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Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:07 pm

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In post 931, Persivul wrote:
In post 930, Iconeum wrote:how lovely to see all those claimed PR's still alive
Ditto that.
In post 960, Persivul wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 928, ChibiBear wrote:
After much consideration I have decided to amend the rules:

-A player who voluntarily replaces out may replace back in
IF
I deem that such an action will not negatively affect the game. Any instance of this will be considered on a case by case basis, and will be allowed
ONLY ONCE.
A second voluntary replace out is
PERMANENT
regardless of the situation.

Liz of Liz and Jack replaced out due to an interpersonal conflict and not for any strategic reason, as such I have discussed this situation with her and have decided to allow her to return to the game. She will join the members of the existing Michael Scott hydra, which will be replaced with the hydra of Liz Jack and Kenneth.

This is a reminder to all players to please behave in a civil manner, Mafia is a game based on conflict, but there is no need to make purposefully inflammatory comments towards others.

I would also like to remind everyone of this rule:
Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.
Following this incident I will be less lenient on any replace outs due to interpersonal conflict, so please do not attempt to replace out and then back in just because the rule exists, I may not be feeling so generous the next time.

Thank you for your understanding on this matter.

The more I think about this, the more it pisses me off.

I voted Aubrey just as a reaction test. Doc is the default NK, BUT in this setup if captain is scum, that's not necessary. So, Aubrey isn't auto scum for still being alive.

Nancy being back in this game is bullshit. I do think they're scum, particularly with the zeebu flip. But this is also policy.

VOTE: Liz Jack and Kenneth

I'm done playing this game until this slot is gone.
In post 1057, Persivul wrote:This game is going nowhere with Nancy in it. Just kill them.
In post 1077, Persivul wrote:
In post 1060, Voted wrote:I am not lynching outside Datisi Iconeum.
That should be jack/aubrey. Mechanically at least one of them is scum.
In post 1079, Persivul wrote:
In post 1076, Iconeum wrote:I do but it srarts with the captain
The captain is scum. WTF makes you think they'll claim?
In post 1080, Persivul wrote:
In post 1078, Datisi wrote:
In post 1077, Persivul wrote:
In post 1060, Voted wrote:I am not lynching outside Datisi Iconeum.
That should be jack/aubrey. Mechanically at least one of them is scum.
Mechanically?
Yes. Two claimed PRs, both still alive.
In post 1082, Persivul wrote:If these PRs were both town, it would be highly unlikely that scum would let both live, even if scum have the captain. If scum have both the captain and commander it wouldn't matter, but that also is highly unlikely.
Persivul’s mechanical arguments aren’t just bad here, they are scum-motivated. Persivul’s whole narrative is that the nightkill of B&W somehow “mechanically proves” that at least one of {Captain!Datisi, Doctor!Aubrey, Follower-Lieutenant!LJK} “must” be scum because either 1) the fact that neither of the claimed PR’s died in-and-of-itself must mean that at least one of us is scum and/or 2) that Captain!Datisi is scum and is controlling the night actions to push her scum agenda. It’s a purely mechanical argument based on fallacious reasoning that allows Persivul to drive multiple mislynches without having to give actual reads on any slots. I already explained why the B&W nightkill makes a lot of sense even if all of {LJK, Aubrey, Datisi} are town in . And if you look at all of Persivul's posts on day two, all he has done is 1) talk about how it’s “BS” that Nancy came back into the game and that we should be policy lynched over it , 2) push the mechanical narrative that at least one of {Captain!Datisi, Doctor!Aubrey, Follower-Lieutenant!LJK} “must” be scum, and 3) argue that town!Zeebu implies that we are scum even though we had nothing to do with Zeebu being mislynched – a mislynch that Persivul himself is largely responsible for. That’s all he has done, and he was perfectly content to end day two early with us being quicklynched, even going so far as to say that he won’t be doing anything until our slot is lynched (). He has shown zero interest in actually sorting any slots or playing the game.

The mechanical narrative benefits scum!Persivul because it sets up an easy path to victory for him based on paranoia over both the Captain (Datisi) and the day-one-claimed-doctor (Aubrey) still being alive in lylo. He pushes our mislynch today, and then after we flip town, he doubles down even harder on the mechanical narrative in lylo to argue that at least one of {Aubrey, Datisi} is “mechanically proven” to be scum and pushes his final mislynch from that group.

Beyond all of that, Persivul’s overall play in this game is consistent with his scum meta. Persivul’s meta as scum is that he puts a fair amount of effort into fake sorting and scumhunting until he is widely townread, at which point he starts to coast and dial down his content. Up until about on day one Persivul was asking a lot of questions and engaging with people, and after that he starts to coast and maintain more of a passive presence for the rest of the day. And he has done nothing on day two except talk about how we should be policy lynched and make mechanical arguments about how at least one of {Datisi, Aubrey, LJK} “must” be scum.

Persivul is scum and his partner is either Icon or Saudade.

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Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:22 pm

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VOTE COUNT 2.05
Iconeum
(2): Voted, Iconeum
L-2

Liz Jack and Kenneth
(1): Persivul
Saudade
(1): Aubrey
Persivul
(1): Liz Jack and Kenneth

Not Voting
(2): Saudade, Datisi

With
7
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4
to lynch.

Day 2 ends in
(expired on 2019-07-13 13:00:00)

Datisi has been prodded.
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Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:57 am

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Jesus Christ what is this game. At this point I'm willing to lynch the Persi slot and see where that takes us.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:28 am

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In post 1377, Datisi wrote:Jesus Christ what is this game. At this point I'm willing to lynch the Persi slot and see where that takes us.
Go ahead and vote for Persivul then. Icon's also looking like a good candidate especially with that gross self-vote.

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Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:08 am

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Ico selfvoted again?
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Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:54 am

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prodge, I'll get back into this game soon. Trying to take this weekend, and just relax.

Hope you have a lovely weekend! :D
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Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:04 pm

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VOTE: Persival
Rawr!
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Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:58 pm

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I'd like to be the hammerer this time. Just to make sure I don't send my orders in and then some twist happens while I'm away.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:42 pm

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In post 1379, Voted wrote:Ico selfvoted again?
again?
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Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:13 am

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Gut tells me persival doesn’t flip scum. But do what y’all want. He’s behaviors seem more annoyed town than scum. I legit think he hates Nancy enough to throw that fit, and to tunnel on that notion as town. I don’t see scum cursing out the mod to push their agenda.
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Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:06 am

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Then who?
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Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:50 am

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Hey, mod, did Persivul PM you that he wants to replace, or just posted here?
I mean, I though that if he doesn't PM, it is not valid claim.
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Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:53 am

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I think Persivul is behaving differently than in other game where he was scum.
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Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:54 am

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VOTE: Saudade;
I am running out of scumreads...
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Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:40 pm

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VOTE COUNT 2.06
Saudade
(2): Aubrey, Voted
L-2

Persivul
(2): Liz Jack and Kenneth, Iconeum
L-2

Liz Jack and Kenneth
(1): Persivul

Not Voting
(1): Datisi

With
7
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4
to lynch.

Day 2 ends in
(expired on 2019-07-13 13:00:00)

Saudade has been prodded.
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Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:34 pm

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whatever

VOTE: Saudude
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Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:57 pm

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What are everyone's thoughts on the Persivul-Liz 1v1?
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Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:58 pm

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I felt Persivul as annoyed town, and Liz as the scum. However the logical argument of NK-selection is holding me back.

It's never SvS, I think.

If Saudude flips scum, that would clear Liz as well.
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Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:23 pm

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Not sure what I think about it tbh. I want to believe there's at least one scum in that 1v1. Anyway, I'll hammer this in some 8 hours, so if anyone has anything to say before we end the day, now's the time.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
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Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:18 pm

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In post 1390, Iconeum wrote:whatever

VOTE: Saudude
This is L-1 btw
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Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:20 pm

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In post 1393, Datisi wrote:Not sure what I think about it tbh. I want to believe there's at least one scum in that 1v1. Anyway, I'll hammer this in some 8 hours, so if anyone has anything to say before we end the day, now's the time.
If Saudude flips scum then Liz is cleared as far as I'm concerned. Scum!dude doesn't tunnel his buddy like that?
And I don't really scumread the AtE from Persivul.

If the dude flips town, then I'm likely back on Liz wagon tomorrow

I think it's a usefull flip.
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Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:27 pm

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We are alright with a Saudade lynch since he is in our POE. But if he flips town and we are nightkilled tonight, we expect our solve of Persivul/Icon for the scumteam to be sheeped. Don’t overthink it.

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Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:49 pm

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In post 1396, Liz Jack and Kenneth wrote:We are alright with a Saudade lynch since he is in our POE. But if he flips town and we are nightkilled tonight, we expect our solve of Persivul/Icon for the scumteam to be sheeped. Don’t overthink it.

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in what world do you think you are the NK?
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Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:52 pm

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Unless scum have control over the PR's, they are hitting either of the protective roles because having 2 killstoppers is too strong for town otherwise
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Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:17 am

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Nice
Put me at L-1 boys not scummy at all
Passion or coincidence once prompted you to say
"Pride will tear us both apart"
Well, now pride's gone out the window
Cross the rooftops, run away

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