In post 694, OkaPoka wrote:could you explain exactly why my case is bad (in as few words as possible)?
The things you're calling out as scummy (early vote based on a player making the same vote twice, votes and reads usually but not always consistent with each other) are perfectly reasonable to come from townies (and there's no obvious scum gain). I don't agree that (my memory of) the read progression is unnatural.
To make a proper towncase I'll need to do a reread, and as it's 2am I should really be doing other things right now (like sleeping). I'll try to do that for you most likely some time tomorrow, but now is a bad time.
In post 683, OkaPoka wrote:Skitter ur going to need to explain how temp's actions are town motivated.
a) i don't know if they're inherently town-motivated but i strongly disagree with your premise that they're scum motivated
b) i agree with most of his stances on the game, which loosely points to him approaching the game with a town mindset, since it mirrors my own
c) i actually thought him admitting that his reads / votes contradicted each other was p townie - i don't think that scum like to be caught in such a situation, and i think that they'd tried to bluster past it and make up something to explain the discrpensy. just being like: yeah, you're right, it doesn't make sense feels townie to me, it felt like an honest window into his mindset
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
In post 689, callforjudgement wrote:I guess the OkaPoka read basically comes down to "is this bizarre behaviour more likely from town or from scum?". It seems to at least have some sort of genuineness behind it, but that doesn't necessarily imply town when the underlying behaviour is unexpected (it's far from unheard of for scum to "open their hearts", the behaviour's normally considered townish because it tends to give away too much information when performed as scum, but when the underlying thoughts are alien there's much less information being given away). My default assumption is that when I don't understand what's going on, the person responsible has more information than I do (which on D1 of a Normal almost certainly implies scum). I think your (= Firebringer's) default assumption here is different?
i feel like he's decided that tl is scum, and then found a case he could push afterwards
'skitter is fucking terrifying' ~ town-bork about scum-me
'Skitter [was] terrifying to play against ngl' ~ scum-bork about town-me
'Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead' ~ NMSA
'Skitter you're a spirit animal's spirit animal' ~ slaxx
the reason why its scummy isnt because of what you said
its solely because of lich's reads, everything else is evidence of lich's reads being bad
like you can go back to my interaction w lich, i literally proved how it makes absolute no sense for his read progression of me n firebringer ranking and he admits it
204 - eh I guess it works but it's not really an explanation. Probably the best post from firebringer.
228 - I'd say skitter is giving his thoughts as he plays, so no. At least I think this comes from town more than from scum. This is where the "skitter SR" is.
279 - I still despise that vote, and "I pretty much explained my reasoning on town!oka" seems to show unwillingness to change tbh
314 - still a "I refuse to explain my skitter SR" post
In post 273, skitter30 wrote:town: temporal lich, sleepless assassin
town side of null: cfj
null: dunn, sweetnsassy
scum side of null: firebringer
scummy: okapoka
scummy kinda but i have no idea if what he's doing is ai for him rn: the worst
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