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Oh, and it's based on him not engaging you when he was entirely absent from the game and is also one of the most notorious players on the site for the strength of his scumgame.
I don't really think he'd be scared of you as scum to the point where he'd lurk out intentionally like he did.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I may eventually vote Pine, but I don't want to see the day end soon. Haschel is definitely my runner up.In post 547, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
UR PROBABLY TOWN WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAYIn post 541, popsofctown wrote:My school didn't have hand dryers check your privilege
S_S seems too scummy to be scum in his lack of pushes. Scum often play by " I need to push anything very interesting even when I know everything every 3 pages, everything medium interesting even when I know everything every 5 pages, and even if I don't genuinely find anything interesting I need to come up with something every 7 pages", where town often play by "I'm gonna push everything that looks interesting given I don't know anything whenever it happens". S_S is failing both metrics but I think failing the former even harder. Meta might matter a lot for that it's something I might look into when I'm not v/la
I cant remember anything s_s has done this game either"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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COOL I DON'T WANT S_S ON MY WAGON ANYMORE ANYWAY.
MY DUDE JUST CALLED HIMSELF A RATIONAL THINKER AND IMPLIED I DON'T THINK RATIONALLY.
I TOLD YOU WHY PINE IS SCUM. HE PUSSYFOOTTED WITH VOTINg ME WHILE I WAS BEING RUN UP BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED TO BE THE ONE WHO POKED THE BEAR AND NOW I'M AWAKE AND ONCE I VOTED HIM AND SHOWED I WASN'T GONNA ROLL OVER AND DIE HE COMMITTED HIS VOTE INSTANTLY.
ASK YOURSELF WHAT CHANGED IN MY PLAY REALLY. HE SAYS "HE WANTED TO GIVE ME A CHANCE OT DO SOMETHING AND HE DIDN'T LIKE IT BUT NEVER DESCRIBES WHAT IT IS HE DOESN'T LIKE OR HOW ANY OF THIS MAKES ME SCUM.
HE USED SHIT META THAT IS FALSE TO INTITIATE VOTES ON ME, THEN USED HIS OWN FAULTY LOGIC TO SUPPORT HIS POSITION WHEN HE WAS CHALLENGED BY ME.
AND NOW HIS WAGON ON ME IS GONE AND HE'S SUDDENLY DISAPPEARED, HOPING HE'LL BE OVERLOOKED LIKE YESTERDAY AND I'LL FIND SOME OTHER FUCK WHO WILL ANNOY ME AND MAKE ME LYNCH THEM.
LIKE YOU S_S.
DOES THAT MAKE YOU TOWN THINKINg EMOJI
BUT YEAH FUCK YOU AND YOUR RATIONAL THINKINg I HAVE PERFECTLY VALID REASONS BASED ON PINES BEHAVIOUR FOR THINKINg HE IS SCUM.
EAT A DONGYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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IF I SAID THERE WERE SECRET REASONS NOT TO DO THE HASCHEL THING WOULD YOU BELIEVE ME?In post 551, popsofctown wrote:
I may eventually vote Pine, but I don't want to see the day end soon. Haschel is definitely my runner up.In post 547, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
UR PROBABLY TOWN WHAT ARE YOU DOING TODAYIn post 541, popsofctown wrote:My school didn't have hand dryers check your privilege
S_S seems too scummy to be scum in his lack of pushes. Scum often play by " I need to push anything very interesting even when I know everything every 3 pages, everything medium interesting even when I know everything every 5 pages, and even if I don't genuinely find anything interesting I need to come up with something every 7 pages", where town often play by "I'm gonna push everything that looks interesting given I don't know anything whenever it happens". S_S is failing both metrics but I think failing the former even harder. Meta might matter a lot for that it's something I might look into when I'm not v/la
I cant remember anything s_s has done this game either
I DON'T EVEN FULLY BELIEVE ME, BUT I HAVE THIS FEELING IN MY BONESSSSSS
AND ALSO THERE'S SCUM BLOOD TO BE SPILLED. CUT THE TREES.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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I didn't mean to imply you aren't a rational thinker, just that you hadn't given a rational argument and I'm not convinced or intimidated by caps spamming.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I feel like I've lost this round. I don't really see any path to getting my scumreads (Pops + LLD) lynched without first proving my intentions by flipping green. I'm not interested in pushing a save-myself-compromise because I have TRs on everyone else. I'll go back through some ISOs to see if I missed anything (having last minute doubts about Pops) and then take my ML like a man. It's likely necessary, though ofc not ideal."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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I've never played with Pine before, but I suspect his scumgame wouldn't be notorious if it were just "lurk and appear just often enough to drive away a wagon on you."It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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LOOK AT THIS SCUM FUCK ROLLING OVER AND DOING THAT "FOR THE GOOD OF THE TOWN" APPEAL.In post 555, Pine wrote:I feel like I've lost this round. I don't really see any path to getting my scumreads (Pops + LLD) lynched without first proving my intentions by flipping green. I'm not interested in pushing a save-myself-compromise because I have TRs on everyone else. I'll go back through some ISOs to see if I missed anything (having last minute doubts about Pops) and then take my ML like a man. It's likely necessary, though ofc not ideal.
THE RULES ARE SIMPLE FOLKS. IF SOMEONE ASKS FOR DEATH, NEVER DENY THEM.
DON'T PLAY WIFOM GAMES. DON'T OUT GUESS YOURSELF. THEY SAY THEY'RE OK WITH DYING, PROVIDE THEM THE SWEET GLORIOUS DEATH THEY DESIRE.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Yeah, I don't do that. You've played with me enough times to know that I'm a tenacious scum who doesn't even give up in Twilight, just in case there's a governor (there never is). This is disingenuous as fuck.In post 557, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
LOOK AT THIS SCUM FUCK ROLLING OVER AND DOING THAT "FOR THE GOOD OF THE TOWN" APPEAL.In post 555, Pine wrote:I feel like I've lost this round. I don't really see any path to getting my scumreads (Pops + LLD) lynched without first proving my intentions by flipping green. I'm not interested in pushing a save-myself-compromise because I have TRs on everyone else. I'll go back through some ISOs to see if I missed anything (having last minute doubts about Pops) and then take my ML like a man. It's likely necessary, though ofc not ideal.
THE RULES ARE SIMPLE FOLKS. IF SOMEONE ASKS FOR DEATH, NEVER DENY THEM.
DON'T PLAY WIFOM GAMES. DON'T OUT GUESS YOURSELF. THEY SAY THEY'RE OK WITH DYING, PROVIDE THEM THE SWEET GLORIOUS DEATH THEY DESIRE."Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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LLD, you still haven't explained why Pine wouldn't play this way as town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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V/LA until SundayIt's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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Well that's just not a very productive question. For one, it isn't theoretically-Town's job to prove beyond doubt, much less indulge hypotheticals. For another, it's theoretically-scum's job to be convincing Town, so decent scum players (and I think enough of myself to say I have a good scumgame) just plain don't do stuff that doesn't have a plausible explanation.In post 560, Something_Smart wrote:LLD, you still haven't explained why Pine wouldn't play this way as town.
A version of this would be to say "X behavior fits both Y's town and scum meta. Why is it the latter instead of the former?""Cry havoc, and let slip the wombat of war!"
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It's an extremely productive question! You can't profess confidence, let alone surety, without considering it.
LLD's argument of "Pine is scum because he did X, Y, and Z, and here's why he'd do those things as scum" is entirely uncompelling. There is nothing there to refute the claim that you would always do those things as town, or even that you'd do them 50% of the time as town which still makes you more likely town than not.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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50% Lynch rate is p good"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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No, I see what you're getting at now. This is how I should have phrased it:
I think the awkward tense just threw me offIn post 560, Something_Smart wrote:LLD, you still haven't explained why Pine is unlikely to have played this way as town.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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So go forth and show why town-Pine only behaves this way as town 29% of the time.In post 566, popsofctown wrote:50% Lynch rate is p good
...or something like that.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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If pine is town his reads are bad 71% of the time or something.
I've had people misread me in a way I found to be a town-driven thought process but this is not one of those times"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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You were going against easy targets. You think that's an unexpected thing for town to call out and say they don't like?It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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I mean again we run into the question of whether Pine is bad at playing town, again. I don't really remember him so I'm giving him average abilities in the dark so he should not read lhf farming as scummy the way D1 was played. Implosion would have been a really easy Lynch but I was genuinely unsure how he'd flip. Xyzzy was an easy target not for posting nothing alignment indicative but for posting very very little alignment indicative and what little was posted being very scummy. Its hard not to Lynch that.
I'm worried that Pine increased his confirmation bias triggers by reading this entire game at once because he wasqueueing for other games instead of playing this oneand made this BoP on him less reliable but there's not much I can do about it.
Neither of our flipped townies drew conclusions about my slot the way Pine did. Alisae's remarks were far more authentic."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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You're arguing that you were justified in using facile reasons to push on D1, meanwhile you're scumreading Pine for the facile reason of scumreading you for using facile reasons.
That made sense in my head, I swear.
Maybe a better way to put it is, you going after LHF makes you LHF as well, so it's hypocritical to scumread him for then going after you. At least that's how I see it.It's always the same. When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die. You don't know whose children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they're always going to have to do from the very beginning... SIT DOWN AND TALK!-
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