sure that scum Egix votes Sash here as scum even if buddies together.

[u r a person 2]

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.
I'm sure that scum Egix votes Sash here as scum even if buddies together.

let's say i sheep skitter on you
and i sheep you on egix

give me some options for today's lynch

[High Risk Gamble]

UNVOTE: Skitter

why don't u think i'm scum anymore?
what do u think of exilon?

Well I still a few marked up to read but you seem very one tracked minded and a lot more direct as scum. I'm sure the effort if pit in 100% but you come off as less caring to how the game state is as scum.

Here although I'm disagreeing with a lot of what your saying the posting style is very different and although I think the questions look/appear like they lack genuine attitude you're not just sitting on a read and trying to skim by.

I'm confident enough to not vote you for now.

Exilon I really like as town.

[High Risk Gamble]

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.
I'm sure that scum Egix votes Sash here as scum even if buddies together.

let's say i sheep skitter on you
and i sheep you on egix

give me some options for today's lynch

Sorry my uber turned up.
Bob or Ausuka. Both promising lynches but I really need to stop being lazy and explain why.

Also I thought you had Skitter as town already?

[u r a person 2]

i do. I was saying, let's say that I sheep skitter's town read on you

[Exilon]

and drawing conclusions, obviously.

a) i'm not gaslighting you, that's kind of a weird thing ot accuse me tbh? like why do you think i'm lying to you about your motives/analysis instead of just ... sharing what i think about it?

b) no offense but i don't think any of the conclusions you draw are really like ... noteworthy, or indicative of original town thought. they're all a lot more summarize-y than anything else

a) #ISaidIFelt
What I meant is I feel you're dismissing the analysis in a way that comes across as a bit dishonest to me. At certain points you agree with the analysis I make but you still don't see the conclusions as more likely and while it's all a a bit ambiguous (in the sense is actions can be mostly seen from both perspectives it seems), your conclusion to the content is basically "well I can see town doing that, sooooooooooooo"
Which is basically the argument you bring up for me, "I can see myself making posts like that as scum, sooooooo", (which is already terrible enough on its own, re: projecting) and then you vote for me, and not him, so it all feels like unfairly biased for what is essentially you being arbitrary about it. If we're both nullreads to you, what is tilting you to be pushing me instead of him? Projection? Bias? What am I missing here?

b) K, lol

YOUR OWN assumption is also not necessarily true, especially because two posts later in 167 his words are still aligned with a CDB scumread. And still voting for him.

my assumption might not be true, sure. yours might not be either, that's thing.
you'll also notice that i didn't say that egix said he wasn't scumreading channel anymore, but that i said i *coudln't tell* if egix was still scumreading channel. my point is that i couldn't tell what egix's read was and that i thus couldn't tell if whether or not your assumption was valid

Even without regarding the above, the worst part to me is how you ignore Egix's own words about the subject:

...
you do realize that 1130 is after 1128, right?
i hadn't read that far yet

I want to apologize for this, I confused the posts. Let me reframe the question, so hopefully you can address it:
His latest post confirms my interpretation and denies yours. Essentially, he was sheeping his top scumread. Town does this??

What do town do often? Sheep a wagon from their previously top scumread?
At that point IIRC Egix had been voting CDB, and his suspicion had been fading, but then he sheeps that vote? Like there aren't only 3 people in this game. Either CDB went from top scumread to top townread or something along those lines, and everyone inbetween was null and not worth trusting,

or Egix's own suspicion wasn't even that strong to begin with.

Which is fine and possibly town, but it's still a terrible look for him.

i think it was the bolded. and sure, it's a terrible look. i don't think it's inherently scummy tho; i think town do this sort of thing too (esp. in rvs when reads aren't necessarily established yet)

Bolded is analysis and interpretation, very obviously, so I don't even know what you're looking at here that makes you say that. You keep invoking this IIOA thing without regard to the purpose of the information which is really dismissive and akin to a fallacy fallacy.

it feels like a summary more than anything else to me

It's objectively not just a summary, so this looks like you're compelled to dismiss the whole thing because you don't want to have to address it too deeply.

To reiterate, I post a summary + analysis;
You say it's information instead of analysis, which is a content-argument;
I apply that logic to show it's not, disproving your claim, which should force you to reconsider it instead of dismissing it;
You change into an emotion-argument to keep dismissing it.

My point here isn't what is or isn't, it's how you're doing it.

And now you're strawmanning. My main conclusion is that the way he's been playing supports a scum agenda, which justifies a vote. It's literally there, written just outside of your bolding.

I do hope your vote isn't the byproduct of your projecting.

i disagree that anything you've written proves that egix's reads are just for show
you've shown that he's doing things that scum can do, sure. most of the things you've highlightd i also think are *entirely* possible to come from town, and i don't see any particularly reason to believe why it's more likely these things came from scum!egix than town!egix.
i don't think you've demonstrated scum motivation here (ie specifically in the sense of showing why you think this is *more* likely to come from scum than town).

what exactly do u mean by 'supporting a scum agenda'?

this circles back to the beginning so I won't repeat myself except to say I get that you find my case on Egix to be null-indicative at best.
By supporting a scum agenda I mean his actions have been harmful to town.

[Egix96]

But I doi have to say that I can see Bob being misguided town and for now that's where I'm leaning

Yeah I'm starting to see it too.

[Egix96]

Why doesn't egix look like scum here? @HRG

Because Egix isn't posting like scum him.

Are you willing to elaborate on this or nah?

[u r a person 2]

To reiterate, I post a summary + analysis;
You say it's information instead of analysis, which is a content-argument;
I apply that logic to show it's not, disproving your claim, which should force you to reconsider it instead of dismissing it;
You change into an emotion-argument to keep dismissing it.

that post was pretty iioa, tho

[u r a person 2]

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

[Inferno390]

I’m really behind and there’s way too much for me to sort rn
So someone talk to me

[u r a person 2]

I’m really behind and there’s way too much for me to sort rn
So someone talk to me

you posted like 80 posts ago. cant be that far behind

[Ausuka]

Could see anything off with his post ( no sort perceptive mistakes ) aswell as his reasoning for why he though CDB was NKed was consistant. Even if it could be applied to him and a few others. But since most players had publicly started taht they were town reading CBD (day one), it woudlnt realy have narrowed it down much.

So it was just that nothing was scummy about those particular posts?

[Ausuka]

ooooh it is ausuka scum, huh

VOTE: ausuka

I dunno how i missed the over-explaining

but this would also make a shit ton of sense for how I'm interpreting this gamestate rn

what do you mean by overexplaining?

Spoiler:

Looking over the entire thread, Alchemist has mostly had short comments and questions here and there so I don’t feel a real solid towniness from him. The fact that he agreed with umlauts conclusions raises him up a few townie points for me because umlaut is a TR in my mind.

Why is this worthy of a townread?

This post in particular pings me the wrong way...it almost feels like she’s trying to distance herself from RCE.

What part of this makes you think I'm distancing myself from RCE? I'm expressing a townread from him.

And if she didn’t really know who else to vote for, why put a vote on Siv? Simply because they have not responded?

"This specifically just feels fake. Sure, what he mentions is certainly a possibility, but I don't see any evidence that this actually happened rather than Hitalt legitimately just forgetting about S_S's vote. The last sentence just feels slimy tbh.

He also says he's voting Hitalt because there's a number of red flags but for whatever reason doesn't specify what those red flags are."
You quoted this post; what happened? Do you think it's not reasoning for my Siv vote?

Ausuka seems to me like someone playing scum really well

Can you provide evidence for this. What exactly in my play makes me "scum playing really well" rather than town? You mentioned me distancing myself from RCE, sure, although I don't see how that happened at all; is there anything else at all or is this it?

Honestly, the post from hitalt makes a lot of sense to me reading back over the thread. When I first read hitalt’s posts as he was writing them, they came across as scummy but I believe him when he said that he didn’t see SS’s self vote and his posts generally seem towny

I selfvoted because i could, because it sparks discussion, and because, aside from conspicuously not voting at all, its my mo

Fine enough.

VOTE: ausuka - time to activate.

What about 59 makes Hitalt town? It seems very NAI to me. Why did you even scumread them in the first place?

This post from RCE really rubs me the wrong way...a lot of his posts don’t have much content and again, he goes from voting me to voting Siv, whom I feel is the other easy mark.....not feeling crazy town vibes from RCE

If he's done scumhunting (which he has) does it matter so much if a few of his posts don't have much content? I don't really understand.

I understand why Siv made this vote- he himself had said before that hitalt was pinging him with red flags, but reading over it again, it seems like he might be buddying up to me because hitalt’s posts aren’t particularly scummy when you look at the entire thread...

You say you understand why Siv made this vote but you also seem to be saying you don't understand why Siv made this vote. I don't really understand this at all.

The other thing that bothers me about Siv is that he’s doing “well enough” and by that I mean, trying to seem just towny enough to get by. Kind of a lesser version of what ausuka is doing

Can you elaborate on how I'm just trying to seem towny enough to get by?

Why do you think voting Siv is an "easy mark" -> an easy ML but also think he's scum?

Rn I think Baezu is scum because:
1) I think her early game was kinda trying to blend in more than anything without much desire to scumhunt.

S_S and Fuscosco are obviously not scum together. Likewise S_S and HitAlt.

Why'd you put a vote down before you had an answer to your question?

Weird question. Why wait? When should someone put a vote down?

I found that weird also...It’s RVS why does he need to wait to cast his vote for you?

UNVOTE: umlaut

Liking his posts

I’m happy considering SS, ausuka and especially umlaut towny for now

In other news, methinks hitalt is seeming pretty scummy

She echoes Umlaut's question, unvotes him and gives pretty plain reads on the rest of the players. Like there isn't much scumhunting intent behind these posts and they look more like "I'm trying to post stuff that looks normal" than "I'm trying to find and lynch scum."

2) 146 and 156 seem weird to me. Like she just kind of votes FL and then unvotes? I feel like she's just trying to hop on the wagon and then unvotes once she realizes it's a serious thing?

3) Her scumread on me imo makes no sense. I'm trying to distance myself from RCE in a post where I unvote him? I don't think she's reading my posts that carefully if she's asking why I'm voting Siv; I made that clear in the same post that I voted him in the first place. These are the only two real points I see; anything else is kinda vague. She says that I seem like someone playing scum really well - but apparently this is just a compliment and not a point at all, so I think this is it, other than that my playstyle is "too perfect" - which just seems nonsensical. What even is a perfect playstyle anyway?
My suggestion as to why she'd do this as scum instead, is that she's being wagoned up and needs something to change. Her partner(s) may be lurky or have given up already. So, seeing herself in a tough spot, she may attempt to push a player she sees as obviously town, and then say this as a defense:

If ausuka does end up getting lynched and she does happen to be town, I'm pretty much getting lynched Day 2. As scum, I would not feel comfortable going after someone whom everyone sees as "so town" - losing a scum day 2 would seriously cripple the scum team. If I were scum, I'd put my vote where the majority of votes are going so as not to draw attention to myself

I think this is a more likely thought process than any town thought process behind her push.

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

mmm

I see you've already made up your mind about me, and so everything I say you're using to support your theory, which is fine, but I would encourage you to take those lenses off and actually read the content of my bigger posts

This also doesn't seem like something you say to your top scumread.

4) She seems very postury at points. Specifically:

I’m gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx

This honestly just screams fake to me.

Well, sounds like there’s a consensus. So why haven’t I been lynched yet? Make it happen, guys. I’m not going to vote myself. Wouldn’t everyone rather have actual concrete information with which to work tomorrow?

This isn't as fake as the quote above but I'm a little wary about how she seems to change to and from this mindset so quickly.

5) She says things like "I'm gonna laugh so hard when they lynch your scummy slot slaxx" and Slaxx is the more scumread of me and him I think. She even says at one point there should be a wagon on slaxx - why doesn't she ever try and make one happen?

6) Her mini-push on RCE is weird and doesn't feel like it comes from a town mindset. Like she says that he's likely to be scum because a lot of his posts don't have much content - I think this is a strange way to look at RCE rather than judging him by how much scumhunting he's done overall. She says this is subjective but like I don't really see how it is? Perhaps more importantly, she calls voting Siv an "easy mark" but she also has Siv as her second top scumread - surely she should be understanding where RCE is coming from on this rather than criticizing him for it? Like I don't get the attitude of calling a scumread an easy mislynch.

Can someone who townreads Baezu tell me why? If anyone explained it already I totally missed it but I don't think they have.

if you mean like, posting a lot about certain people and points - the spoiler above is me doing that as town in a different game.

[u r a person 2]

Yeah that's what I meant.

I'm not going to do a meta dive to see if it's really the same, I'm just not.

But if you're not scum, help me out here because this game state feels like we're no where close to landing on a scum lynch

and i think that gives you scum equity all on its own

[Ausuka]

i'm literally voting someone who you said you would vote. i've explained why they're scum here. what more do you want?

how is it metadiving if I literally give you the posts in a spoiler. you don't even need to actually read it, just notice that I post big posts as town too.

[u r a person 2]

i did read that, you're right that does look similar

[u r a person 2]

I meant that I'm not going to do a metadive to confirm. like 2 posts does not a meta read make

[Sashaddin]

I’m really behind and there’s way too much for me to sort rn
So someone talk to me

OK, what are your reads of Egix, Ausuka and Exilon?
Am I still in your lynchpool?

[tris]

Replacing Lil Uzi Vert

[Exilon]

Im vla until Tuesday, sorry guys