BTE: Boon Wars - Attack of the Colognes

[Ausuka]

That take's pretty cold at this point.
Ok so, I had this thought at first as well and even said so to RCE actually, but it's actually not a good read. Assuming reasonable alignment sizes, apart from Alisae and their partner, there are 13 players in the game, 2 of which are otherscum. Alisae, as signalling scum, would have to literally assume that one of the other scumteam would catch it, and ONLY a member of the other scumteam would catch it. For them to be scum signalling, they would have to have not thought this through at all. Additionally, judging by the comments they made earlier, I think Alisae's reaction to rolling scum would be more like "sweet easy win let's just lynch the other scumteam then win" rather than being antagonistic towards a lot of people the way they are.

yeh opps i was just posting as i was catching up and hadnt read the rest of the thread when i saw that
so that thought (signalling too blatant) also crossed my mind, but then i thought alisae would probably be someone who would do such blatant wifom play
like there is no town motivation for trying coaching scum on their how they should play their scum game

If this is the case, what's the point of signalling at all? If you think you're going to convince the town it's all a trick, you'd obviously be convincing the other scumteam too, right?

[Irrelephant11]

VOTE: Alisae didn’t vote me or Worm after we signaled to her that we’re scum
So she clearly didn’t actually want to use it to sort

[Irrelephant11]

My activity is NAI, it’s consistent sitewide because I’ve had a busy work week and I’m always v/la weekends

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Alisae didn’t vote me or Worm after we signaled to her that we’re scum
So she clearly didn’t actually want to use it to sort

Ok walk me through a few things please.

1) how did you co-ordinate this?

2) why did you do it?

3) why do you assume that town!Ali would notice when clearly nobody else in the town noticed?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Alisae didn’t vote me or Worm after we signaled to her that we’re scum
So she clearly didn’t actually want to use it to sort

Ok walk me through a few things please.

1) how did you co-ordinate this?

2) why did you do it?

3) why do you assume that town!Ali would notice when clearly nobody else in the town noticed?

1) he didn't.
2) he is making shit up
3) he is just making a vote and making up reasons.

he isn't reading or paying attention and just threw a random vote. he might as well have said "I am just going to join the biggest wagon".

[Irrelephant11]

So yeah, thats not happening.

Agreed.

Literally no time to talk
Inspect this and find Worm’s similar post

[Ausuka]

No it makes sense as an intentional soft. I almost posted about it actually but I thought it was fairly likely to be a coincidence and didn't really want to go down the rabbit hole. It does seem to be a pretty awful vote though.

Pedit: I saw and that answers exactly 0 of my questions?

[Irrelephant11]

I didn’t coordinate anything?
Thought lookin scummy was worth sorting alisaw
I quoted HER post regarding scum working together

I can talk more in like 5 hours I’m making myself late for a thing responding here

[Ausuka]

But you sorted nothing because there's no guarantee that town!Alisae notices the soft and thinks it's not just you agreeing it's unlikely, like at all, and honestly my first thought here is that you're scum with Worm and thought Alisae was scum signalling but now realise that wasn't the case and now want to jump on the wagon :/

[Irrelephant11]

So yeah, thats not happening.

Agreed.

AGREED!!

Texting and driving is bad folks

[Ausuka]

You don't need to text and drive, please don't risk your safety for this. I saw the crumb, we can talk later.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Alisae didn’t vote me or Worm after we signaled to her that we’re scum
So she clearly didn’t actually want to use it to sort

Yes the goal wasn't to use it to sort
you're spot on
I'm confused
why did you think my intention was to use it to sort?

[insomnia]

Ok i'm finally caught up and actually have reads.

{almost50, baezu, enigma, alisae}
{davesaz, firebringer, aristophanes}
{insomnia, LUV}
{nips} - null line
{irrelephant, WORM}
{Nero}

Currently I don't really like either wagon, although I haven't done as much thinking about insomnia as I have about Alisae; I'd prefer a Nero wagon but I'd also fairly happily settle for a Irre or Worm wagon.

@insomnia: is the implication that I'm scum being manipulated into defending them by the Ali/FB team or town being pocketed? If the latter, what changed?

Latter.

Good questions, tone.

Although I consider wolves to be more careless at SoD, therefore easier to catch. So even if I make a case on your horrible entrance that doesn’t match any of your latter posts, people won’t buy it because it’s a micro read.

[insomnia]

It’s usually a gut thing anyway, but I found I had high accuracy when making such early reads.

[insomnia]

Tbh, I don’t buy the accusation on Nero with the “You’re trying to twist my words” thing where he misinterprets Alisae’s word choice into asking for a cop check. I had the same initial impression and it is an odd word choice when you know that this game has investigatives, besides, something like “You could try and sort me by asking questions” , “You could interrogate me” come off as easier to use. Sk that thing is NAI and doesn’t deserve a push.

The whole time Alisae’s been pushed it was scum frustration, which is something coming from this mentality “Yeah, I’m scum, but you guys are fucking dumb for voting me without a reason”.

90% of eir posts are concentrated on brushing off her voters by calling them trash. Barely focused on game solving.

It’s a fucking joke if we don’t lynch Alisae today.

[insomnia]

Well, rather “Yeah I’m scum, but your reasons for voting me are pretty trash”

[insomnia]

I think you're scummy because you're misrepresenting what I'm saying what I didn't say that at all.

Like A50 had a similar interpretation but he asked if thats a correct interpretation.
While I am trying to tell you its not a correct interpretation, you don't care, and you are just repeating the same point over and over again.

Take your lynch like a man because you actually just threw.

This accusation is blatant omgus, there’s no misinterpretation of anything, you said “INVESTIGATE ME”.

[insomnia]

I don’t really think it’s useless. I didn’t know Baezu and Dave preferred playing town. I now can keep that in mind while reading them and any of their past games.

I feel like anyone could write that and you would be suckered into tring it

Undercutting other people’s reads and personal experience with other players.

[Alisae]

The whole time Alisae’s been pushed it was scum frustration, which is something coming from this mentality “Yeah, I’m scum, but you guys are fucking dumb for voting me without a reason”.

no its just if people played better like Ausuka then this wouldn't be an issue
but sure dude, whatever you say

[insomnia]

{Engima, Ausuka, Relly, Ari, Baezu, Fire}

{PP, FlippyNips}
{Davesaz}

{A50, LUV, Nero Cain}
{Insomnia, Dr Worm}

Those is yellow haven't even posted yet, so how come PP/Nips are higher that dave already??

PP is town because I don’t ever see him willingly take a scum role pm, he just needs to post to confirm it for me.
Same with nips tbh
Dave because I feel like he wouldn’t willingly take a scum role pm, but I’m not totally sure where as with the names above I’m way more sure they wouldn’t willingly take a scum role pm.

And then look at this, isn’t it quite hypocritical to talk about meta reads and then you actually think we should trust your reads list?

To me it sounds like you’re trying to resuscitate lurkers into being more likely to brush off your accusers and take your side because you town read them. They will see that when they catch up.

These posts are like the ones that you can even comment on, the rest are “Huh you fucking rats that live under sewers, weaklings, how dare you vote me, autistic creatures?”

[insomnia]

The whole time Alisae’s been pushed it was scum frustration, which is something coming from this mentality “Yeah, I’m scum, but you guys are fucking dumb for voting me without a reason”.

no its just if people played better like Ausuka then this wouldn't be an issue
but sure dude, whatever you say

Take your own advice, jc are you terrible at looking town if you are one. Doing nothing, making snarky comments and avoid making reads.

[insomnia]

“If people town read me like Ausuka” is what you meant to say.

[Alisae]

The whole time Alisae’s been pushed it was scum frustration, which is something coming from this mentality “Yeah, I’m scum, but you guys are fucking dumb for voting me without a reason”.

no its just if people played better like Ausuka then this wouldn't be an issue
but sure dude, whatever you say

Take your own advice, jc are you terrible at looking town if you are one. Doing nothing, making snarky comments and avoid making reads.

??????????????
My reads are as clear as day?????????
Like are you real????????
I'm very clear with my reads atm but you're not reading my posts because you just wanna assume that I'm doing nothing because thats just waht you want to believe.

[Firebringer]

i just noticed ur avi has a milkshake in it. I thought that was a birthday candle/cake.

[Alisae]

Like fuck you
you don't actually give a shit about my alignment you just want to lynch me and that was your goal coming into the game on page 1
like fuck you and fuck off