The Mystery Box Of Silver 5: Clash of Cash death grips

[Wh4t]

Greetings friends.

Apologies for the late arrival. I will catch up soon.

[Wh4t]

wh4t is an alt not a newbie

Have I made your acquaintance?

[Wh4t]

Page 1 - Mastina, Vorkuta, Yay are likely to be town based on their entrances. TTM and Voted seem scummy.

[Wh4t]

Vorks just feeling a little scummy today. Dont mind him

This pings me.

[Wh4t]

Page 5 - Chick, Old dogs town.
Skitter possibly scum. Fusco looking slightly better with his abrasiveness.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Eleventhirty

[Wh4t]

It might be of more use to get wagons going rather than starting new ones.

[Wh4t]

I've just noticed oldogs jumped off 11:30. I'm not really a fan of any of the wagon options.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Fuscoso

[Wh4t]

I can roll with that.

VOTE: Eleventhirty

[Wh4t]

ZZZX town.

@11:30 It's general gut feelings so far. I'm still behind but will ISO people and come up with a readslist at some point.

[Wh4t]

{ZZZX, Fuscosco, Toogeloo, Old Dogs}
{The Three Musketeers, Chickadee, Zeebu, Vorkuta}
{Chemist1422, Vengaboys, Gamma Emerald}
{ElevenThirty, mastina, Voted}
{KidAmn, YAYVIDEOGAMES, NotMySpamAccount}

VOTE: Yayvideogames

[Wh4t]

Allow me to elaborate on how the list works.
I copy/paste the playerlist.
Check mod ISO.
Skim everbody's ISOs and put them where I feel their alignment is best reflected in the list.

It is a starting point for myself and remains a fluid working piece of art. I have no interest in explaining my reads, particularly town reads. That's just how I felt.

Scum reads require further interactions for consolidation at which point a case may or may not be given.

Apologies if that is unsatifactory, I do ask for some space in which to allow my style to evolve.

[Wh4t]

wh4t scum reads:

I'm offended

~ Pichu

I ask what would happen if I scum readed:

I wouldn't care.

~ Pichu

Why different reactions?

I would appreciate an answer to this YVG.

[Wh4t]

You guys know that if you didn't dig into Zeebu's slot previous owners, he could claim random roles (like survivor, which he could think that his slot claimed, since there was a survivor claim) and we could catch because of it?

Do you think he still will now that you've said this?

[Wh4t]

(seriously, choose a pronoun)

It's choose your own. I don't care.

[Wh4t]

Zeebu I'm not inspired by your rebuke of my townread on you. Do you think you've not done enough to warrant a read yet?

What do you make of NMSA's single post?

[Wh4t]

Opportunistic in what way?

His first post read awkward and LAMIST to me.

[Wh4t]

literally avoiding to do anything

This resonates with me.

[Wh4t]

Opportunistic in what way?

His first post read awkward and LAMIST to me.

Issuing town reads is lamist? Or was it the survivor part where he basically encourages people to move on from useless mech talk prior to it occuring?

What was your thought process behind pairing Videogames with two people that had no more than 5 posts? It seems like an odd pairing. It tells me that pikachu slot must have really posted some bad shit if you’re comparing them to low posters, can you comment on a few posts that made you scum read them?

I felt like NMSA crammed a lot into one post in a way that felt like he was being very careful. Giving town reads and telling people off for mechspec doesn't really convince me he is town but rather reinforces the idea that he is posturing. I'm happy to reevaluate based on your activity.

My scumreads are not related. I just felt like they were most likely to be scum because effectively all three slots have contributed nothing of substance or anything that makes me feel like they're attempting to sort the game.

[Wh4t]

VLA for a few days or until further notice

[Wh4t]

VOTE: The Three Musketeers

[Wh4t]

Dagnabbit I've lost momentum and now I feel like cruising into D2 before trying.

[Wh4t]

Here. Will catch up.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Yayvideogames

Old dogs I agree with the list except voted being town.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Yayvideogames

Old dogs I agree with the list except voted being town.

A) bad vote
B) i'm p sure voted is town

It helps if you explain.

[Wh4t]

you scumread musketeers why am i going to trust your read there

voted is vvvvvvvvv obvious town and i refuse to not see that,,

Oh sorry I didn't mean to try, I'll restrain myself in future.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Voted

[Wh4t]

Could go 11:30 too.

[Wh4t]

Why wouldn't I be alive? Serious question.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: 11:30 this is better. That push on me is so disingenuous. No sane scum team would kill lurking lynch bait over the active town players.

[Wh4t]

Rhinox wagon was {YVG, pisskop, us}?
I guess that might be a reason to townread rhinox fypov but it's not a reason to clear him as groupscum imo. I could easily see {YVG/pisskop, Rhinox, wh4t} team for example

Yeah why tf is wh4t still alive actually

-Irrel

Help me bus him then

/s

This is beyond awful reasoning and terrible reads. We just had a obvious scum heavy wagon hence no counter and they're looking everywhere but.

[Wh4t]

I think wh4t is town, relly pinged me a bit on that last page but not sure there yet

Where did I ping you?

[Wh4t]

11:30 can effectively be BoP'd as scum at this point. Any resistance should be noted.

[Wh4t]

Why can we be BOP'd? Neither of us have a notable reputation for scumhunting.

Ehhhh i do

Neither of you are as bad as your current PoE.

[Wh4t]

Why can we be BOP'd? Neither of us have a notable reputation for scumhunting.

Ehhhh i do

Neither of you are as bad as your current PoE.

If I have any specific reputation, I don't know what it is. It was at one point a rep for strong scumplay, but then I lost some scumgames. I have a good winrate as both alignments, but from my point of view the town winrate has more to do with more social parts of the game like building coalitions (I've won Coalition Mafia on D1 twice), sheeping the right players when I know they're strong scumhunters (e.g. RC, Shoshin), calling out bad reasoning for reads, etc.

I'm maybe also known for occasionally building strong scumcases, but iirc those are only actually on scum like 60% of the time (I've worked HARD to get townies lynched as town before, lol)
Speaking only for myself, and I'll vouch for this postgame, my impression of skitter is that she has above average reads, but occasionally tunnels town or townreads scum for personality reasons, and participates in mislynches when those things happen.

Anyway you're the first to ever suggest BoP'ing me and that just feels unfair because imo you can't. I'll back this up with meta later if you'd like. I don't know skitter's recent towngames well enough to know if you should be BoP'ing her, but our participation in chickadee's lynch was under my lead anyway

-Irrel

You can split hairs all you want. You can't seriously scumread most people off wagon when the lynch was clearly scumheavy.

I won't BoP you then and just say your posts aren't solving in a way I'd expect from generic town. You questionning me being alive is super silly and opportunistic.

[Wh4t]

Wh4t's push on us is entirely based on misrepresenting my posts.

Lies. You're lockscum my dears.

[Wh4t]

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

[Wh4t]

Wh4t are you caught up?

-Irrel

Nope I just read people's pushes on me better than other interactions so I'm happy trying to get you lynched at this point.

Did you read the post where I pointed out that I was referring to my frustration we hadn't lynched you yet, not the fact that you weren't nightkilled?

-Irrel

Why either way it's bad. You've been active and prominent enough to have brought it to people's attention earlier without this "frustration" act.

[Wh4t]

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

[Wh4t]

Oh lol. I'll skim Rhinox but was that dude even on the D1 wagon?

[Wh4t]

3 Musketeers is a kinda weird nk imo, if they were it;

i'll have to check who they were scumreading when i have a chance

not really a big fan of nk wifom.... You're planting an idea here but not doing the leg work on it yourself.

3M lead the chickadee wagon (and that's not really a read anybody needs to wait for a chance to check), what do you make of that?

And am I getting votes because I hammered or...? Bc that's weaksauce if so...

Yeah he hammered and scumreading him for that is weaksauce. He may have had a point about Nero earlier in his ISO.

[Wh4t]

A more townie response would be more attempts to engage me rather than "why the fuck is x still alive" at SOD.

I mean I posted "Hey wh4t come play this game" like three times before you entered this gameday, and other than tunneling YVG there wasn't much to your ISO I could have asked you about specifically iirc

-Irrel

Meh I don't know why you're defending yourself or trying to convince me you're town. I rather you give some substance for your read on me than anything.

[Wh4t]

Did Nero rep out?

[Wh4t]

Your read on us is based on "Irrel's push on me is opportunistic and bad"
Your understanding of my push on you is "Irrel thinks I am scum because I wasn't nightkilled"
That wasn't the meaning of my post. So yes, your push on me is literally based on misrepresenting the things I said, as if I said something different

Not really it's the fact that youre asking why I'm dead in such a disingenuous way.

[Wh4t]

Yeah I'm not playing your defense game. This isn't convincing me you're town but quite the opposite.

[Wh4t]

PoE isn't a scumread of substance. Scumreading me for lurking is a policy lynch ehich you're trying to make look more than.

[Wh4t]

It's rather easy fof me to go if xyz are town then abc are scum blahblah.

[Wh4t]

I mean tonewise I just don't believe you.

[Wh4t]

The Three Musketeers (Flavor Leaf, Nero Cain, Ramcius, Rosterfoster)

Ok so Nero was part of the hydra and they were killed to flip town. I dont think Rhinox scumreads then kills them unless he thinks that lynch never happens.

[Wh4t]

I don't like the way Rhinox damces around scumreading 11.30. I'm not sure what that means yet.

[Wh4t]

That's probably your most towny post so far 11.30.

[Wh4t]

Unfortunately I townslipped so you can believe I faked it but there's no reason to fake because I'm not under any serious pressure atm. *shakes head* either you suck or you're scum. I'll do you the favour of believing it's the latter.

[Wh4t]

I didn't realise Nero had died or was part of the hydra...pretty sure scum would know who they're killing? I still don't know why they died though because there was a fair bit of suspicion there. Maybe old dogs? I'll have to dig.

[Wh4t]

Man you people are dumb.

[Wh4t]

Old dogs your half ass defence looks worse than people scum reading lurkers.

[Wh4t]

Pisskop probably 3p. I agree it's unlikely town.

[Wh4t]

Rhinox should not be the lynch and hasn't creatures meta changed? If he is scum he has a shitty team since he's frozen.
11.30 still needs to die.

[Wh4t]

Yeah Creature is too confrontational to be scum.

[Wh4t]

fine
VOTE: creature
i would like to reiterate for the record that i do not believe that wh4t is town

We can visit that tomorrow. Creature today, we figure out which of {Rhinox, Wh4t, pisskop} we want lynched tomorrow.

At least one of you two potato heads is scum if my creature read is correct.

[Wh4t]

d1: vorkuta is a vanilla townien1: The Three Musketeers is a vanilla townied2: Chickadee is a vanilla townien2: insomnia is a vanilla townie

Look at these effing lynchbait lunches, and now creature or me or pisskop? Lmfao town.

[Wh4t]

Are you surprised he's avoiding it? Seems like scum are leading lunches here.

Explain dogs. I have no idea what's going on so I need some elaboration.

[Wh4t]

Oh ffs what did they claim?

[Wh4t]

Sorry but wagonomics say that's incorrect. No real counters say scumheavy. I'll VCA later have to get ready for work but yeah no. On wagon.

[Wh4t]

Vote count 2.2

Rhinox (2):

YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop

Creature (2):

insomnia, Old Dogs

YAYVIDEOGAMES (1):

Wh4t

not voting (13):

ElevenThirty, mastina, Toogeloo, Chickadee, zeebu, Rhinox, Voted, Creature

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 2 ends july 1st at 01:35 central US time; in (expired on 2019-07-17 17:45:00)

mod notes

• toogeloo is VLA today & over the weekend
  
• oh also skitter30 from the "ElevenThirty" hydra will have a notable tendency to become VLA during fridays and saturdays. Take Note!

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Vote count 2.3

Chickadee (5):

Old Dogs, insomnia, Voted, Toogeloo, ElevenThirty

Rhinox (2):

YAYVIDEOGAMES, pisskop

YAYVIDEOGAMES (1):

Wh4t

not voting (5):

mastina, Chickadee, zeebu, Rhinox, Creature

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 2 ends july 1st at 01:35 central US time; in (expired on 2019-07-17 17:45:00)

mod notes

• toogeloo is VLA over the weekend
  
• oh also skitter30 from the "ElevenThirty" hydra will have a notable tendency to become VLA during fridays and saturdays. Take Note!

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This transition is important.

[Wh4t]

Also reads right now.

zeebu
Chickadee
Old Dogs
Voted
The Three Musketeers
Vengaboys
Chemist1422
NotMySpamAccount/insomnia
Gamma Emerald
Fuscosco
Wh4t
KidAmn
Toogeloo
ZZZX
ElevenThirty
Vorkuta
YAYVIDEOGAMES

I agree that Zeebu is towny. Why did you put him as strongest read?

Because mastina is scum with Zeebu.

[Wh4t]

Mastina/Zeebu/11:30? Maybe Yay? Idk.

How is mastina still alive with all her claims and how did 11:30 miss that but complain I haven't been lynched after being on two consecutive mislynches.

[Wh4t]

Mastina/11.30/voted? Hmm. The pages of the transition make voted look pretty bad.

[Wh4t]

I am struggling with all my games. There is no pressure on me except the fake pressure Rhinox is attempting to apply.
I'm fighting a mislynch.
Another mislynch because you guys are this bad.

[Wh4t]

The whole game does not pivot on me and my reasons are not bullshit. 11.30 is scum.

[Wh4t]

Omg why haven't we lynched Wh4t is the stupidest thing someone could say after being on two mislynch wagons which says they participated in the previous wagons.
OMGUSing me was the only thing that had any real tone the rest is defensive bullshit and their solve stinks like ass.
Sure my solving is messy but I'm hacksawing trying to come up with something to say hey look this sucks I'm 90 pages behind.
THERE IS A REASON YOU ALL ARE LYNCHING LYNCH BAIT SLOTS EVERYDAY (assuming I'm lynched too because I was lurking when the push started).

[Wh4t]

i actually am good at reading

Yeah no.

[Wh4t]

VOTE: Creature