EVERYTHING IS COMPLETELY NORMAL (THE [GAME) OVER]

[Nero Cain]

im down to be a loyal miller bodyguard

[mastina]

Do you happen to know who DJ are? (I don't)

I mean one head looks a lot like one scummer I consider a friend but who probably doesn't reciprocate that feeling (even if they may have used to), a scummer who I'd call incredibly jaded, but eh, not sure it's them and even if it were I wouldn't call them town. They're a good scumhunter if they are the person that their posting looks dead-on identical to, but not foolproof and in this case if URAP were actually scum I'd be more inclined to call DJ's push there scum bussing than I would town locking onto scum.

[mastina]

do you then go into thread and say "hai gaiz i was just doin somd isos and boy this one is a reeeal doozy!"

like it's not doing isos (altho lol ok if you do) but presenting yourself doing isos so that you can "case" baezu in the first 12 hours... That is not town

The emphasis of the post is on finding a lack of town which is not a townie way to scumhunt; its a scummy way to mislynchhunt

-djk

i don't understand anything you're pushing about urap here. he didn't go into thread and say "look at me i've been doing ISOs"; in one post, he mentioned that there is nothing towny in baezu's iso. there's a huge difference in how natural it is and i'm not sure why you're presenting it in the way you are; i think if you scumread someone, checking through their iso and saying there's nothing towny in their iso is a perfectly reasonable thing to do?

Also justsayin'.

This looks like scum theater.

[mastina]

RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
Something_Smart
pisskop
RCEnigma
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ



Bottom of 31.

[pisskop]

Wheres your nullline mastina?

[Skygazer]

VC 1.17

CheekyTeeky (4): Nero Cain, RedFlavor, Chara, Lil Uzi Vert
u r a person 2 (3): DJ, CheekyTeeky, Baezu
RCEnigma (2): Flavor Leaf, Ausuka
DJ (2): singletonking, mastina
Vorkuta (2): SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis, RCEnigma
Alchemist21 (2): Almost50, Vorkuta
Almost50 (1): Alchemist21
Baezu (1): u r a person 2
mastina (1): pisskop

Not Voting (1): Something_Smart

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 to reach a lynch. Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-06-24 09:00:00).

[mastina]

And tbh those 20 pages probably need a reread.

I'd say "just watch what I quote, and you have a decent read of the game thread", but.

I kinda haven't had much to say on most things, so.

[mastina]

Alright time to get ready. RCE I'll race you for a readslist.

Speaking of:


RedFlavor
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
RCEnigma
Something_Smart
pisskop
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert
Alchemist21
u r a person 2
Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ




Bottom of 33.

[RedFlavor]

Why am I always your biggest townread?

[mastina]

I've forgotten what Mastina claimed already.

Yo. I'm an honorary masonizer. (Obviously not an actual one, because that's not Normal, but I am one in all but name.)

Have a modifier gating me, which is why I am not afraid to claim (if scum waste a roleblock on me each night, it outweighs the utility of my role; if scum kill me, they'll have wasted a kill), so no worries there.

Hit me up if you want to be my mason buddy. (Kinda wish Titus was in this game, because I could crumb my EXACT role to her. Oh well.)

I just can't take mastina + the word mason seriously anymore.

Hey I did say I'm not ACTUALLY a mason(izer). I mean my role functions a lot LIKE one but I'm not one and was very upfront about that fact.

Mastina you know I already know what honorary Masonizer means. This was meant to be.

Hey Alch.
You down for being the person I target when I can target?

[mastina]

RCE, your strongest scumread is a claimed mason. You don't buy his claim?

Obviously, my role doesn't mean there can't be masons in the game.
But if there

were

actual masons in the game?

Pretty sure as fuck Vorkuta's not one of them.

[mastina]

I've forgotten what Mastina claimed already.

Gated Masonizer.. kind of!

Apt description, yes.

Suffice to say: my role's not a role I need to claim; given time I can demonstrate it. And if I fail, then that in of itself is worth claiming, sooooo. Not something you need more details on.

[mastina]

Uh pisskop, you've seen me play scum. You're still the worst vote on the wagon.

I was almost gonna back this up given the likes of Nero and Chara and such on the wagon, buuuuuut...

VC 1.11

CheekyTeeky (5): Nero Cain, pisskop, RedFlavor,

Vorkuta

, Chara

...I can't.

He is the second-worst vote on the wagon tho.

[mastina]

I'm not going to bother reading Ausuka because that claim is always town. Same as Red.

Repeat after me.

Role(claim) != alignment.

(I mean yes I know mafia millers aren't Normal so a proven miller is proven town, but claiming miller != confirmed miller.)

[u r a person 2]

Why are you a nonfactor in this game, but so interactive in what appears to be most your other games?

The game is big

I'm keeping up and posting tho.

[DJ]

mastina not re-evaluating any part of her read of my slot after I started posting is not making me feel better about her.

Even for mastina and her insistence on spamming a reads list every page, usually there's like a narrative to go along with it. Just naked reads lists that show minimal movement on the important reads and provides no new information to town doesn't really seem like it's meant to help town understand her thought process.

Deciding whether or not I'm "bussing" based on meta when you have no idea on my main is also pretty lazy.

CheekyTeeky
Ausuka
singletonking
Baezu
DJ

This looks like 0 scum in the bottom 5 to me. The only possible is Baezu and I think a red flip on urap spews her town too.

-DJK

[Nero Cain]

so much salt.

[mastina]

mastina - is mastin in the game? hunh

Your fault for making 40+ pages in less than 48 hours.

Less than 24 hours, actually--the game began on Monday. I POSTED on Monday. Your post 985? Was on TUESDAY. Less than 24 hours from my post on Monday.

If I seem like I'm posting less, it aint because I haven't been around, and it aint because I'm not posting. It's because other players are spamming.

That being said.

Yes I am quite aware that I am underperforming. I'm sorry, I am struggling to really find much worth commenting on. Most of what I'm seeing is just...stuff that's not really noteworthy? Stuff that doesn't change my stances, and for the most part doesn't even reinforce them (though some content does). Most of what I'm reading is just...fluff as far as I'm concerned. Not in the sense of it being literal fluff, but in the sense of it being utterly worthless in terms of strengthening or weakening existing reads; the posts just do...nothing to change what's already there.

Which is why I adapted the readslist-as-I-go format in the first place mind you.

And even then.

My reads on the first ten pages? Changed literally every single page pretty much--not just a little, but a lot. Kinda regret not having thought of posting it for proof, because yeah that was the time they were in flux the most. The earlygame changed things much much much more than here later in the day. Because now? Now any changes are ridiculously small; there's just...nothing significant, nothing major, nothing groundbreaking, in these reads.

What I can say?

I can say that the tiers have shifted in where the town strength is.

For reference, this readslist is unchanged from my last one, but is more divided out:


RedFlavor

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Nero Cain
Almost50
Chara
RCEnigma

Something_Smart

pisskop
Flavor Leaf
Lil Uzi Vert

Alchemist21

u r a person 2

Vorkuta
CheekyTeeky

Ausuka

singletonking
Baezu

DJ



This would be a more fair approximation of my stances right now. RedFlavor's basically conftown; below that's top-tier town; the pisskop-LUV tier is highly-likely-town; Something_Smart's someone I'm not sure whether he's top-tier or highly-likely town thus why he's between the two; Alchemist isn't quite as town as the highly-likely-town which is one of the reasons why I want to masonize him; URAP I think is town but is the first I'd call "possible scum"--he's nulltown; Vorkuta/Cheeky are more nulls with the ever slightest lean scum; Ausuka is somewhere between nullscum and light scum; singleton and Baezu are both 'reasonable scum'; DJ is more 'strong scum'.

Which is a lot more stronger townreads than I began with.

And yes I know I still consider myself to have too many townreads but fuck it, too many townreads beats having too many scumreads so I'll happily accept it.

[mastina]

it's pretty ballsy to assume there are no millers and claim blind.

aparently scum were given fake claims this game. Could miller etc. be fakeclaims?

Again, scum getting fakeclaims is not Normal.

Scum can know what to fakeclaim off of information they have.

For instance, if you have an Informed Mafioso, or, sayyy, Informed Mafia Roleblocker, and the information they had was 'there are no millers in the game', then sure, they have that information to base fakeclaims off of--but that's not a fakeclaim in of itself. That's knowledge based on their role.

[DJ]

RedFlavo

r

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Nero Cain

Almost50
Chara

RCEnigma

Something_Smart

pisskop

Flavor Leaf

Lil Uzi Vert

Alchemist21

u r a person 2

Vorkuta

CheekyTeeky

Ausuka

singletonking

Baezu

DJ

Like I don't see how you have ALL of my strongest town at the bottom of your list, this is like, way below random/average for you mastina

Your list practically reads as upside down to me

-DJK

[RedFlavor]

VOTE: u r a person 2
Come at me scum!

[pisskop]

I never considered that scum may-or-may-not get fakeclaims might be a psych-out.

Unless . . .
>.>
<.<

Scum are informed that certain roles are not present via the informed modifier?

[Something_Smart]

That is what was meant by fakeclaims, yes.

[Nero Cain]

hey DJ, let's talk about your read on me?

[mastina]

- Non-town players may or may not receive "safe" "fakeclaims" in the form of

informed modifiers

(E.g. "You know that a [role] does not exist in this game").

So I stopped reading ppl based on roles.

To further educate you.

They MUST have this.

You know what that looks like in an actual game? Subject: Mini Normal 2071: Mod Topic

Mini Normal 2071

Welcome, cbynumber. You are a

Mafia

Informed

.

Abilities:

You share a private topic with your fellow Mafia,

Egix96

and

Ausuka

, where you may discuss at any time.
As a member of the Mafia, you have access to a factional nightkill - at night one of you may kill another player.

You are informed that popsofctown is a Bulletproof Innocent Child.

Win condition:

You win when the mafia is the only faction that remains or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Your private thread is here.
The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this with your role name and alignment or by posting in your private thread.

Like this.
"You know that X."
Where X is a fact that is, or is not, in the game.
"You know that role is in the game."
"You know that role is not in the game."
"You know that modifier is in the game."
"You know that there are X modifiers in the game."
"You know that these modifiers are in the game."
"You know that there are X roles in the game."
"You know that player X is alignment."
"You know that player X is role Y."

But all of these?

Not attached to the faction.
They are attached to a specific individual member of the scumteam--one player from the scumteam has the info, not the rest. Which is particularly important because scum won't have unannounced daychat per Normal guidelines unless they have an Encryptor, so a scum Informed might not have even shared their information with their scum faction if their scum PT is closed.

And all of these?
Not a mod-provided safeclaim. Just information about the setup.